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German commissioner insists he doesn’t support ‘half-mast’ idea

Gunther Oettinger says lowering the flags of “default sinners” is an idea already out there – and that he didn’t say he supports it.

Gunther Oettinger: not a fan of the green jersey, apparently.
Gunther Oettinger: not a fan of the green jersey, apparently.
Image: Geert Vanden Wijngaert/AP

Updated, 12.31

GERMANY’S EU COMMISSIONER has insisted he does not support the idea of having the Irish flag, or that of other bailed-out countries, lowered to half-mast across the European Union.

Gunther Oettinger discussed the idea with Germany’s biggest-selling newspaper, Bild, saying the idea that “default sinners” having their flags lowered would be a significant act of symbolism.

Irish politicians have lined up to criticise Oettinger’s remarks, but this morning the German – who is in charge of implementing EU energy policy – said he did not back the idea, but instead merely mentioned that the idea had been raised.

“In a recent interview, I referred to several ideas that are circulating these days in order to help address the problems,” the commissioner said, in comments relayed by the European Commission’s Irish offices.

“However, in the interview I did not propose this idea, nor did I support it. Moreover, I did not refer to any particular country.”

Nonetheless, Irish political figures have been lining up to attack Oettinger’s reported comments.

This morning Labour’s Joe Costello insisted the remarks were “those of a myopic bully”, saying they were “insulting and display a fundamental misunderstanding of the complexities of the economic realities of the present financial EU crisis.”

“The French and German banking systems broke all the lending rules in their pursuit of profit and now are determined to get their full pound of flesh from the countries into which they poured their surplus cash,” he said.

Costello promised to raise the comments in the Dáil during its discussion on ‘topical issues’ later this afternoon.

‘He who is without sin’

This morning MEP Mairéad McGuinness told Radio 1′s Morning Ireland that the reported remarks were “extremely unhelpful” and an “unfortunate distraction”.

“I’m inclined to the Biblical phrase, ‘Let he who is without sin cast the first stone’,” McGuinness said, calling on Oettinger to retract his comments.

“This morning [at the European Parliament in Strasbourg] we have spoken about the unfortunate  rise in inter-governmentalism, where member states deal with each other instead of through the community method,” the Louth-based MEP said.

In that context, the commissioner’s remarks were “beyond unhelpful”.

Earlier on Morning Ireland, government chief whip Paul Kehoe had also spoken out against the remarks – while Sinn Fein’s Gerry Adams also described them as typifying of a European attitude.

Fine Gael TD Joe O’Reilly has also criticised the suggestion, saying the flag itself was a symbol of freedom and national pride, which flies beside those of other countries “as a symbol of co-operation and mutual respect”.

“It bears remembering that we have taken all the steps asked of us, and have received praise for the courage with which we have undertaken the tough and unpalatable steps necessary to lay the foundation for national recovery,” he said.

“It would be helpful if the Commissioner recognised the harmful nature of his comments, and withdrew them.”

Yesterday Labour MEP Phil Prendergast had kicked off complaints about the proposal, saying the idea was “totally at odds with EU values, and unhelpful at a time when States most affected by the financial crisis struggle to get public acceptance”.

The Irish Daily Star, in a front-page story, described the comments as “insanely insulting” – and in an editorial, advised Germany to hang its own flag at half-mast “for the next couple of hundred years”.

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Comments (15 Comments)

  • What’s this nonsense – “unfortunate distraction” uttered by Mairéad McGuinness, an unfortunate distraction is missing the winning goal in the champions league final when someone knocks on your door or the phone rings.
    This was blatant EU bullying and should be denounced as such, I really wish our so-called representatives would grow a spine and stand up more vigorously to these charlatans in the EU

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    • Agreed. A Europe of equals, does anyone believe that claptrap anymore. Every new approach that the EU adopts is formulated in private sessions between Germany and France, then presented to the politburo for runner stamping. They don’t even hide it at this stage. We had interest rates being set for 10 years to suit Germany’s economy, we had them and France continuously breaking the stability rules, for which they received no penalty.

      The EU is full of mind numbing hypocrites, they are a threat to all the people of Europe at this stage. Barroso’s comments on dissent on the edges not being tolerated is just more of the same. Absolute power corrupts absolutely, the EU needs to go back a few steps, back to the European Economic Community. The Euro as it currently stands is a doomed currency, we’ll probably be out of it within 10 years. A continent ruined again by the power hunger and ambition of French and German leaders.

      As for this man he has a track record of giving eulogies for Nazi party members, he can fupp off the baxtard, says a lot about German Political attitudes that a man like this could be appointed Comm. Same as the appointment of Maire Geoghan Quinn reflected on the standards in Cowen’s Govt.

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  • It shouldn’t be forgotten that Germany only finished its World War I reparations in 2010, and even then after several haircuts had been applied to the original amount.

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    • Yeah, and paid none for the Emergency. In fact they were handed money like it grew on trees by the Americans in order to prop them up against “The Red Menace”. If justice has been served post Emergency, the Germans would realise they are in no position to criticise anyone in Europe. Nor would they be in a position to dictate to the rest of us now.

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    • The top 3 largest write offs in the last hundred years have been for Germany. The consistent offender and breaker of the stability packs prior to the Euro creation was Germany, Interest rates in the ECB are determined by what suits Germany.

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  • Maybe they want to replace other countries flags, with one of their choosing of course, a nice red and white jobbie… or did they try that one before too?

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  • Those Germans certainly aren’t all smiles and sunshine.

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  • Seriously what is with fine Gael and the constant bible bashing. Did they always sound like American republican religious nuts or is this a new thing. Suppose not as bad as gay mitchell.

    On topic what a ridiculous idea to lower flags is he just looking to cause controversy for the sake of it. If we applied same logic to Germany over the decades they wouldn’t have a flag left!!!!

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  • It is astonishing that any modern German politician should even obliquely support the idea of economically inferior nations having to display some kind of outward sign of their status. Has this dumbkopf learned nothing from the history of his own country?

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  • Nationalism and religion are the cause of more wars and terrorism in the world — they should be banned.
    Waving a national flag on days of religious key dates is simply rediculous, it incites anger and violance which is contary to the beliefs of all the religions. Their is currancy in it for politicians and yet it is the normal people who suffer. All symbols and flags should be withdrawn and see if that works – people should take pride in helping their neighbours not killing them.

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    • I always thought most wars were caused by either two power blocks competing over natural resources. I can also think of a few wars caused by pure intolerance and surely banning someones personal religion, beliefs or national flags would be a form of intolerance. By the way you spelt ridiculous wrong

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  • Gerry Adems talking about flags at Half mast — he knows a lot about causing the majority of these in Ireland and the UK. Sick.

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  • Germany continues to be exceptional in the production of many goods, however their individual fiscal prudence aggregates into an economy with a lagging domestic consumption, the oft cited paradox of thrift applies, Germany needs a deficit of demand to be plugged from elsewhere and with the same currency the Euro delivers that demand to a level not possible with a floating currency.

    Germany has a well recognized and established national arrogance and air of superiority that has become increasingly more amplified since their power in Europe has increased ( they have never been more influential in Europe as they are now since the War) The arrogance is extreme, Merkels more sedate gestures are not reflective of the real view across the German establishment. Jurgen Stark former ECB chief economist dismissed talk of non repayment of unsecured private creditors of Anglo as follows ““I’m as surprised as the president that this issue seems still to be on the political agenda” echoing a degree of arrogance in his dismissal reflective of contempt. Today despite a lame attempt at retraction we hear of the suggestion that flags should fly at half mast out of shame!

    Apart from a currency union devised in their maximum interest, the inequity of Germans current position goes further. And reveals a blatant hypocrisy. Amidst all of this moral lecturing and arrogant patronizing by many in the German Establishment. Germanys position must be considered alongside the reality of the behaviour of German Banks. If as itsclearly the case with the German authoritative view, that Irish taxpayers deserve to be punished for the recklessness of Irish banks, so too should Germans taxpayers be punished for the recklessness of German Banks. Instead the burden of recklessness of German Banks is being placed on taxpayers from other countries financed at a further profit to the lenders enabling such a stitch up. The Irish Government failed miserably to properly expose this inequity of thus hypocrisy to the wider world, and yet the Germans continue to lecture us.

    German banks were conservative domestically ( high deposits required for mortgages etc) but completely reckless in then trying to generate high retruns overseas from all of the stockpiled German cash . In this case they lent money as recklessly as Anglo. They were in reckless interbank lending, cds, cdo etc and have incurred heavy debts, that anyone in Ireland paying tax will contribute to making whole.

    See Michael Lewis on the duality of Domestic German Prudence and International recklessness

    http://www.vanityfair.com/business/features/2011/09/europe-201109

    Germany has a well established national arrogance and air of superiority that has become increasingly more amplified since their power in Europe has increased (They have never been more influential in Europe as they are now since the War). In light of a swath of recent comments from the German Establishment, Merkel’s more sedate gestures are clearly not reflective of the real view across Germany. Unlike some of the comments on this board Germans are not as far removed from culpability for the mess we are all in as they and such commentators suggest. They could care less for Ireland or any other country outside of their own and should be considered accordingly.

    We have incompetent political leadership internationally and this charade will most likely continue but what hat will deliver Europe from this crisis is what is also most just. Ireland is culpable to a degree and has to pay for that but so too are Germans and others and until that reality is properly exposed and the burden is distributed in accordance with such ratios of culpability, this European debt crisis will not be resolved. Ultimately what is just is what is most likely to succeed.

    I would love to see a harmonious mutually beneficial just and equitable EMU economy emerge from the current mess but such an ideal is impossible until the inequities are exposed and resolved justly and thus sustainably. Germany has it in its power to take the altruisitic step but as we have failed to properly articulate our position internationally they easily lump Ireland in with Greece (a completely separate league of recklessness and deceit) and punish us the same. Maybe a statement exposing this inequity and a press release announcing the revocation of all unsecured Anglo debt would be a step in the right direction because bowing down to Germans is proven to fail.

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