No Paul, I’m merely explaining how boycotting a country works-you hit them where it hurts, where they can’t ignore it. I’m not calling on the world to boycott Mauritius- but the Irish people should be trying to take a stance here.

my apologies, that was meant for below.

I don’t think a boycott would be blaming all Mauritians Vimal. It is a protest against the useless people. There is no comparisson between junkies in Dublin and every Irish person not being a junkie, this grievance is with the police and the state in Mauritias. In our eyes they have made mess of the investigation and not delivered justice. Also the images being posted in the paper of our countrywoman’s dead body is outrageous. I have to say you comment in very unintelligent and lets your homelands authorities of very lightly… you’re pretty much saying “no ones is perfect”.. and to my mind that doesn’t come close to being acceptable.

No offence Daniel, but you don’t speak for me, as in our eyes etc. Vimals comment is an intelligent, logical one and thankfully a long way from some of the knee jerk, populist comments all over this story coming from the bandwagon brigade.
Take a look closer to home in regard to the press and police botch ups.

Sory Rommel, was taking the general national views, not speaking for every individual. I think the vast majority of Irish people think there was a mess up made of the criminal set up here. So I don’t think my view speaks for everyone, but I don’t think it goes to far as to be pretty much the consensus.

As for the un intelligent aspect. To talk about Ireland’s anger with the Mauritian authorities and newspaper getting leaked photos of a murder victim and publishing them, as if this is on a par with saying we are all junkies because some are, is very un intelligent. It also shows no grasp of why people are upset and just a desire to stand up for his nation by whatever means nessesary. Even including compairing our anger and feelings for the bereaved to ignorantly taring a whole nations people with the same brush. There is no comparrison in what is happening here to what he lays out in his absurd example.

Regarding our own botch up and garda corruption, they have to be looked at of course, I strongly agree, but they are not reasons to not feel outraged by the resent events. In particular the printing of this poor woman’s dead body.

Daniel,
Yes the vast majority of Irish people believe the police investigation was a shambles as do I. However the majority of people do not support some kind of boycott against Mauritius. You cannot have a selective boycott against the useless people.
A blanket boycott is being proposed by some and Vimals junkie analogy is correct and reasonable is this respect.
There is plenty reason to be outraged with the events in Mauritius but the media generated hysteria around it at this stage is ludicrous.

Rommel, accepting the investigation was a shambles, that the officials leaked confidential photo’s to the press who published them in the most calous and reckelss way regarging loved ones of Michaela, how can it be said that Ireland/Irish people protesting by not going on holiday there is the same as someone coming to Dublin, seeing junkies and viewing all Irish people as junkiesis just ridiculous.

Firstly, seeing one group and then deciding the whole nation are the same is no way similar to people being angry and protesting the treatment of a fellow citizen, her family. How can you even compare them. One is blind ignorance that paints all with the one brush on the tiniest of evidence, the other is a response directed at the people responsible, the state, judiciary and the press, based on exact evidence and massive disrespect for the dead and grieving.

The comparison is insulting, just as the editors publication and subsequent apology was. It says the problem is with people angry with what happened and is happening, rather than what has happened and is happening.

As for the media criticism .. are you serious? Read the article, it is about the Mauritian Times newspaper… are you saying the problem is the fuss being made of the publication of these images, which is grossly indecent and unethical, not the publication of the images??? Rommel I think you should have left a trail of breadcrumbs when you went down this reverse logic and reverse blame argument. I have a feeling I’m wasting my breath here, so best leave it there, nothing to be gained going on, in my view that is.

Christ It’s not rocket science. The original posters point was that just as it would be unfair to characterize all Irish as junkies based on the actions of a few, then it follows that to punish all Mauritians economically for the actions of a few is also wrong.
If people choose to not go there on holiday that is their right, but if pressure is to be brought to bear on the few, then it should be done on an official level in my opinion.
Lastly the actions of the Mauritian paper are disgusting beyond belief and i’m in no way trying to say different, but lets not kid ourselves that our own press isn’t heading in the same direction in some cases.
Slán

I know what the original poster point is, classifying all Irish people as junkies is not in any way the same as Irish people protesting against the applying and incompetent behavior of the Mauritian state, police, justice system and press. It’s not rocket science, your right, it’s not rocket science that this is an unjust comparison.

As for our own press heading the same direction in some cases, that is just a cop out from calling it as it is. In this case the problem is the Mauritian Press, by a gross degree. So this is not about our press and their press, is is about their press, in fact only the publication that released the images. Use as many red herrings and smoke and mirrors as you like, the fault here is clear.

Also there is no major movement to sanction the country. It was a small group as a knee jerk reaction. The pole I saw, here I think, show most not in favour, large amount undecided and a reasonable minority in favour. Out of those how many would be going to there anyway.

Look, I don’t agree with the analogy of the junkies … there is no comparison and it distorts the righteous anger of the irish people. It too is a cop out, peoples anger is not a judgement on all the nation based on a small group of marginalized people, it is justified anger based on the behaviour of the mechanics of a state.

Daniel Murray very well said 100% agree

Thanks for the summary Daniel but why are you for a boycott?
How would you partake in said boycott if it did happen?
What’s your expectations of a successful boycott?

Who said I was up for a boycott Julian? Not going on an exotic holiday, alas, would be a boycott I could very easily take part in… agreeing with it or not. A boycott could bring pressure on the state to do something more and insure no more leaks etc. I would imagine.

I have not said I support a boycott. Seems things are said too easily and retracted to slow.

So it’s ok for the innocent people of a country to suffer due the, admittedly, despicable actions and wrongdoings of people in authority in that country. Does that hold true purely for the people of Mauritius. Or is it a general rule that can be applied to all countries. What happened in Mauritius is plainly wrong but you can not blame a whole nation for the actions of a few. Should the Irish people be made to suffer because of the failings and wrongdoings of our previous government? Oh wait. We are.

Then why did the whole world boycott south african goods during apartheid? you vote with your feet against something you feel very strongly about. it’s how you get the people in charge to take notice. i wish there was another way, as like i said, i don’t want innocent citizens to have to suffer. Their authorities have left us with little choice but to disassociate with the country to a certain extent.

Wow. So now you’re comparing to the actions of an idiot newspaper editor and some incompetent/corrupt cops to the systemic and institutional racism of apartheid and all the evils that go with that.

I am afraid there are very few places in the world that you will be able to visit if you are going to boycott all the countries where corruption and incompetence are rife.

No Paul, I’m merely explaining how boycotting a country works-you hit them where it hurts, where they can’t ignore it. I’m not calling on the world to boycott Mauritius- but the Irish people should be trying to take a stance here.

Thanks Juliana, genuinely didn’t know and was confused. Either way, it’s a tragedy. I don’t believe in boy cotting because it’s not the government that suffer, it’s the people (as we have seen under extremely different circumstances) but do believe that our own should be allowed investigate and re trial, our guards are good and if you look at some of our high profile murder cases they have been resolved quickly with professionalism and in a dignified matter.

Chuck, the police are very well trained, as been one of them once, and a good one, top of the class in the CID. But I chose to leave because of all the massive political interference in every aspect of detective work, from regular duties to promotions. Just as in every school all over the world, some come out top of the class while others fail. Same thing with the Mauritius Police, where Top of the class guys are not properly used or are made to feel unwanted but the bottom ones, the inefficient and incompetent are chosen to join elite teams, which is something really political, actually. In elite teams like the CID, under which the MCIT operates, is full of incompetents and holds only a handful of those who are able. Many competent ones have been punitively transferred to either regular police or riot unit, due to too much political interference in those teams.

Unfortunately Mcgoo, most of the places that the westerner considers paradise for a holiday are Banana Republics with high levels of corruption. Look at Sri Lanka, Maldives, the whole Caribbean and many more!

What happened here could happen in any of these places!

Actually, you can use all of them words to describe a location in Ireland!

Did you just describe our own fair isle mcgoo!

Ireland ?

@mcgoo Just like Ireland. A corrupt, unjust, lawless country where anything goes. Imagine your shock if the French were to boycott Ireland over it’s nationals being murdered in this country. There are good people who are part of a society, and there are people who choose to live outside the rules we all agree to abide by. These people exist in every nation on this planet. We have enough of our own to be getting on with. They are everywhere, in government, in the police force, in county councils, in banks, in every town, village and city on this island. When we have cleaned up our own mess, we might be justified in calling for some form of retribution, until then ?????/

Emma, with respect- we didn’t treat Sophie’s family the way the Harte/McAreavey family has been treated, we didn’t publish pics of her corpse in our national papers. We also attempted to cooperate fully with French authorities throughout. I of course still hope for justice in Sophie’s case too, it was a horrible crime.

Lauren. The Mauritian people didn’t authorise the publication of the photos. It was the editor of the paper in question. You can’t vilify the whole country because of the despicable actions of a few individuals.

I would!
Look a terrible crime took place there, the police over there are lacking in professionalism as is the editor, but boycotting the whole country is just a silly idea, what will it change?

As many have pointed out, it’s not the murder, nor the subsequent acquittal of the suspects that has people so up in arms, it’s the handling of all of it. No respect or dignity was given to the victim or her family throughout- the opposite in fact. The court conducted itself like a circus- I have limited faith in our justice system, but the cat-calling, laughing and panto-gasps would never have been tolerated here. They treated the whole thing like a game.
And now their press think it’s ok to show pics of her body? Again, we did no such thing during the Toscan Du Plantier case.

Gillian that is exactly what I was thinking. It is heartbreaking and a real tragedy for such a beautiful girl but both herself and John are northern Irish and therefore under the UK, why are the Irish government making the complaints about the verdict and The minister for justice flying over there, genuinely confused.

As a resident of Northern Ireland you can apply for an Irish passport.
You probably didn’t notice the odd disturbance over that over the past 40 years?
I believe there was the odd story in the papers over it.

Probably the links to the GAA.

Ciara I think you are missing the point,it is just because of the fact that am Irish citizen wad murdered in Mauritiu,but also the horrendous treatment her husband and familt recieved.the behavior of people in court and outside after the verdict was vile as wad the printing of the pictures.boycotting is a protest,if that is how people feel then they are entitled to feel that way.

well said, juliana.

I would take a wild guess that any of her family members will tell you she felt otherwise. Northern Ireland is exactly that….Northern Ireland. An option for an Irish or a UK passport exists…she chose Irish.

Trolllllllllllll

What happened to Michaela is sad, unfortunate and extremely evil, however I am wondering why the irish Government has gotten so involved in expressing their “outrage” at the publication of these photos. Photos of other crime scenes involving murders and their victims are published nearly every week in Irish newspapers. The detective Gerry McCabe springs to mind immediately. The image of him lying slouched in a garda car has been republished three four time a year since his unlawful death, yet there is no outrage over that. Pictures of drug dealers shot dead in their cars have been published also. No outrage followed ! Why outrage with Michaela? And no, I am not a troll….

What about those who don’t consider themselves Catholic? You can’t speak for everyone.

Lauren, I speak for 84 percent of the population who declared themselves Catholic in the last census. That’s quite a majority.

Because the RCC has closed the loophole that allows people to leave. It’s now the Hotel California of religions-once in, you can’t get out. The quote wrong stats at every turn.
You don’t speak for me, I don’t consider myself Catholic.

Murder is not a mistake!!!!!!!!!!! Would you forgive of your new husband or wife was murdered like that!!!!!

Guys Waterford is just a cowardly Internet troll! Probably not even a church goer but just planted in here to stir crap! I suggest you all report his/her comments to the journal and hope that they block his/her access to the journal!

Even his twitter a/c is closed, just ignore.

As the Protestant poet , Alexander Pope [!] said , “To err is human , to forgive Divine “.

@falstaff

The Sunday Independent sought permission from Anne McCabe, who wanted to make sure that naive new voters would get a graphic look at the legacy of terrorism, to run the photo as part of a comprehensive package of news and comment covering every aspect of the case.

@waterford your a weirdo!

I wonder how willing you would be to forgive them you would be if a close member of your family was murdered, justice denied to your loved one and to add extra harshship to your grieveing, pictures of their body splashed right around the world????

To forgive as an expression of your ego is not divine. Using that quotation is juvenile and shows a view that takes nothing into account but hopping on a clever person’s coat tales.

I.m a Good living Irish Citizen and Consider myself a good Catholic And I do not need You or anyone else to speak for me or take it upon themselves to say they are speaking for me I am well capable of speaking for myself and I am old enough to speak for myself So In future I would appreciate it if you do not take it for granted that you are speaking for me ever.