They don’t want to legislate because any new legislation regarding pay would prove to the populace that politician’s pay can also be subject to new legislation .

Will the weasel hayes and his dail eireann natives be taking a paycut
Will they be giving up there expenses , handsome pensions ,
The country actually needs more frontline staff , not less ,
What is does not need is layer upon layer of mgmt , layer upon layer of councillors , mayors county managers , not to mention 166td,s

You want to save a billion hayes there you go start above

every person on this island struggling to meet their bills should be right behind the frontline public servants ……………….
We have no more to give .

I get threatened on a fairly regular basis in my job, I see this as just another threat. I and my colleagues have never backed down in the face of any threats yet, what makes this Government think we will back down now? Let them legislate….and deal with the consequences.

The great majority of unions around the table are those who represent the 9-5 Monday to Friday staff and the unions mantra is protecting core pay which is what the 9-5 staff pay is , when the government go after the night/weekend/bank holiday allowances that they are clearly intending to do, frontline staff should only offer there service 9-5 Monday to Friday, sure we’re not that important anyway and we’ve been constantly told the country is broke so we’ll do our bit and work reduced hours no more of them nasty night/weekend/bank holiday payments anymore for the people of Ireland to pay. I’m really looking forward to having St. Patrick’s day off now

“deal with the “systematic problem” that existed”

Jesus Hayes. Look in the mirror first will ya?

The proverbial shit is going to hit the fan . The Countrys broke no cash for Frontline services that’s it. The final realization of Austerity is on the way.Hayes and his buddys are so deep into the LIE there is no going back and this country will be decimated by next election .Remember its only the start of 2013 .The coalition Government is good at one thing Buying Time with false promises and Making the Country worse whilst doing it.We laughed at Greece we will see who’s laughing by 2016 .The top 10% of course and no one else.Keep throwing your taxes into an Armani Pocket and expect services not in the nature of a Central Banker im sorry.

That big hedge fund guy in America won’t be happy about these developements. He bought up a massive amount of Irish debt in the hope that the passive sheep we clearly appear to be the last 4yrs would continue. His continuing happiness is paramount to Brian Hayes & his cronnies. This could be the start of the fight back. I support you frontline staff.

Well Brian (I don’t answer questions) Hayes bring it on. Introduce your legislation to cut frontline pay. But you have been warned if you exclude pay and pensions of other civil & public servants your legislation will end up in the Supreme Court. I hope this happens for the following reason.

I would love to see a Barrister paid for with the Irish Citizens money stand up in a Irish Court on behalf of the Government and defend pay cuts to nurses, doctors, gardai & firemen etc, and then explain how they can exclude other working & retired civil and public servants from the same pay / pension cuts especially TD’s & Senators unvouched expenses.

Bring it on Brian, for you will find you will have to answer to us, the Citizens of Ireland.

Is Brian Hayes an economic & political illiterate?? Or is BULLYING now acceptable?? Here’s a message for u “Hayes” & ur Government cronies.. U bring this legislation in & it will be the “Rock” this country perishes on!! Frontline 24/7 workers WILL NOT be dictated to by u.. I pay ur wages!!!! U pompous, arrogant, inept excuse of a member of Dáil Éireann!! How dare u threaten us!

The FG/Lab coalition have already voted against a SF motion to tackle the poitical gravy train they will protect themselves at any cost,disgracefull contempt for the irish workers and the state of our economy

well ill be relying on the ould “legitimate expectation” defence that theyve trotted out as reasons not to cut politicians salaries, pensions etc if they go near my paltrg 25k

it should be a straight cut across the board. i don’t know why this isn’t done. i am a civil servant and don’t see why some public servants are going to lose money and others are not. i really hate to be so cynical but could it be that a straight cut affects everyone top to bottom including the politicians. really don’t see the point in just targeting one sector and especially our hard working nurses which in my opinion are not paid enough anyway. as someone has already said why are they tinkering with stupid little things. also every pay rise that we got over the years was automatically passed onto public sector pensioners but now they’re on a higher scale to us.why weren’t they cut. it’s all a load of crap

The ball is rolling now, this government does not have the balls for this fight. The majority of frontline workers now are not fighting for wages they are fighting to stay afloat. We have nothing left to lose. Bring it on….

Typical ! Bring in an unjust law to try and cow down the natives ! Ha ha well that aint going to work . Were you not watching the live link to the Basketball stadium it was packed , and it was packed by the elite workers too, who usually gave in to government demands.

I think Mr Brian Hayes with the threat of legislation regarding public service pay is about to open the door civil unrest which might open the eyes of the government and not mess with the gamekeeper

Is he the best they can roll out?

FG just don’t get it . If they want to stop Saturday/ Sunday allowance to our front line workers then the front line workers won’t work these days . Simple .

As was said yesterday Northern Ireland Fire Service . 1 Chief Fire Officer 2Assistant Chief Fire Officer’s 40 Civilian staff overseeing 2000 front line firefighters.

We have 30 Chief Fire Officer’s 375 Assistant Chief’s 700 Civilian staff overseeing approximately 3400 front line firefighters.

I wonder where we can make savings.

24% paycut .. 29000 cut in 2 paye household 45,000 since 2009! Unacceptable!

So it’s election time then, the journal should run a poll on who would you vote for in an Easter election 2013

Let them legitise then we know how much the government thinks each grade should be cut ow much they are willing give how much of a decrease they will impose on their advisors the unions have no business agreeing more cuts
Since the government are going to impose the cut anyway

Start at the top minister

Well minister I guess it’s time to stop your talk and just legislate. But you should remember that the legislation that you do introduce better be fair and equitable to every single civil servant right across the board. You won’t get it so easy as to just pick away at the salaries of those who are on the coal face 24/7. Legislate wisely my friend as the highest court in the land and, in fact further afield in Europe, will scrutinise every single letter of the bill. It will most certainly be challenged if it is duly unfair to a particular minority of public sector workers.

Our contracts are good to 2014.. We paid for that right with 14,000, Pay cut… Now the gloves are off and we are 75,000 strong… Legislation must be fair and equitable
The plan- first negotiate; second industrial action; third modified wildcat action; , 4th full wildcat strike with agreement from all union members!
I’m ready to implement this plan now!
No way should I be paid less for non-social working hours on the new agreement!
Another 10.6 is unacceptable!
Junior minister your job is gone anyways.. You’re just a scapegoat from your EU Muppet leaders…
There is so many ways to continuously improve and save money..
We have done that but every time frontline tries to change the processes in our management systems which are cost effective and proactive the ministry of health tries erects another hospital or spends millions on relocation contracts which is just reactive!
The 80/20% for improvement has reversed and 80/20% is being spent due to the government fiscal spending and not by frontline staff!
There is no easy fix here but it’s not non-social working premiums!
Again forced 2 week bulling politics for negotiations.. Unacceptable….
This Gov has lost my vote for even trying to break my contract!

All of this cuts is pure FG, where is labour in all this. FG are the PDs with a different name. God help us.

This is not about Michael Collins! This is about our lives, our families, our community, our society and our constitution!

Stick it to the man!

Fianna Fail are going to walk into a majority in the next election.

All they have to do is promise to borrow a few extra billion a year on top of the existing borrowings, and then they can then pay everyone what they think they deserve. simples.

Michaelcollinsghost – Sure doesn’t Pat Kenny work about 10hrs a week for 600k. If you take out the ad breaks, news bulletins, sports bulletins etc, sure he must only work 7 or 8 hours in the week.

I wonder how many front line public sector workers voted for Fine Gael?
Voting for FG is like voting for the Tories. Cuts, cuts cuts.
Same with FF. They are right wing parties.

What did you all expect, electing almost 100 of them?!
Vote for a left wing party next time or this stuff will just keep on happening.

Latest Updates on Croke Park Extension Talks

Croke Park Extension Talks – News Update 9. 19.02.13
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24/7 Frontline Services Alliance –

National Rally attended by over 4,000

Attention All INMO Members

Dear Colleague

As you will undoubtedly have seen, from the very significant media coverage, last night’s rally (Monday, 18th February 2013), organised by the 24/7 Frontline Services Alliance, was attended by over 4,000 members. The rally saw nurses, midwives, gardai, prison officers, and other frontline staff come together to demonstrate their outright opposition to any attack upon their existing income.

The rally saw contributions, from each of the five organisations, together with numerous contributions, from ordinary frontline members, all of them reiterating that they simply cannot afford cuts to their pay.

The campaign now continues with the following immediate steps:
• nationwide lobbying, of all TDs and Senators, highlighting the total inequity, arising from the government’s current approach, and, in particular, their proposed attack upon premium pay; and

• a joint meeting of the Executives, of each of the five organisations to agree further steps.

Further updates will issue, with regard to the campaign, in the coming days.

However it is now imperative that every member phone, email, or directly contact, their local TDs and Senators to tell them the 24/7 Frontline Services Alliance is determined to protect the existing income of its members.

Public Service Pay Talks:

The public sector pay talks continue today, Tuesday, 19th February 2013, with a further meeting in the health sector, between management and unions, including the INMO.

Today’s meeting continued to exchange information, with regard to the expenditure in the area of premiums, but the INMO consistently reiterated its position that existing pay rates cannot be reduced.

The talks are continuing this afternoon but no major developments are expected.

The INMO, together with the Irish Medical Organisation (IMO), has requested, an early meeting of the full trade union team involved in the talks process. This is to allow for a detailed debate on the issues that have arisen, in the talks to date, and in particular, the management side’s continued demand for a reduction in premium pay rates and the union side’s collective response to this. It is expected this meeting will take place within the next two days.

As always further updates will issue on an ongoing basis and please distribute this news update all around your workplace.

Finally please lobby your local TDs/Senators starting immediately.

Yours sincerely

LIAM DORAN

General Secretary

How do you change your pic on this website??? Sorry for changing the subject

Another back room con job strapped onto the backs of the vast majority of workers in this state who are conveniently not covered by this agreement but will yet be paying through the nose for it.

How in the name of all that is serious, this government actually appears to believe that a 14 billion Euro a year deficit, or a 1.2 billion a month cash liability over income, can be tackled by tinkering around with a Sunday premium and a few allowances, is something you would only expect to see in a Father Ted episode.

The reality is that a pay adjustment in the order of 10-20% is needed and our public sector workers will not agree to that no matter how it is bundled up, so impose the cuts and lets get on with it and lets stop deluding ourselves that we can solve this by taking away an allowance for a pair of boots and fiddling a bit with the Sunday overtime.

There is no point in these talks continuing, the pay has to be cut and people in the private sector, 500,000 of whom took the ultimate pay cut when they lost their jobs as the public sector unions hid behind the protection afforded to them by the Croke Park Agreement, have no appetite whatsoever ever now for this talk of strikes, when the wheels have now completely fallen off the rotten & selfish deal they previously stupidly signed up to.

The government are only messing with peoples heads by pretending that this issue can be ultimately dealt with by tinkering at the edges of Sunday pay and asking Gardai to buy their own boots. You can’t sort out a 1.2 billion a month problem by asking Gardai to buy their own boots and fiddling a bit with their Sunday pay rate, so why sit in talks with people and pretend that this is how affairs are going to be conducted?

The only point that public sector workers have made that is valid is that they should not be facing pay cuts when those in government are still creaming it with unvouched expenses and are still on completely unrealistic salaries.

This country started coming under attack 4 years ago and the public sector climbed into their Croke Park bunker and pulled the drawbridge up behind them, so good luck to you guys now if you think you are getting any support from me or others in the private sector when you selfishly signed up to a corrupt & unsustainable pay deal that the rest of us got handed the bill for.

@PaulJones Paul what drugs are you on? Was your pay not protected for the last number of years? Was the whole country imagining that pay for the public sector was protected under the Croke Park Agreement? I’ve a mate who is a teacher who works a 18.5 hour week and is on a 55K a year salary, could you be any more protected than that?

On what parallel universe does a guy who is getting paid 55K a year for putting in an 18.5 hour working week (that is when he is not on a 3 month summer holiday!), actually believe, and then try to convince other people around him, that he is in fact poorly paid? Seriously, snap out of it, and by the way, I’m not your “buddy”.

@JasonBourne One thing about Michael Collins is that he knew the value of money and didn’t tolerate waste and he wouldn’t have tolerated for a second, money being wasted and píssed about all over the place like it is in this country, for the purposes of pandering to and appeasing what are probably the best paid public servants in the western world, who have deluded themselves that they are under some sort of an “attack” and that they are poorly paid. Our public sector workers are not poorly paid, that much is certain.

@YouDontKnowMe This is the default cry now of our public congregation, if you don’t subscribe to the cult like “group-think” that is clearly going on within the public service, and if you genuinely believe that it is not right that people on salaries of anywhere between 40K-100K, typically people who are on incomes of 50-70K a year, should really not be complaining about their remuneration at the moment, and if you say that you genuinely have an issue with things like automatic pay increases that get rewarded to everyone, regardless of an individuals performance for a 12 month period, then you get attacked as a “troll”, or as being ignorant.

Come back here and tell me why someone who isn’t performing in their job (and there are plenty of them in the public sector just as there are in the private sector), gets the same yearly increment as someone who is outperforming in their job? Why should someone like that have a job for life, in the case of a teacher, someone who can embed themselves in the system like that for 30 odd years, as is currently the case, can ruin & destroy the education of many children over the lifetime of their career? I’ve seen teachers in this country who should never have been let near a class room, we all have, yet the system, as operated and basically owned by the unions and by their members, has selfishly and wrongly protected these people for decades, because they have their “CID” and are untouchable.