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Sick pay proposal will affect childcare service provision – survey

Preschool and creche operators say they cannot afford to cover the cost of Minister Burton’s proposal.

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A NEW SURVEY of childcare providers in Ireland has found that the majority say they could not pay for the first four weeks of sick leave given that it involves bringing in replacement staff to cover absences.

Minister for Social Protection Joan Burton has suggested transferring this responsibility from her department to employers.

In the survey carried out by Early Childhood Ireland, almost four out of ten childcare providers would have to cut down on staff numbers if the sick pay proposal was introduced while 42 per cent said they would increase their fees to accommodate the plan.

While 97 per cent said they could not afford to pay for the four weeks of sick leave, more than half of the survey respondents said such a move would lead to them closing down their service.

According to the survey:

The average cost per service of absenteeism in the last 12 months was €2,028, with only 26 per cent of those surveyed currently paying for certified sick leave and 20 per cent paying for uncertified sick leave, with the amount of days paid varying and dependant on the employee’s individual contract and length of service.

Early Childhood Ireland CEO Irene Gunning said that the sick pay proposal “is absolutely 100 per cent wrong” for this sector and would push people out of business.

“We are alarmed that this sick pay proposal is back on the government agenda because of recent comments from the IMF that Ireland is out of line on sick pay,” she added. “This proposal is out of line and we are seeking an urgent meeting with Minister Burton to discuss the findings of our survey.”

The sick pay proposal survey was carried out last month among Early Childhood Ireland’s 3,000 members around the country, with 430 businesses responding.

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  • I am a sessional childcare provider who cannot afford to pay sick pay if it is brought in. I have 3 fantastic staff who are qualified & experienced & their wages reflect this, leaving a very tight margin at the end of the year. I had a tax audit two years ago & revenue wondered why I am still in business. My reply is that I love what we do & we can & do make the difference to young children’s lives.

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  • If my childcare providers increase its fees by say 12%,it will be the same as my mortgage !! And my bundle of joy was born in August,which means he can’t start school till he is 5 !!!

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  • Childcare providers are teachers of the early years and should have the same sick leave as primary and secondary school teachers which, if my daughter’s teacher last year was anything to go by, is very adequate!

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  • The government needs to start coping on to the fact that Childcare is more them just a babysitting service compared to other country the wage’s that Childcare Staff are payed here is a joke

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  • I worked in childcare for ten years and myself and my co workers had every illness going and were almost permanently sick. Its a combination of the long hours, the physicaliity of the work which is exhausting and spending your days in fairly crowded conditions with lots of small children. The wages are so bad and we were sick so often we couldn’t afford to take many sick days and had to go in sick most of the time. Its known as the burn out profession and I gave up when I developed chronic fatigue, haven’t had a cold or a virus since.

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    • I’ve worked in childcare for 20 years and sorry to say have heard this story only too often. Childcare providers, children and parents are being hardest hit with the short sighted policy in Ireland and the lack of funding/ supports in the early years.

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  • If this is brought in I am afraid it will put many SME’s like myself to the wall.

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  • I have worked in the early years sector for the past 20years and have seen it move from being pretty much a voluntary workforce to a highly regulated and increasingly qualified and experienced workforce. The vast majority of professionals working in the early years are on minimum wage or there abouts and if you include all the required paperwork and preparation most would come in under minimum wage as they are only paid for contact hours. Higher qualifications are being required and this is a good thing as our little citizens of today and the adults of tomorrow deserve a professional team working with them. All these costs are being absorbed by the individual with little or no additional renumeration on the horizon. There are NO MASSIVE PROFITS in this sector and enforcing employers to pay sick leave will result in closure, job loss, reduced quality and lack of quality childcare provision. The government needs to realise this is a sector in severe crisis

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  • The pay is bad but I think that a lot of childcare providers are struggling to make ends meet too. Why not put some of the stimulus jobs package money into this area, it could improve standards and wages and create some jobs for women as well as helping out struggling families.

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  • It is my belief that childcare professionals should receive the same entitlements as primary school educators – decent salaries, increments, sick pay, time in lieu for training. A person working in the childcare sector will receive an hourly rate of minimum wage – 15 euro (I would say this is top’s) at the discretion of the childcare service. They are also required to work outside of paid hours to undergo training on a regular basis. Having also worked in the primary sector for a few years, I am aware that teachers receive time in lieu and travel expenses to attend training. Maybe some of the different government agencies who work alongside the childcare sectors and provide training and advice could tackle some of these issues.

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  • Sorry Irene. You are out of line. Irish sick pay arrangements currently represent a massive subsidy to business, and that’s why you and IBEC are bleating about it.

    We are also way out of line with other countries in the state provision of child care, by the way. As in every other area of Irish life, we are happy to give welfare to business, but not to the people who need it, such as those already being hammered with mortgages.

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    • Childcare is direly underfunded in this country and what fees services get in only cover the basis. If services have to pay sick pay the cost will only have to be passed onto parents (who are already paying too much). If the government want to get serious about childcare they should have a look at the Scandinavian models where they are funded and supported properly by the government. Childcare professionals are treated very poorly in Ireland and as one of those professionals things will have to improve for the children, families and providers.

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  • This ridiculous plan will kill off many small business leaving it all open to bigger & bigger corporations to take up the slack…!!!

    This shower of Clowns are not serving Irish people they serve the Bondholders, Big Business, Themselves, Advisors and their Cronies…!!!

    The Labour party have completely sold out the Irish people, how can their backbenchers put up with this crippling of Irish Small Business knowing they will not be re-elected…!!!

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  • Having worked in community based childcare for 7 years, I could count on one hand the number of sick days I have had. The same can be said for the majority of my colleagues. I wouldn’t necessarily agree that childcare staff get sicker more often because they catch everything that the children carry in them. In our facility, staff are paid for sick leave and do not abuse this. Employment rights are in place to protect all workers.

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  • Don’t think anyone’s going to be too bothered about the childcare industry taking a hit in their profits.

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    • I’d love too see some books to see where all the money is going. Its a crippling coat on any household. and if the staff are being paid as badly as saffron says where is all the money going? insurance can’t be that expensive, there is no decent child to carer ratio. to me it seems people are seriously lining their pockets. but can every creche in a free market seriously be that full of greed I wonder?

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    • Damocles 01/08/12 #

      Bilbo, I suspect they can. The tendency in this country seems to be towards price matching (look at the supermarkets). What happened to competitive pricing?

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    • I’m sorry lads but as a manager in a “non profit” community childcare centre once wages (not fantastic), insurance, heating, telephone, rates, rent, heating, programme expenses, buying new toys/ equipment, heating, esb, prsi/ paye/ usc, staff training, waste disposal, our annual maintenance contracts for your fire, security, boilers, esb supply etc………. are paid there is very little left over- trust me as the one who is trying to help ends meet. It’s very easy to pass comment on how expensive childcare is but no one is “lining their pockets”. Childcare workers are usually on minimum wage or there about, and use their own personal “unpaid time” for staff meetings, training etc. Childcare staff usually catch sickness from working with kids (who are sent in sick) so the least they should get is sick pay. The childcare sector in Ireland is so expensive because their is so little support support/ funding from the government. As a parent too I’m all to aware of the cost of childcare and am sickened as a parent and a childhood professional the lack of thought childcare/ families are getting from short sighted government policy. Early years services don’t even get SNA for kids with additional needs but once they hit junior infants they are entitled to one. Lads next time you decide to bash someone or something please make sure your informed about the topic first.

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    • Bilbo, do the sums…take six babies under one year old and two childcare staff to comply (rightly with regulations), now deduct salaries, employers PRSI contribution, rent, rates, electricity, refuse charges, food etc…where is the profit????

      Poor salaries is only one of many issues in Ireland. We constantly point to Scandinavian countries when talking about childcare but we fail to say that 60% of staff in those countries hold a degree in early childhood and that the rest are either undertaking training or hold other qualifications. This is in stark contrast to Ireland, where the statutory requirement is that ‘a suitabl and competent adult’ must work with the children…it is time for an open and honest debate about childcare in Ireland

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