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Councillor seeks defibrillator training for Gardaí

Gardaí say they have suspended a defibrillator pilot programme in Blanchardstown and are evaluating a pilot in Kilkenny.

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CLARE COUNCILLOR PAUL O’Shea has called on the Department of Justice to provide training in the use of heart defibrillators to Gardaí.

O’Shea told TheJournal.ie that a committee in Ennis had recently purchased two machines and placed them in the middle of the town.

He said he offered use of the defibrillators to local Gardaí and was “astounded to find out that front line Gardái have no training” with the machines.

“I always assumed the Garda traffic corps were equipped with one because on a motorway they could be the first on the scene of an accident”, he said.

The Clare Red Cross are offering free training in the use of the machines and have extended this offer to local Gardaí.

A spokesperson for the Clare Red Cross said when a person goes into cardiac arrest, if a defibrillator is used in the first five minutes, there is a 90 percent chance of bringing the heartbeat back to normal and after that the chances reduce by 10 percent every minute.

The Garda Press Office said pilot programmes with defibrillators have been rolled out in Blanchardstown and Kilkenny since 2006. The pilot in Blanchardstown was suspended as ambulances were reaching the scene before the Gardaí in most cases and the machine in Kilkenny has been used just three times since 2006.

Gardaí said they were evaluating the pilot in Kilkenny but added that all members of the Regional Support Unit and the Emergency Response Unit have been trained in the use of a heart defibrillator.

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Comments (32 Comments)

  • The machine in Kilkenny was used JUST 3 times since 2006?

    3 times seems to me to completely justify their use.

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  • You mean they don’t have it already? They should. Especially in rural areas where in most cases the Gardaí are the first people on the scene

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  • Brilliant Idea.

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  • i really would have thought all gardai would be trained to a dfib. its very easy to operate once you know how. first aid in general should be thought in schools. the red cross do fantastic work in educating people in first aid.

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    • Sorry religion takes precedence in schools, learning & life skills are further down the list because OFFICIALLY according to the Dept of Edu rulebook Religion is the most important subject.

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  • pagan 08/08/12 #

    The airport police in Dublin are fully trained to use defibrillators and they and the airport fire service have been awarded by the American heart foundation for the amount of lives they have saved using defebs.

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    • Aha ha ha ha, thats the best joke all day!

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    • The Joeys are only security guards not police…

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    • Dublin Airport is officially recognised as the best (out of hospital) place in Ireland to suffer a cardiac arrest should you be unlucky enough to suffer one. Their success rate is fantastic and it is purely down to having plenty of defibrillators around the airport and plenty of staff trained to use them

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    • You obviously haven’t experienced first hand medical treatment from the DAA ambulance service, 9 times out of 10 its a Dublin City Fire Brigade or Ambulance that tends to people on scene

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    • Well Aaron I probably have more experience of Dublin’s EMS services than you might think.
      The whole point of CPR/AED is that it’s done early by trained persons. The reason the airport are seeing such good results is because staff right across the DAA are trained up, and you are never very far from a defibrillator, you would not have to wait for the ambulance to arrive. The airport fire service have only one ambulance and if it’s busy with another patient obviously DFB/HSE ambulances will be called next. DAA fire service paramedics receive the same training as every other paramedic in the country and operate to the same standard.

      The main thing about AED use is anyone can do it once trained, i.e Gardai, which service transports you to hospital is not really relevant.

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    • Aha ha ha thanx for the Steve! I dont doubt about the De-Fib machines as I see them all over the Airport everday, as for the experience of the Ambulance Service and Airport Police is very questionable, I wouldnt like to leave my life in their hands after the situations ive experienced with them

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    • That’s a pity that you have had bad experiences. I don’t work in the airport and I’m not sure how it works but I presume there is an avenue you could go down to make a complaint?

      Anyway I’m sure there are countless people who are very happy with the services in the airport, especially those who were saved from certain death by a member of staff with a defibrillator

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    • Regardless of people’s personal opinion on the actual standing of the members of the Airport Police Service the DAA has proven by equipping its police officers with Defibs in their patrol cars & at static posts it has led to a dramatic increase in number of life’s been saved.

      It’s a shame our national police force the Gardai will never be able to emulate this and see such a roll out of these AEDs in their patrol cars with all the cost cutting taking place. The benefit to the community should outway the cost.

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  • what a great local politician! If it wasn’t for him we would have head shops all over county Clare. He was the one who organised protests in Ennis. My son was severely addicted to legal highs, and now thanks to Paul O’shea he is recovering. keep up the work O’Shea!

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    • cracking comment there, I thoroughly agree with that thought of yours Miss O’Shea. I also support the Great work of Mr.Paul O’Shea, under so much pressure from all angles but he comes out a winner every time, My sister suffered terribly due to her frequent visits to the head shop, because of Mr.O’Shea’s efforts, her head is cured and she is back to her usual self, I am so impressed by all his great work in supporting the town of Ennis and improving co Clare on a monthly basis. You GO O’SHEA!!!

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  • Most fire engine carry them and are never called in towns around the country ,and and we’ll trained to use them but costs costs that what it comes down to

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  • Won’t taser guns achieve the same end?

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  • Education, these things should be in the School and volunteers could teach it. Do away with half days on wednesday, teach them first aid and Driving theory. Speaking Irish wont get you a job in Google, save a life and make you able to drive or neither would saying a prayer! But of course, the Irish have their priorities right!

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  • I agree with you guys. My local paramedics hadn’t got a clue how to put out my chip pan fire last week, and don’t get me started about the three firefighters who came after my house was burgled, they hadn’t a clue how to take fingerprints. Something must be done. Won’t anyone think of the children!!!

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  • So, you call the Gardai in the early hours of the morning because you hear someone downstairs in your home, but the local Gardai are on their way to a heart attack victim, which of course, would have to be the priority, because its life or death. So, you lock your door and pray they don’t come upstairs. Community first responders on bleeper would seem to be the way to go, especially in rural areas which could be miles from an ambulance base. They could be given a small allowance for answering calls.

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  • A new interegation method?

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  • I arrived on a RTI scene St. Patricks weekend before the guards, when they arrived I asked them for their first aid kit, they didn’t have any the female guard took control of the scene and set about trying to find out what speed the vehicles were doing when they came off the road (sudden hail storm – ice formed on road was to blame) she didn’t care about possible injuries even though they have radios and can inform medical and rescue staff… guarda first aid, scene safety, security of injured was and still is a joke. we have a guard who lives locally who attended a CPR AED with myself for local first responder. he hasn’t received or being offered any first aidder beyond basic level during his recruitment training.

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    • Firstly alot of Gardai have funded their own first aid/CPR/AED training out of their own pocket.

      Second , like it or not the guard at the scene of that accident was there to investigated the cause and having no received training in first aid or been supplied with a first aid kit I dont she how she could do anything else.

      Third I would bet everything I own that there was an ambulance on route because as you were first at scene and are first aid trained I’m sure you would have called an ambulance. Her radio would not have made any difference in this case.

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  • So they beat you to death in a cell, revive you, then beat you to death again, then revive you then…

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  • Something seriously wrong if they havent been shown already or do they get lessons in how to lick 99s while their on duty and do their shopping in Tesco also ahead of important first aid training?

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