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Motion on Magdalene Laundries to be moved next week

The Sinn Féin proposed motion has the support of 17 Independent TDs.

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A MOTION ON the abuse that took place at the infamous Magdalene Laundries during the 20th century is to be tabled by Sinn Féin during private members’ time next week.

Deputy Leader Mary Lou McDonald said the issue is not a political one and the motion has support of 17 other Independent TDs.

She invited “each and every member of the Dáil” to support the motion which calls for immediate and meaningful discussions about an apology and redress from the State.

The party has also asked for funding for a helpline for the survivors of the institutions, many of whom are now ageing and elderly.

The motion comes after the Inter-Departmental Committee revealed that it’s final report would be delayed until the end of the year.

Support group Justice for Magdalenes expressed its disappointment at the delay and provided a copy of its detailed submission to each TD and Senator last week. It contained testimonies from survivors, outlining the abuses they suffered daily and claimed to provide evidence of State interaction at the homes.

“Sinn Féin brings forward this motion in recognition of the huge injustice done to the women and girls of the Magdalene Laundries and of the hurt and hardship caused by their exclusion from the Residential Institutional Redress Scheme,” said McDonald.

The treatment of the 30,000 women and girls of the Magdalene Laundries goes to the very core of what was wrong historically in Irish society.

“To date they have not received the recognition or redress that they deserve. The women are now predominantly aging or elderly and it is of the utmost priority and urgency that their search for justice is responded to in full by the government and the state. Their case is unanswerable and justice must be done.”

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Comments (27 Comments)

  • She wants to gather support to have meaningful discussions about an apology ??? this sounds like the Peoples front of Judea in action. How much more discussion will this take ? It’s clear as day that these ladies deserve at very minimum a state and church apology , and they need their remaining Years to be made comfortable . Nobody needs ANOTHER debate . We all know the horrific facts.

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  • What a crime, when these innocent victims are still waiting for justice, honestly what is it with this Country, i am sure all this begging for someone to do the right thing must cause more trauma on top of trauma that victims just don’t need how terribly sad…

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  • It’s disgusting how these women were treated & totally shameful that they’ve had no recognition of the wrongs that were inflicted on them. I can’t even begin to understand how at the time people could turn a blind eye to the injustice and the plight……however the Irish government/church/society continue to add to the abuse by not giving these women the closure they deserve. So sad that Ireland can treat its own like this.

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    • It a pity the women from mother and baby homes were not allowed a voice.
      I suppose we will have to wait another 25 years for that to happen, just to make sure that all those responsible can get their pension or will have died by then.

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  • I’m always amazed CAB hasn’t been called in to investigate wealth acquired by the church by obvious criminal means such as the slavery in the Magdalen laundries and industrial schools.

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    • It’s not quite that simple. The State and the families of victims were complicit in the whole thing. Magdalen laundries, industrial schools, mental homes etc were convenient ways of getting rid of “undesirable” people.

      Usually, girls / women were brought to Magdalen laundries by their own families. They were seen as a type of service provided by the Church to the State.

      This is probably why no criminal investigation has ever taken place: everyone knew what was happening and a sizeable portion of the population was involved in some way.

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  • It’s not all as you think James, in the industrial schools, where I was incarcerated, there were lots of children who were orphaned or whose Mothers had died and myriad of other reasons other than families voluntary putting children in these institutions?
    People like myself – for example – I was adopted and then found to be in need of care and protection and sent to an industrial school for the tender loving care. It was my birthday and within minutes of being within the cloister walls – I was being slapped around the face and having my head banged against a wall and being told if it was the last thing she would do “she would break my spirit”. It was horrific. I was already upset at being taken from the only home I had ever known and the nun’s actions was indefensible. My crime was that I didn’t understand what was being said to me and apparently had answered inappropriately!
    The real issue here is that children and vulnerable young women ( in the laundries) were being physically, mentally and emotionally abused, were being raised in a climate of terror – which was not conducive to well being, mental stability or anything that resembled normal life!
    Whatever reasons we were incarcerated – it was not our choice – and our vulnerability should not have given our so called guardians carte Blanche licence to abuse!

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    • Thank you for sharing your story Marie but as a point of interest were you ever aware of anyone who was so badly beaten that they ended up hospitalised , permanently physically disfigured or in may have died as a result of their treatment. Judging by the reported treatment I find it hard to believe that there weren’t some cases .

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    • Don’t get me wrong Marie; I’m disgusted by what was done to people like you. I would love to see the Church orders held responsible for what they did.

      I was responding only to Gavin’s comment about the CAB. I’d like to see the a criminal prosecution but the sheer number of people involved in one way or another (including the State) makes it impossible.

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    • Many thanks for sharing this, Marie. Next week there will be a protest against the Sisters of Mercy order in Galway. Their secondary school celebrates 75 years. Michael D Higgins will be a guest. I can’t celebrate this as this order incarcerated my relative in their Mercy Laundry decades ago. Their laundry featured in the documentary ‘Sex In A Cold Climate’ which RTE has still not broadcast.

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  • @tom: it was time to change the tune when these young girls were being abused didn’t happen then won’t happen now !!!

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  • Hi Marie ,
    You and all people who have suffered at the hands of the RCC and State will always have my undying support. I wish I could do more . it is extremely important to be vocal about these issues . If we can win the sympathies /support or even enlighten one person through this website through our comments then it is an exercise well spent. I wish you all the best for the future and sincerely hope that justice will be served and those that committed these heinous crimes against you and others are made to pay dearly.

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  • Does anybody know if the 1000 women who died & were buried in unmarked “Laundry” graves have at least been given some kind of memorial grave marking? Or have they been moved to actual grave yards?

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  • In addition to the compensation for illegal incarceration and enslavement the victims should be paid an hourly rate for every hour they spent in those institutions . It should be at the highest overtime rate that the highest paid civil servants in the state are on , backdated and with interest. The RCC should be made to pay every penny. They made a fortune from slave labour. The government have the perfect opportunity to extract the money from the RCC. They should not let them away with making the taxpayer alone foot the bill like the previous government who let them away with paying the absolute minimum. The RCC profiteered from those poor unfortunate women. There must be justice. Please write to your local TD , Minister for justice and demand justice and that the church pays otherwise all compensation will come out of your pocket.

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  • The Redress board was a farce . Paltry sums to buy victims silence. The perpetrators guaranteed impunity and immunity from prosecution. Sinn Fein was surprisingly quiet at the time obviously afraid to stir up anti-catholic sentiment . All slaves who were incarcerated by the RCC and state should be paid millions for their suffering . A memorial should be raised to all those unfortunate girls and women who were enslaved . They should never be forgotten.

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    • Thank you Tom for your sentiments which are unusual in this climate of austerity. I was incarcerated at an industrial school and the brutal beatings, emotional, physical and psychological torments are indescribable and leave scars which were long in healing (if ever)!
      The redress system itself was further abuse – it was humiliating and a farce. Young lives were destroyed in these hellholes and nightmares perpetrated daily.So it is good to see people such as yourself showing an intelligent, supportive understanding of the situation. Thank you.

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    • I’m so sorry I meant Tony not Tom! Thanks again

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  • The Catholic Church should just go away.

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  • Marie your story is extremely moving and it serves to strengthen my resolve to support all survivors whenever and however I can. You strike me as an articulate and intelligent lady despite what they did to you . I admire your resilience And I wish you the best .

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  • All the political parties have websites were you can submit comments or queries . If you believe that the Church should pay for these crimes please post your comments and queries on their websites. I just did it on the Fine Gael and Labour websites . I basically asked if the church will be made pay and will the perpertrators of the crimes be exposed or will they be guaranteed anonymity like with the Redress scheme for the survivors of abuse in the schools.

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  • If there is compensation it should also given to the descendants of those women who were illegally incarcerated and no longer with us. Just because the victim is deceased should not mean that the church and state should get away with it. There was a crime and there must be justice and retribution.

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  • Tony, I was not aware of any fatalities. However to understand the situation in the school, the overall state of fear and terror we lived in was such that they could have told us anything – how would we have known otherwise.
    I myself was locked in a room when inspectors visited and have been deaf all my adult life as a result of blows to the head.
    When you were in trouble with the nuns the other girls tended to ostracise you as they knew what would happen if they even looked in your direction.
    The psychological and emotional damage done was huge and for myself I still suffer post traumatic stress!
    The time spent there overrode and eroded any semblance of normal behaviour and we were hypersensitive to the moods and vagaries of the nuns in charge. Another thing you couldn’t trust anyone in case they told or somehow let anything slip. It is really unimaginable – more like a concentration camp than a school for children!

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  • Yes,we need justice for the women incarcerated in these profit making Magdalene Laundries. I had an exchange with a Good Shepherd sister who told me “we imprisoned nobody”. Total denial of the truth and reality. It’s necessary to hold these people account and for justice to be got for the women and children whose lives were destroyed by sadists.

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    • Yes Kevin no surprise there as lying is their modus operandi. It’s permitted in the church so long as it is in the interests of protecting the church. When it’s used in that manner it’s not considered a sin. That’s why they find it so easy to lie and deny their crimes.

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  • Time to change the tune.

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