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Court rules against fire service cuts but union pledges vote on industrial action

The Labour Court ruling blocking proposed cuts in Dublin Fire Brigade this year has been welcomed by two unions but another plans to ballot members on possible industrial action.

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THE LABOUR COURT has ruled that Dublin Fire Brigade (DFB) cannot make anymore cuts this year beyond the €3.5 million already agreed with two unions but another group representing firefighters still plans to ballot members on possible industrial action.

Dublin City Council had been looking to cut a further €1.7 million from its fire brigade budget for 2011 by ending staff overtime, closing its training centre, and reducing annual leave, as first revealed by TheJournal.ie.

But the SIPTU and IMPACT trade unions, representing firefighters and paramedics in Dublin, argued that this was in breach of the Croke Park Agreement on public sector pay and conditions.

Their view was backed up by a Labour Court ruling yesterday following a hearing last Friday.

However, the Irish Fire and Emergency Services Association (IFESA), which claims over 500 firefighters and paramedics in Dublin as members, has said it still intends to ballot its members on possible industrial action because it believes the problem has not been resolved by this ruling.

A spokesperson for IFESA told TheJournal.ie today:

We still plan to begin a postal ballot of members next week as around the country cuts are still planned in the fire service. The problems haven’t gone away, they’ve only been deferred.

We deem this problem to be of such a serious nature that the lives of firefighters and citizens of Ireland will be at risk until real reform takes place in Irish fire service.

Dublin Fire Brigade claimed €1.7 million worth of cuts were necessary in order to meet a budget shortfall this year but SIPTU and IMPACT, the only two unions to hold official negotiating rights with DFB, argued against this and brought the dispute to the Labour Court.

In its ruling, the court stated: ”In these circumstances it is clear that the City Council are precluded by the terms of the (Croke Park) Agreement, which it concluded in June 2011 from unilaterally implementing additional employment related cost savings in 2011, beyond those provided for in that Agreement.”

Dublin Fire Brigade has indicated that much deeper cuts must now be sought in 2012 as a result of the ruling.

SIPTU, which claims 406 firefighters and paramedics working in the capital as members, welcomed the decision but warned against “kicking the can down the road” :

We are prepared to enter talks on savings for 2012, but it would be unacceptable if Dublin Fire Brigade seek to merely kick the can down the road with regard to the €1.7m.

We also caution management in considering any reckless actions such as withdrawing fire appliances from circulation. This would only lead to a situation which would compromise the safety of both the population of the greater Dublin area and indeed that of fire fighters.

We are committed to the Croke Park Agreement and accept that the next number of years will be challenging for the public service including the Fire Brigade, but we must insist that fire fighters through their representative union are involved in shaping change.

IMPACT, which claims 212 members from DFB, also welcomed the decision and said “it proves how effective the Croke Park agreement is in solving what might otherwise have been an acrimonious dispute.”

In concluding, the Labour Court chairman Kevin Duffy urged both sides to commence negotiations on savings to be achieved in 2012, “as soon as practicable.”

IFESA anticipates a result from its ballot of members by the beginning of October. It has not ruled out possible strike action.

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Comments (17 Comments)

  • All firefighter/paramedics are creaming it in all right Gary , they have the country in the state its in because they were giving money to buy property that was over priced just to make a fortune ….OH sorry that was the banks and government , must of forgot my second job is a bank manager and don’t know how to spend my bonus for doing a terrible job…get a grip Gary

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  • Fingal 06/09/11 #

    It’s hard not react to stupid comments. Judging by his twitter profile "Gary" is obviously young, immature and uneducated. As my colleagues have already stated, not all firefighters have second jobs, and those that do aren’t working extra days and nights away from their family’s for the craic. They are doing it to put food on the table and pay a mortgage. To make up the money that has already been cut from our wages through various means. My gut tells me that little Gary knows little of either hard work or paying a mortgage. Education of the ignorant aside, the main article does have some serious points. More pain is coming in 2012 and we have to be prepared. People outside looking in will see this as all about overtime, to those that do I say this, overtime in the DFB ensures a minimum manning level, so that when the bells go we respond with a full fire crew, not a reduced one. So when we arrive at your house we have enough crew to get you out and do it safely. Everyone needs to contribute in this difficult time, it’s my humble opinion the firefighters, paramedics, Gardaí, nurses and the rest of the public sector who are keeping this country going have given more than their fair share. it’s time for those that caused this mess to carry the can.

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  • As stated by my colleagues this has nothing to do with the cut in wages or what we earn etc.

    This is simply about protecting peoples lives ,YOUR life and OUR lives as Fire Fighters.

    I enjoy what I do as a Fire Fighter and I also enjoy going home to my family ,don’t take this away from me,my colleagues or yourselves with these cuts to the Irish Fire Service.

    Time is a precious commodity, and it waits for no one. When lives are on the line, seconds count. Fractions of seconds count.Few individuals in our lives better understand the importance of time than the men and women of the Irish  Fire Service . Highly qualified public servants, trained to handle crises affecting both people and property – often simultaneously.We are the professionals in our area.
    We are highlighting to you the public what effects these cuts will have to you the citizens we serve.
    Its that simple you will either take in what we are saying or ignore it and move on.Only to remember when the time comes when you need us ,that we aren’t their in time to save your loved ones or your property.Its to late then.

    These cuts will put the lives of Fighters and the community we protect at risk.The decision by the Labour Court has only deferred the cuts. The spirit of The Croke Park agreement was to deliver a better public service to the citizens of Ireland. IFESA believe this can be done and look forward to improvements in service delivery in the Fire Service. Croke Park should not be used as a means to implement cuts on essential Public Services. Certain services provided by public servants need to be protected and financing ring fenced.

    IFESA are calling on the cuts to the fire service to STOP and for the reforms to the Fire Service to Start.
    Its that simple, there is a simple better solution out there.IFESA is calling on the establishment of a National Fire & Ambulance service for Ireland.This move alone will save millions.

    In relation to Dublin IFESA have been calling for the recruitment of Fire Fighters for over a year now.This shortage has been going on since 2009.Since then apx 200+ Fire Fighters have retired or left the service alone in Dublin.This has left a shortage of Fire Fighters to man the Fire Engines.This shortage has been picked up by overtime,this is not a viable long term solution.

    The recruitment moratorium does not exist for the Fire Service.Minister Phil Hogan has stated this.But many Local Authorities around the country do not have the money to recruit the needed Fire Fighters.But you will see that DCC still had the money to recruit 3 engineers in August as per national ad in newspapers.Their wage would have covered the wages of apx 12 recruit FireFighters in dublin.They were obviously much needed.

    We work in Dublin a 42 hour week with the time from 39 hours > 42 hours being paid back with 24 hours in leu every 2 years.So for the 312 hours every 2 years we work over 39hours a week we get in leu 24hrs back yippee!!

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  • It’s hard not react to stupid comments. Judging by his twitter profile "Gary" is obviously young, immature and uneducated. As my colleagues have already stated, not all firefighters have second jobs, and those that do aren’t working extra days and nights away from their family’s for the craic. They are doing it to put food on the table and pay a mortgage. To make up the money that has already been cut from our wages through various means. My gut tells me that little Gary knows little of either hard work or paying a mortgage. Education of the ignorant aside, the main article does have some serious points. More pain is coming in 2012 and we have to be prepared. People outside looking in will see this as all about overtime, to those that do I say this, overtime in the DFB ensures a minimum manning level, so that when the bells go we respond with a full fire crew, not a reduced one. So when we arrive at your house we have enough crew to get you out and do it safely. Everyone needs to contribute in these difficult time, it’s my humble opinion the firefighters, paramedics, Gardaí, nurses and the rest of the public sector who are keeping this country going have given more than their fair share.

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  • For balance, are there any firemen willing to say, and I mean honestly, how much they earned in 2010?

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    • Wouldnt have it to hand but all public salaries are available online. Not sure what you mean by balance, this is not about wages, we are willing and have been willing to take the cuts like everyone else. This is about saving the services we have before they are gone forever and firemen and civilians start to lose their lives because of it.

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    • I don’t see what 2010 earnings has to do with anything? For a start 2011 wages are down from previous years. I don’t see your P60 up here for “balance”.

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  • Why are they having a vote on industrial action? The court has ruled that the cuts can’t be made. This is what they wanted. Hopefully firefighters will be clever enough to vote against striking. It seems like the union just wants to stir things up.

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    • The industrial action is because Dublin City council have simply deffered these cuts until January. These cuts will see less firemen on the trucks, and less trucks on the road, and this is going to result in loss of lives, make no mistake about it. We are not looking for more money or anything extra for ourselves, we are simply looking to maintain a safe work environment and maintain the Emergency services that Dublin’s citizens and visitors need and deserve

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  • It’s ridiculous that we are paying anyone in the public sector for overtime. Either hire more people or give people time off in lieu. There shouldn’t be a cent paid in overtime in any publixc sector job given the state that we’re in right now.

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    • Dead right Keith. The reason there is overtime in Dublin Fire Brigade is because there are minimum manning levels on every fire engine. With people retiring, or emigrating to find a better life, there isnt enough firemen to man the trucks. There is currently a ban on recruitment in the public service (although as far as I know it is at the minister’s discretion in certain circumstances), and the only way to make sure there is enough firemen on each truck is to use overtime. It would be cheaper in the long run to pay the initial costs of recruiting new staff than to continue using overtime as a solution but it seems the powers that be cannot see the wood for the trees

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  • gary 06/09/11 #

    they should cut there wages,they,re all double jobbing and creaming it in

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    • Is that so Gary, WE ARE ALL double jobbing ????? I’m a firefighter in Dublin for the last 9 years and have only ever been working as a firefigher, I’ve seen my wages drop by over 30%, we have firefighters who are in need of financial help on a devistating level, and can hardly keep the house over their heads, and you want more cuts in our wages, and while we fight to keep our houses you want us to run into yours if and when needed to save your home and family, for more wage cuts ? Cope onto yourself

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    • Id like to know where you are getting your info from Gary. I for one am a full time firefighter/paramedic with Dublin Fire Brigade and I DO NOT have a second job, like most of my colleagues. I have taken savage cuts in my wages over the last couple of years and am just about making ends meet, thankfully.
      The same can not be said for everyone. Alot of Firemen in Dublin are struggling to put bread on the table with some being assisted by their workmates holding collections in the stations.

      Get your facts straight please before you come on here hiding behind a picture of a cat, shooting your mouth off

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    • The ex secretary General to the Government Dermot McCarthy received a package of €713,000 when he retired earlier this year. He will be getting a pension of €142,670 per year for the rest of his life.

      Now if you want cut backs that is the type of parasite you should be going after rather then front line staff such as firemen, Garda and nurses.

      BTW I am not employed in any of the above jobs.

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    • Gary you are an idiot . !!! Fire fighters are incredible people and they do a very worthwhile job .They are a group of men and women who deserve every penny they earn and more . Their wages should never be touched .

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  • I thought it was a simple question to be honest with you. By ‘balance’, I wanted to give some perspective to the comments being put up stating that there are fire fighters who are in financial trouble forcing them to work a second job.
    For the record, I am a procurement manager for a private sector logistics company and I earned â

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