The lunatics have taken over the asylum

Neither of the above. It’s €350k for you and all your neighbours (one of them recently painted their house, so everyone’s valuation has gone up).

This says more about the mindset of the drafters of the legislation than anything else.

Alien8

Is paint the coloured stuff developers used to cover pyrite cracks with?

Property tax is likely to abolished in the next election. It’s up to people to make it an election issue.

Mark, they will use the idea of scrapping it to get votes but won’t do it when they get into power. Look at FG’s election promises and compare to what they actually did.

Set out a timeline (e.g. on day 1 property tax will be abolished). Spending on entitlements / wages / grants would need to be reduced in order to compensate abolishing it. Similarly, rolling back tax breaks on the top 10% such as rebates on company cars, group companies, tax anomalies, the list goes on.

you should check the latest comparable house sold near you and base your valuation with that.

Neveralone

That would be none in the last 13 years. None have been sold in that time period. A few have been built. None of the houses are the same design, floor area or finish. Some are built to different building standards, pre 2002, 2002-2007 & since 2007. Some still have Section 30 conditions which state who they can and cannot sell the property too.

So Neveralone care to value them for me?

Brian hayes is an idiot with his head up his arse….all the time.

Eamonn

Brian Hayes actually refused to answer the questions Matt Cooper was asking. Matt even said 4 or 5 times Minister please answer the question I asked, or Minister you did not answer the question I asked.

So if a Government Minister refuses to answer question in a public forum where that Minister volunteered to take part in that public forum, what gives the Government the right to expect normal citizens to answer to them?

After all according to the Constitution, “All powers of government, legislative, executive and judicial, derive, under God, from the people, whose right it is to designate the rulers of the State and, in final appeal, to decide all questions of national policy, according to the requirements of the common good.”

Judge: “why didn’t you pay your property tax?”

TheJournal commenter: “Brian Hayes wouldn’t answer a question on Matt Cooper”.

Seems legit.

Ah here’s David B’astard, love child Enda & Michael.

What do you call a Government Minister who refuses to be accountable to the people?

Please, don’t feed it!
Please.

my favorite Brian Hayes clip; ‘someone could have been killed!’; his little face, ever pontificating about stuff he knows nothing about http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyKzzpW5O7s

Higgins to the rescue of The Coalition yet again!

The buyer will value it at the same value the previous owner did and pay the same property charge, it won’t make a blip on the radar in Revenue what so ever as by asking the buyer to dob in the previous owner they are straight up saying they have no resources (or a proper set up) to check this themselves. Thanks for the info Revenue.

“How will these families pay a house tax, or water charge.”

They won’t. They’ll be excused on the grounds of hardship.

Other people will pay their chunk for them. This is fair under socialism.

Adrian

FG’s way is if you don’t earn enough money to feed & house yourself, what gives you the right to feel entitled to food & housing?

Do you not understand the rules of entitlement? Only the rich are entitled to anything!

Only the rich are entitled to everything.

What you describe is indeed true ,Adrian. I am also self employed, I work tirelessly to bring in work in these difficult circumstances. Yet it seems I am an only doing so in order to pay up extra taxes and charges enforced by this government. I lie in bed at night asking myself if I mad or deluded or both. It’s not just the self employed that are being royally shafted by these idiots, every single person that get’s up off his/her ass to work is doing so in order to pay more and more taxes and charges for which we see no benefit. This Country is choking to death and these bloody idiots in charge are doing everything to encourage it.

Well said anthony..!!

To this day i can’t understand how the self employed aint entitled to dole if they go bust.
They create employment, they get no sick pay, they pay their employee’s PRSI, they collect VAT for the government etc etc.
yet, if they go wallop our beloved “Republic” tells them to go and f**k off if they look for assistance.
Banks screw us and generations yet to be born for thousands of millions and they get a blank cheque.
The local newsagent/greengrocer doesn’t get a bloody shilling.
It’s just wrong.

This property tax was conceived in the Ryanair school of economics.

Paul, at least Ryanair might get you somewhere

John,

I’ll give you fifty quid for it.

60 and its yours….

Deal.

Where is it?

Pierce

A correction Ryanair might get you NEAR somewhere.

However like Ryanair the current Government might get us near somewhere, but the somewhere is not where we actually want to go.

Of course!!!

Yes Stephen they will.

Government have retained the legal right to chase the estate of the dead person. So even the dead must pay tax!

Maybe Zombies are the only ones who don’t have to pay tax?

here’s an idea..join those of us who are against this unfair and unjust property tax and sign up to your local Campaign against Water and Household Tax. United we stand….

Enda Kenny said it was a Vampire tax

And We have issued numerous statements informing those we regretfully elected that We are Not accepting a property tax. The media needs to start reporting on behalf of its readers, and not our dictatorship government.

Best to ignore Stoolie Hayes and his informer’s charter. We are ruled by consent in a democracy and so any government can be removed if a large enough body of the citizens withdraw this consent. This can be done through mass peaceful civil disobedience. This process started last year when 700k Irish people refuse to pay the unjust Household tax. The protest will continue this year with a mass boycott of the Property Tax.
CAPTA , the Campaign Against Property Tax and Austerity (formerly the anti Household tax campaign) is organising the fight against this unjust tax and the austerity program generally being imposed on the Irish people to pay for the gambling losses of the financial speculators. Please go along to your local meetings and get involved.
http://nohouseholdtax.org/
If enough people can be mobilised to defeat the Property tax, water charges etc, the mandate of this government will have been withdrawn and they will fall.

Property Tax??
When are the government going to start calling it by its real names?
Namely
The tax that pays for the Corrupt/Criminal acts of Corrupt/Criminal elites.
Or
The Tax That Rewards Corruption/Criminality.
Or
The Criminal Banker Bonus Tax.
Or
The EuroPuppet Tax.
Or
The Seanie Fingers Tax.
Or
The Pat Neary Tax.
Or
The Deutsche Bank Tax.

GYM,
Absolutely agreed. The ‘Property tax’ is the government euphemism for a tax on the homes of the Irish people to cover the gambling losses of speculative financial capitalism.
Unfortunately however, the government and a largely compliant media have been successful in spreading their propaganda to large numbers of the population. Therefore we are using the term ‘Property tax’ as it is the name that people recognise and we want to attract their attention and get them involved.
It’s very well understood in the campaign that Property tax = Home Tax to bail out bust banks.

i was dissappointed that Matt Cooper didn’t put the boot in and ask Brian Hayes why the Fine Gael manifesto Feb 2011 contained a promise not to impose an annual recurring charge on the family home.

Don’t forget Bridget McCole. I’m pretty sure Michael Noonan has.

Con

Correct me if I am wrong but was it not FG who got us into this in the first place?

Time spent in government is no reflection of performance.

Just look at Fianna Fáil!!

It took FF 20 odd years to wreck the country and FG only 2!!!!

On the ball David FG are way better at wrecking it yeah!

Actually time spent in government is the only barometer of performance. A party performs well, they are re-elected. A party doesn’t perform well they are not re-elected.

I hear there’s a Universal Farting Charge in the offing.

The revenue office will probliby give tax guide lines to measure the farts per volume or the area of paint that fell off!

Actually no, most counties in the world have a property tax of some form in place already.

The police state that is working to rule? That one?

Hear hear

Save your own skin seems to be the order of the day, so rat them both out to revenue and you’ll be grand.

Catherine, the whole thing is half-baked. They are making up as they go along. What’s the bet they read comments on sites like these and go “Oh yeah, hadn’t thought of that scenario – must include that in the next bill”

the ding-dongs that “govern” this country are all school teachers, farmers, solicitors and publicans.
if they’re ministers it means they’ve been at the toadying game for that long that they don’t know which way is up, far less what it’s like to actually live in the real world.
TDs should be allowed stand for election for a max of 3 times, top civil servants should be rotated every 10 yrs.