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“We got one egg a year” – survivors’ submission provides evidence of State interaction with Magdalene Laundries

Extracts from the Justice For Magdalenes submission to a Government committee about the State’s involvement at the institutions.

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ALTHOUGH PREVIOUS REPORTS and testimonies reveal that labour in the Magdalene Laundries was forced and wholly unpaid, conditions harsh and the incarcerated women completely deprived of their liberty, suffering both physical and emotional abuse, survivors are still searching for an apology and redress.

Although the State gave the nuns who ran the Laundries direct capitation (per-head) grants and valuable contracts for commercial work, it has failed to offer that apology or any type of redress.

Although the State failed to enforce health and safety legislation or ensure girls of school-going age were educated in the Laundries, it has repeatedly denied responsibility for the way girls and women were treated at the now-infamous institutions throughout the 20th century.

Justice for Magdalenes (JFM) believes – and provides evidence to back up its claims – that there was State involvement in the operation of the Magdalene Laundries as places to send women, often known as “problem girls”, affected by pregnancy outside marriage, poverty and crime.

“The State regarded the Magdalene Laundries as an opportunity to deal with various social problems – illegitimacy, poverty, disability, so-called licentous behaviour, domestic and sexual abuse, youth crime and infanticide,” the group writes in its 145-page submission to the Government’s Inter-Departmental Committee set up to probe exactly what happened between the 1920s and 1990s.

The advocacy group was dismayed last week when the committee said its final report would be delayed until the end of the year because of the need to examine recently-received materials.

As a response, JFM has provided a redacted copy of its document to every TD and Senator at Leinster House.

They say it offers “overwhelming and irrefutable evidence of State complicity in the abuses experienced by young girls and women in these institutions”.

It is supported by 795 pages of new testimonies from survivors. The organisation wants to hear an immediate apology so meaningful discussions about redress and restorative justice can commence. Each day the State fails to do so, a population of aging and elderly women is left waiting, according to JFM.

“Survivors’ entitlements should no longer be held hostage to a political system that is not delivering on its promises,” they continue in a statement issued with the document.

Survivors of institutional abuse rally

Mary Smith from Co. Cork who was abused in a Magdalene Laundry holds up children’s shoes as she joins clerical abuse survivors from Canada in 2010. Image:  Niall Carson/PA Archive/Press Association Images

A captive workforce

According to the submission, the State repeatedly sought to funnel “diverse populations” of females to the institutions and, in return, religious orders obtained an “entirely unpaid and literally captive workforce for their commercial laundry enterprises”.

JFM argues against the State’s previous defence that it was not complicit in referring individuals to the laundries. It says that women were routinely sent by the judicial system between 1922 and 1986. Some were kept at the laundries after their sentences had elapsed.

A letter from the Superioress of the Sisters of Charity’s Cork Laundry written on 2 December 1934 reads: ”We will do our best to keep her in safety even after her time has expired.”

Other women were given a choice between being sent to prison or a Magdalene Laundry. However, there wasn’t much difference between the two, according to survivors.

I felt as if I was being sentenced to a prison. Indeed, at a certain level I was a prisoner.
Definitely, it was a prison…you get paid in a prison but this was a prison. There was no doubt about it, it was a prison.
These were prisons.

During a debate in 1960, Senator Connolly O’Brien told the Seanad that a girl who had been sent to the laundries would suffer a lifelong stigma:

If I were asked to advise girl delinquents, no matter what offences they were charged with, whether to go to prison on remand, or to go to St Mary Magdalen’s Asylum on remand, I would advise them wholeheartedly to choose prison, because I think having a record of being in prison as a juvenile delinquent would not be so detrimental to the after life of the girl as to have it legally recorded that she was an inmate of St Mary Magdalen’s Asylum.

Some “begged” to be sent to prison rather than a home, according to one magistrate in the 1920s.

Women and girls were also transferred from prisons, industrial schools, mother and baby homes to the laundries. Girls and women who had “re-offended” by having two children outside of marriage were sent to homes as they were told they needed “supervision and guardianship”.

JFM has evidence of State suggestions to send women and children to the Laundries. In one instance, a county manager signed a 14-year-old’s committal to the Laundry. She was originally in the foster care system operated by the public assistance authorities.

It is also true that some girls were admitted by non-State actors, including their families. This happened for a number of reasons, including fear of scandal related to illegitimacy, sexual abuse, incest, domestic abuse, disability and mental illness. Others were sent as a way of dealing with land or inheritance disputes.

One survivor says she was kidnapped by the Legion of Mary and delivered to the Sisters of Charity Laundry in Donnybrook, Dublin 4. The Gardaí returned her to the institution when she attempted to escape. JFM says it has significant evidence of similar events.

This practice was not a ‘one off’ or ‘local’ arrangement but happened at Magdalene Laundries in different parts of Ireland and across a number of decades.

One survivor recounts:

Well, I went out the gate and I was just about to run down Griffith Avenue when the next thing I saw…the police were behind me…and they brought me back, they said because I was in the [Laundry] uniform…They said “are you Attracta?” and I said…”yes”…And they said “where do you think you’re going?” And I said, “out”…”To look for somewhere better to live”…And they said “no, you’re coming back with us, because High Park has rung us and told us that you’d run out”. And before I’d got anywhere they were there on the spot, and brought me back in…I told the police – I said to the police, because the Garda did say to me when I came out, “why did you run away?”. I said, “because they’re cutting my hair and putting me in a hole all the time…And I said to him, I said, “and I don’t like what they’re doing to me”.

JFM notes that Gardaí treated the girls and women well while they were in custody and in some cases allowed them time to escape “to make it onto the ferry to England”.

The group clarified that it is not seeking to hold individual Gardaí responsible for what might have happened in the past and nor is it seeking an apology from the service.

5/7/2011 Justice for Magdalenes Public Forums

James Smith of JFM – a group that has been fighting for justice for survivors for many years. Here, he holds a document detailing the State’s interaction with the laundries back in 2011.

No choice

This year’s submission details how no one in senior government sought to understand how the Magdalene Laundries operated. JFM believe that the fact that the religious orders were in control was “enough” to excuse official inquiry, inspection or regulation.

It says that there was “no statutory basis at all between 1922 and 1960 for incarcerating any of the women”. “None of them were detained lawfully,” the report continues.

All the women had no choice whether to stay. One survivor from High Park Magdalene Laundry in Drumcondra remembers:

Every window in the building, every window had bars on it…All the doors, every door was locked.

Another from Donnybrook said:

At nine o’clock every night you were locked into that cell – winter, summer.

Many believe they were taken from their original lives as “cheap labour” with the excuse of it being for their “own safety”.

We worked long hours every day…scrubbing, bleaching and ironing for the whole of Cork – hotels, hospitals, schools, colleges – for which the nuns charged, of course, though we never saw a penny. It was an industry and they were earning a fortune from our labour.

Work in the Magdalene Laundries was hard. It involved lifting heavy weights in very hot temperatures and the use of toxic chemicals. The clothes for one machine weighted 200 lbs, or 90 kgs.

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A Magdalene Laundry washing machine. Image: RobynLou8/Flickr/CreativeCommons

We worked in great heat associated with the laundry machine and mangles.
You could stand in half a foot of water sometimes down in the laundry all day.
The laundry work was hard too. I often got bleach in my eyes. It was a sore does. It would be sore for days. And the soap would burn your hands.

Other external witnesses told JFM:

By Jesus, they worked hard. They broke a lot of sweat in that laundry. The laundry was very hot. It was just basically a sweathouse just to provide Joe Public out there with nice clean sheets.
The girls could get burns from pouring in soap, splashing into their eyes or pouring in bleach, raw bleach, which they would dilute by 50 per cent…And sometimes these carboys (10 gallon containers) would break and the bleach would go everywhere and it was a nightmare. And the fumes of the bleach alone were dreadful.

Another manager recalls have one woman lost her arm in a bad accident on a hot roller ironing machine.

“We got one egg a year”

JFM’s submission gives details of the girls and women’s every day lives, such as their time spent “in the hole” and the lack of fruit and vegetables they received.

Breakfast was generally porridge, while sausage, potatoes and cabbage made up the bulk of the rest of their meals.

I was extremely thin and sickly…the convent cared for us with absolutely the minimal standards.

Another survivor recalls how they “got one egg a year” on Easter Sunday morning.

There was also “no such thing as education” – “no reading, writing” and “for the most part…intellectual development was ignored”.

A New Ross survivor, who entered aged 14 in 1949 and left aged 18 in 1953, said, “The most important fact to know about the convent is that there was no formal education given to me or the other residents.”

Ignored by all

No, no, no, no, no never. Nobody ever came into that place to inspect you. Nobody.

Between 1922 and 1996, none of Ireland’s ten Magdalene Laundries appear to have ever been inspected.

One external manager from the 1970s questions the government’s role:

The big question I have is why didn’t the government take more interest in these places. Why didn’t these inspectors take more of an interest? They just didn’t want to know because the nuns were fulfilling a huge social need. These people were in need of help. The government should have given them that help. The nuns were there. They filled the void and the government were quite happy, thank you very much, and didn’t want to know about it.

A life sentence

The Mother Superior of the convent operating the Magdalene Laundry in Galway in 1958 revealed in an interview that 70 per cent of women in the home were “unmarried mothers”. She said that a girl could not leave whenever they chose. ”No we’re not as lenient as that. The girl must have a suitable place to go…Some stay for life.”

Almost 1,000 women are buried in the Laundry plots in cemeteries across Ireland.

Speaking about the cemeteries, one survivor notes:

They weren’t even marked, the graveyards…There were no markings – there was nothing in the graveyards.

The women were buried in “some sort of cloth or something” with “no priest, no ceremony….they were just buried there.”

When undertakers went to exhume 133 bodies at High Park graveyard in 1993, the remains of 22 other women were discovered.

To conclude its report, JFM gives two examples of the lengths of time some women spent at the laundries.

One witness talks about how one of her relatives spent about 60 years – from the age of 14 to her death in 1989 – at the Limerick Magdalene Laundry:

She was literally there from when she was a teenage girl to when she died, a long, long time, certainly longer than any prison sentence any criminal has ever got in this country, certainly, which is scary. And a more non-criminal, non-aggressive lady could you meet. A real lady in an old style, a real sweet lady.

In another case, one woman in the Good Shepherd Limerick grave at Mount St Oliver Cemetery is recorded in the 1911 census as being incarcerated in the Limerick Magdalene Laundry at 18 years. She died in 1985, aged 92. She had spent 74 years in the laundry.

Final report on Magdalene Laundries delayed to year-end>

Download the summary of the submission from JFM here>

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Comments (47 Comments)

  • What a dreadful existance for all those young women. How can people be so cruel to others. Authorities have so much to answer for!

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    • The mother and baby homes should also have been included in this discovery process.
      I wonder why mr shatter wouldn’t allow them to be?
      Perhaps the rot never stops?
      State involvement all the way!

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    • Used to do deliveries to magdalen laundry. Any workers I spoke to seemed contented probably because the home conditions they were rescued from were worse.

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    • Can’t believe people here will try justify these so called homes. What about the millions of pounds made by religious orders while paying nothing to the slave labour they had. No wonder there are millions of acres of religious properties all over Ireland being sold for massive sums of money and kept by the orders. One sick collusion between church and state, Thanks de Valera and John Charles Mcquaid for destroying innocent lives and torturing epople and putting into motion an exploitation system any communist country would have been proud of.

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  • They should go straight to the European Court of Human Rights and seek justice. There is no justice in this land. #JFM!

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    • Go to the European court of human rights?
      Most people can’t get access to the four courts, never mind the European courts!
      Solicitors don’t come with clean hands either to all of this!

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  • This story actually made me feel sick. I can’t imagine how those poor women must have felt. It’s shameful that it was allowed to occur. .

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  • OU812 19/09/12 #

    Our state has a shameful history of failing its citizens.

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  • It would be unbelievable if we didn’t know it was true. And still religious orders, some of which ran these hellish places, are allowed run our schools. Shameful. I worry for the victims seeking recompense from these groups that they will not see a penny. Look how little they have paid to the sex abuse victims of their supposed restitution.

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  • Effectively state sponsored terrorism to whoever was unlucky enough to be sent there.

    Gulags run by supposed catholics for profit. Priests who had more power than the gardai and the judges.

    Am I wrong?

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  • What a dreadful time those young women had. I read sections of the Ryan report for college and was horrified by it. I hope you receive the justice you deserve and adequate support for the adversity you suffered.

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  • The fact that anyone was treated like this is absolutely sickening and very upsetting. However, what I find absolutely chilling is that it all happened in plain sight! Large numbers of people, in all walks of Irish life must have been fully aware of this gross injustice, the abuse of human rights and the horrendous conditions these people were being forced to live in.

    The fact that many of us in our 20s and 30s were alive when this was still on-going is even more disturbing again! It is not something that happened exclusively in some dim, dark and distant past. It happened during most of our lifetimes!

    Why didn’t someone fight their corner? They were clearly in dire need of help! Why were there no pro bono legal cases taken? Why wasn’t it a constant political issue? Where were the opposition parties? Why was the media (in the past) so silent? Why didn’t the Gardaí investigate? Why didn’t the DPP bring prosecutions?

    OK, some of us in our 20s and 30s are too young to have been able to, but what happened to all those radicals in the 1960s, 70s, 80s and even 90s?! Were they asleep? Or, just too busy doing something else to care?

    The silence and complete lack of action is an absolutely damning indictment of Irish society right up to the very recent past.

    We were well capable of protesting, shouting and forcing change on all sorts of other issues (especially political / nationalism related ones). Yet, when it came to an issue like this, nothing was done.

    I think Irish society has changed dramatically, and that the country has become a much more positive and open place over the last couple of decades. We are definitely more open-minded, more liberal and more willing to live and let live and far less under the thumb of religious conservatism. However, we still need to deal with the past.

    These women (and all the others who were abused by the system) deserve justice and should absolutely get it. However, I also think that we need to ensure that we make whatever changes to the legal system and also to how we think about society to ensure that this kind of horror can absolutely NEVER happen again.

    If we continue on without making those kinds of changes and without introducing absolute transparency in areas where there is any risk that the vulnerable could be enslaved, abused, or otherwise denied their fundamental rights, then we will continue to have disastrous situations like this destroying lives of our citizens.

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  • Funny enough, I watched the film titled “The Magdalene Sisters” two days ago. To tell you the least, I was horrified. I was also astonished at the attitude of parents. How could a parent treat their children like that whatever the church said or demanded? To be honest, the whole movie portraying the establishment and people living there reminded me of those documentaries portraying Nazi concentration camps. In other words, horror, and the film was about the 1960s? What was most awful is that, according to the people shooting it, that was the average situation around the country.

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  • What happened to the profits these laundries made for the catholic church? Is it true that they used some of them to build Galway Cathedral? If this is correct then isn’t it literally built on the back of slave labour?

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  • Nicko 19/09/12 #

    Sometimes a couple of words says it all.

    The B@stards

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  • In relation to the Magdalene Laundry operated by the Mercy Order in Galway, I regard it as inappropriate that Michael D. Higgins, the President of Ireland will be a guest of the Sisters of Mercy at their 75th anniversary celebration of their secondary school later this month. This order operated a Magdalene Laundry in the same city and features in the submission mentioned here. Those incarcerated in these Magdalene Laundries have received no apology nor any justice. I have written to the Mercy Order and received no reply.

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  • This is the same homophobic, misogynist, child-raping organisation that insists it can tell me right from wrong.

    Sickening.

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  • sid 19/09/12 #

    Kidnapped, beaten , starved and forced labour , all with a nod from the state government , police force and even the courts.
    Time to face up to our past and make amends with the victims

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  • Imagine the world we would live in if religion ceased to exist. I hope these victims get the justice they seek and the state accepts the part they played in ignoring this. JFM!

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  • It makes me want to believe in heaven and hell just so the people responsible burn in hell for all eternity . So called religious, they were monsters, moral guardians my arse

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  • These women were prisoners of the Catholic Church and ignored by the government. The decendents of those TDs who left these women to rot now queue up to suck up to their Church in their campaign to reopen the Vatican embassy.

    P.

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  • And the lands and buildings amassed by this use of unpaid, abused and imprisoned labour, are being put into trusts, as mentioned above to avoid paying compensation to any of the victims. Also in Dublin City the councillors, People Before Profit and many others, wanted to stop convent and brothers fields being zoned in a way that would allow them to be built on with housing. This is to retain some playing fields. Nuns brought the council to court and councillors wanted to fight it but the city manager refused. Again victory to the unaccountable religious orders.

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  • Sure doesn’t RTE still set its clocks to the angelus bell..and still refers to them as bishop this and reverend that..plus ca change…

    Electric pulpits?

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  • absolutely disgusting abuse ,how did they get away with this so long

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  • How anyone in this country can still follow the teachings of the catholic church and give money to support them is beyond me.

    The real sickening thing is that one of the organisations involved in the laundries is currently leading the campaign for banning prostitution for the good of women and immigrants. What would they know about what’s good for women?

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    • The Constitution says the woman’s place is in the home- that needs to specifically addressed, Ireland is already signed up to the Human Rights legislation. The Orders who did these things are not following the teaching of the Catholic Church either- the version of Catholicism this country has is a perversion of the teachings – but there are good people trying to change that, e.g The association of Catholic Priests- they need support.

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    • You misread the constitution. It says nothing of the sort. It recognises the importance of the work done in the home by a woman and guarantees that a woman should not have to feel the need to abandon this work due economic necessity. It is a positive right for women and discriminatory against men who wish to stay at home to mind kids or take care of the home.

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    • Sean Beag, the problem with that is how it was implemented: women were routinely let go upon marriage until the 1970s. It’s all very well saying that women have the right to stay home but it’s not really a right if there’s no choice involved either. You’re dead right saying it’s discriminatory, but I’d say against both men and women: personally, I think it should be scrapped altogether, but I’d be nearly as happy if it was changed to gender-neutral wording. As such, while the Constitution isn’t currently expressed or enforced in the same manner, it harks back to an earlier, more misogynistic time in the country’s history and should be changed on that count.

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  • The referendum on children’s rights should include one on women’s rights, so much corruption,since the birth of the State and no justice. This is a f***ked up Country. The citizens are also responsible as we turn a blind eye and do not hold those with power responsible. We all need to change.

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    • There should be no referendum on children’s or women’s rights. There should be one on human rights alone. Why should your rights change depending on your age or gender?

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    • Take your head out of your ass…your just an apologist for the catholic church in this country.Plus the ‘we all need to change bit’….You must have some circle dancing lessons to go to or some similar enlightening activity. Its a Childrens referendum on Childrens rights.Its long over due and it does not need to be diluted to include womens rights….they are seperate issues. Serial ‘stating the obvious’ is one of your more obvious talents. The additional S on the word talent in the last sentence may be a bit optimistic on my part.

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    • Aleo 19/09/12 #

      Grow up, Alyn. You prove nothing here except your readiness to insult people.

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  • We lived and still live in a deeply divided country.We are being raped and our country is being stolen from out under our noses.Ah still,it’ll be grand!!!!!

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  • When I was young there was a family living across the road from us , The mother of this family died, I think there were 3 very small girls in it, often they would arrive at our house half naked and starving my mam would feed them and give them clothes as on some days the poor kids did not even have underwear on , it was left to their Dad to look after them which he did not , he could not cope with them and after awhile it was heard that they were being taken from him as he was sexually abusing them, they were taken to Goldenbridge and all of our neighbours breathed a sigh of relief and said thank god the nuns will look after them well. My questions is were the girls better off or not??????????????

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  • It’s not called the Rescue Industry for nothing.

    Ruhama was set up by the exact same religious orders that are implicated in this submission, the intention was that it be used as a gateway to the laundries for any prostitute unfortunate enough to come into contact with them. Geraldine Rowley is herself a Good Shepard nun, a fact she likes to keep quite about these days when she’s campaigning for TORL

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  • Lincoln abolished slavery in the US back in 1865 . Good old Catholic Ireland decided to keep it up until the 1980s. It’s incomprehensible that successive Governments have avoided apologising for this atrocity.

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