Alan
RTE have said this morning that the Balbriggan site was chosen by Mary Harney when she was Minister so the politics of the owner seem to be irrelevant .

Reilly added the site to the HSE list. That is relevent.

She choose it to go on a list, Reilly moved it up to the top of said list! Am I wrong?

Paddy both sites were on the original list at no 40th and no 137th when shorthall added the weighted criteria one remained at 40 and the other went out to 140th, how are they now in the top 35?

Nope, have to wait till Feb.
“no elections before the pensions!”

I hope so Jim, when people see that. They’ll get a worse thumping because of it!

Hold on lads! Who the feck do we vote for. Not this lot or the other shower, not Gerry and his loolaas and as for the technical group.

We’re doomed I tell ya, doomed!

Election now, before they get at ours.

Dec

You may be wrong. What we do know is that there is no top or bottom of this list. There was funding for twenty Primary Care sites and the Junior Minister opted to select just twenty and all on the basis of economically disadvantaged locales.
In the past fifteen years these areas have found it impossible to attract doctors to set up GMS practices because they are not financially viable.
The Senior Minister apparently told his Junior as far back as June that to get twenty practices off the ground they should increase the potential number and added fifteen that had been on HSE lists and he brought this new list to Cabinet which then became an approved list. None of that seems problematic.

Paddy Rogers the ministers answers to how or why they were added to the list do not match the facts. Read the below article and tell me that there are no problems with what went on.

Speaking in the Dáil last night, Dr Reilly said Swords and Balbriggan were identified as high priority areas by the HSE five years ago.

But both “lost out” after Ms Shortall, the then-Minister of State, increased the weighting attached to deprivation in selecting priority locations in which centres would be built.

“Multiplying the deprivation index by three, they lost out. They were swept from high priority to low priority. Under the original priority system both would have been in the top 35. However, under the new system with an altered weighting system they ended down the list.”

This is not borne out, however, by documents obtained by The Irish Times under Freedom of Information legislation last week. They show that Balbriggan ranked 44th and Swords 127th in a draft list compiled last June – before Ms Shortall ordered officials to increase the weighting attached to deprivation.

This exercise did little to alter the rankings of the two towns in the list, with Balbriggan remaining at 44th and Swords slipping just three places to 130th, the documents show.

Yes yes bring it on it An election may save mass riots Election as soon as possible please and get rid of these liars and traitors

“Replace the liars and the traitors”

Didn’t we just do that two years ago and replaced them with other liars and traitors ???

Is there anybody worthy ???
http://www.thejournal.ie/dail-764k-allowances-no-sittings-617498-Oct2012/

“Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results.”

What’s cannabism?

I think that he means legalise cannibalism – something about solving world hunger and population growth in one go.

classic John LOL

Yes, I meant cannabilism. Not cannabis, sure leave that industry to the drug dealers….

I’m not swallowing that!!

Kathleen knows there is a lovely pension a few years down the line. So much for her insisting last week that all women in particular know instinctively how to ask the “awkward” questions: http://www.labour.ie/press/listing/13487573048316460.html

Nothing wrong you say, and yet the land is owned by one of your financial backers……….. He’d be in jail already in America… he need to stand down as his position as a minister in government is untenable

@ Aisling: Yes, exactly. Minister Lynch seems to know that you have to be in power to bring change, and that in a coalition government you share power. Unlike Shorthall whose departure was most likely motivated by her dissatisfaction regarding being left out of Cabinet twice. It’s much easier to criticise from the sidelines rather than make decisions in power.

@ Brian: Did you read the story? The site was selected by the HSE before the current Minister came to power. How do you explain that?

@ Ryan Allen, Have a read of the below from the Irish Times. Can you explain the contradiction because to date Reilly hasn’t. Also Shortall couldn’t make a decision as Reilly had not vested the power in her to do so.

Speaking in the Dáil last night, Dr Reilly said Swords and Balbriggan were identified as high priority areas by the HSE five years ago.

But both “lost out” after Ms Shortall, the then-Minister of State, increased the weighting attached to deprivation in selecting priority locations in which centres would be built.

“Multiplying the deprivation index by three, they lost out. They were swept from high priority to low priority. Under the original priority system both would have been in the top 35. However, under the new system with an altered weighting system they ended down the list.”

This is not borne out, however, by documents obtained by The Irish Times under Freedom of Information legislation last week. They show that Balbriggan ranked 44th and Swords 127th in a draft list compiled last June – before Ms Shortall ordered officials to increase the weighting attached to deprivation.

This exercise did little to alter the rankings of the two towns in the list, with Balbriggan remaining at 44th and Swords slipping just three places to 130th, the documents show.

@Ryan.. you muppet…. Reilly selected the venues in Swords and Balbriggan and added them to the list that was selected by an independent committee…. Stroke politics at its best……. Some people are so stupid it defies belief…….

Check her out, she gave a good reference too a child abuser of two young girls a few years back. Imagine her protecting children?

I would have him as my family gp tomorrow if I could. I believe he would fight tooth and nail for his patients without concern for how it makes him look.

you have no idea what you are talking about, he is/was a very good family GP

*of a*

I was thinking more a silly face.

Face suits the Liar

Ugly liar

The HSE is ran by a bunch of overpaid, self interested and under skilled parasites who only got their current positions as a result of longevity of servitude and not on ability. Anyone who thinks that a list compiled by these people is infallible is deluded.

To be replaced by???????

There’ll be many independents elected, next time round. Don’t worry, there is alternatives and Once FG/FF/Labour/SF get throttled in an election. We’ll be making progress, time now for change!

Who cares who they’re replaced by as long as those lying, stroke pulling, eu puppets are out!! I will relish in taking back my wasted vote, FG total let down & waste of space.

ha, dream on…to grasp and hold power you will see a rainbow coalition…no doubt….FF/FG/LAB…any of them would get in to bed with either slut to get at the trough!!

Hahaha, a government of independents. Thanks for the laugh. Maybe Mick Wallace as Minister for Finance (he’s good at cooking the books) and Michael Healy-Rae as Minister for Kerry (there’d be no strokes there I’m sure)?

Of course the ULA would possibly need to join as well to make up the numbers – if they could stop arguing between themselves! And SF could also join – Gerry Adams as Minister for Justice of course (though Justice for the Disappeared would be forgotten about).

@ Ryan: Voters give out about stroke politics, and yet reward it almost every time at the ballot box. See Lowry and Healy-Rae’s enduring support as an example.

if a majority of independents took control and agreed to appoint a suitable person as prime minister, that person could appoint suitable people in positions as ministers. You don’t have to be elected to be appointed a minister, outsiders with suitable qualifications can be appointed. What is going on now, is jobs for the boys/girls!

@ Stephen: Yes you do in fact have to be elected, unless you are a Senator. But there only can be a maximum of two Senators in Government. It is all explained in the Constitution:

“1° The Taoiseach, the Tánaiste and the member of the Government who is in charge of the Department of Finance must be members of Dáil Éireann.

2° The other members of the Government must be members of Dáil Éireann or Seanad Éireann, but not more than two may be members of Seanad Éireann.”

http://www.constitution.ie/reports/ConstitutionofIreland.pdf

I would love this to be amended by the Constitutional Convention, to allow more experts in Government.

Bear in mind according to the most recent polls, an election now would likely result in a Fine Gael/Labour government mandated till 2017. Do you really want a new election… now?

Mike we whined for years about dodgy deals and corrupt politicians and we were primised by this government those days were gone…as I have said on another story James Reilly has an easy way of sorting out this problem..all he has to do publish his criteria including the weights and figures he used..this should have been done straight away

‘Who can believe the Minister, when her own minster of state expresses concern?’ James Reilly to the then health minister Mary Harney back 2007.

Mike, we are not complaining about a good effective politician doing the right thing. We are complaining about percieved stroke politics, which this politician accuses other politicians of and promised through his party that it is a thing of the past under this NEW broom. I am still waiting for them to make those difficult decisions that they claim they are making. Everything is so complex they say, so why not resign and let effective and intelligent tds take on these complex decisions sooner rather than later.

“We whined for years that our health ministers were too weak to take on and properly reform the HSE.” Really? Harney CREATED the HSE. We had non-minister Coughlan for two months, and now we have Reilly. Exactly who are you talking about?

The original 15 that would have numbered 21 to 35 on the list the HSE drew up? The list contained 200 possible sites that had being identified as priorities by HSE officials.

I think that rather misses the point. I have no problem with those locations per se, and I’m not sure anybody else does. There may be excellent arguments for those locations. But if there are, then it’s up to O’Reilly to make them. He hasn’t and, indeed, refuses to. If a due and diligent process found these locations as the best ones, then that would be fine, them being selected for O’Reilly’s personal political gain isn’t it.

And I think most people see this as another straw on this particular camel’s back more than anything. By itself, buttering up one’s own constituents is on the minor end of the scale. So is not being able to work well with colleagues, so is not being able to manage the department budget, so is not paying his debts.

But those straws add up, and the question becomes how many minor scandals can the *one* minister generate and still be a credible holder of their job?

So Kerry & Peter. That would be a big fat NO then. Well at least you replied and disscussion is how democracy works. The 16 people who red thumbed a simple question confuse me, maybe they are against discussion or questions, our way or no way is it? This country is screwed for want of decent leadership, to elect leaders you need to be aware of the issues. It seems from the lack of answers that the people complaining on here are totally unaware of the facts surrounding this issue.

Bit confused Dave. I answered you there was a list of 200 sites drawn up I said the original sites numbered 21 to 35 should have been used not the ones Reilly decided to add.

Which 2 on the list Kerry and Why. Dont think I missed anything but will be delighted if you prove me wrong.

Dave Kavanagh, the point is not which ones would be alternatives, but why this minister changed the list and the criteria. After all shouldn’t he have cautioned the junior minister a long time ago if he was so deeply involved in and so well aware of the needs of the country. I wonder what influence the nama decision about this particular property had in this particular constitutency. That property couldn’t have been used without the nama decision. It smells of stroke politics of the haughey/healy rea era.