Kamikaze Cameron.

How does that work ?

Now if Britain says no and Europe says ‘whatever’, I’m guessing his approach has completely backfired. An exercise in national stupidity, not something we should do, although we’d probably be very good at it..

Ok, so what is the alternative? allow France and Germany to micro manage our country?? effectively turning our elected leaders in EU managers! increase corporate tax, impose more austerity causing a further contraction in our domestic economy??? this is WW2 without the violence!!

So sick if this WWII analogy – don’t believe it’s accurate, or helpful.

Yet again, Cameron acted in the interest of the City, not the British people. No more democratic than your Fourth Reich.

Cameron acted in the interest of the British people and fair play to him (not like our puppet Enda Kenny), WW2 analogy is used because of the EU’s (France and Germany) desire to control our finances, the Irish people did not cause this financial crisis yet we are expected to pay for it! and to be fined if our deficit is not inline! As if the country is not experiencing enough pain!! Also the idea of a treaty being passed without giving us a referendum is completely undemocratic! (and god forbid we say no! we will be told to vote again and again until we get it right!! come on where is the democracy??)

We will be giving to option to a reduced interest rate on the Bailout for exchange for our Sovereignty!! this completely undemocratic . Niall I respect your opinion but I don’t agree with it!

And Cameron’s happy to cut government to the bone, and hand over power, as well as responsibility for service provision, to unaccountable, unelected, faceless private sector actors. The reason he vetoed came down, primarily, to shielding his mates in the City from possible regulation or a Tobin Tax.

I’m not sure that France and Germany have any particular interest in controlling our finances, I think that they just want to deal with this crisis without completely ruining the economies of the entire Eurozone. Don’t get me wrong, I’m pretty … forthright … in my opinions on the bailout, but at this point I see the solution being within the EU rather than outside. Also, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with balancing the books, so long as the political decision of how to achieve this remains a domestic one.

Obviously we’re going to disagree here, but I personally think that we have a better chance of retaining meaningful democracy and sovereignty by working within the EU than pulling out and leaving ourselves to the mercy of The Markets.

Do you suppose, Mata, that Cameron acted out of ignorance or can we surmise, as 57% of Brits appear to, that Cameron was being patriotic in putting national interest ahead of European interest. Would that Irish leaders were so patriotic!

Right, protecting his mates in the City. True patriotism.