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Column: We need to be more than passengers on the Eurozone Express

Let’s think seriously about what we want from the EU – before the thinking is done for us, writes Fine Gael TD Eoghan Murphy.

Eoghan Murphy Fine Gael TD for Dublin South-East

WHEN IRELAND EVENTUALLY signed off on the Lisbon treaty, the general conclusion at the time was that there would be little new on the horizon by way of further attempts to amend the functioning of the European Union. The internal navel-gazing was done for now and the immediate future would be spent examining the EU’s role in external affairs.

I guess the pundits were wrong.

It is a fact of our relationship with Europe now that we proceed by referendum. That on the main issues of the day we consult the people before we can continue.

We will be consulting them again in the near future, for it is certain that there is more to come in our quest to save the euro. But we don’t need to march blindly on, wondering what changes may come and then discussing them only at the last minute in the pressure of a referendum campaign, where other interests and other political motives come in to play.

A massive shift in the functioning of the EU is under way through current efforts to make the currency union a viable one. It’s time we started talking about the end game – what we believe it should be, and what we are willing to do to get there.

‘It’s time to figure out where we stand’

Without a vision, and without definite positions on key issues, we risk becoming a passenger on the eurozone express, rather than someone laying the tracks. The eventual risk is that we find ourselves being asked to go to a place that we’re not too happy about, only by then it’s a single track and there’s no way back.

Because of the referendum situation, the big questions must be answered by all of us. Now is the time to begin the discussion. We have room now, with the Stability Treaty passed and access to funding guaranteed post 2013.

We have our fiscal stability plan. But currency unions require more than that. Pooling our debt, possible direct interventions in banking systems, banking unions, all require more than that. They require more than just coherence in planning. They require coherence in fiscal instruments at the very least, if not some form of central control of the fiscal levers of the State, with fiscal transfers to boot.

So it’s time to figure out where we stand on some of our key taxation issues, if we’re to understand and help chart the right direction for the future of the eurozone. Because if we want to stay in it, we need to make sure that it’s going to work for us. When you look at the recent situation in Spain and their banking problem, this is exactly what they are doing: making it work for them. Germany has been doing it since day one.

(And yes they’re bigger powers than us. But the whole point of the European Union – it’s raison det’re – was to negate such conventional power imbalances and establish us as equals in a common purpose. How quickly that is becoming undone).

‘Which way would we go?’

For example, we need to really figure out where we stand on a Financial Transaction Tax. We say we will only move on this with the UK, because we don’t want to put our own financial services sector (30,000+ jobs) at a competitive disadvantage. But the UK are not inside the euro, so they’re not going to be asked the same questions as us. What if Germany and France decided to go a different way to the UK? Which way would we go?

Another example is our corporation tax. We say we will not budge on it as it is central to our economic planning, now and in the future. But can you have separate and distinct sovereign tax havens inside a single fiscal system? Isn’t that a contradiction?

Here’s another way of looking at it: would we give control of our corporate tax rate up (even if only to suffer a 0.5 per cent increase) if it meant a write-off of the legacy banking debt, some 68 billion? What if they threw in our public service pension liability too?

There are implications for the future of the euro in how we answer these questions, in the direction that current and new policies can take as our leaders attempt to maintain and strengthen the eurozone, and with us in it.

Better to prepare for them now, to prepare for ours and Europe’s future. Because a bigger referendum is surely to come. We need the euro to survive. But at what cost? It is time to start asking ourselves some honest questions about what we are willing to do to make sure that it does, and us with it. The end game is what’s important now.

Eoghan Murphy is the Fine Gael TD for Dublin South East.

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  • “Let’s think seriously about what we want from the EU”

    Justice Eoghan, thats what we want. Same thing we were promised your party would deliver. And you’re not fooling anyone. Your article was approved by party HQ prior to being published.

    You know ‘what we want from the EU’ because it was in your manifesto when the people of Ireland put you in power to deliver it.

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  • Anyone noticed that here’s the first careful mention of the possibility of increasing our corporate tax rate?

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  • Come Monday it won’t matter, the Greek vote will have the markets in turmoil. within weeks they will default, the contagion will spread to Spain and Italy. The whole lot , EU/Euro will go down in flames

    Mayan calendar anyone ????

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  • This is not the Europe that the people want or signed up for from the EEC days. Lets have a vote across Europe to see if the people want the Federalist state that is being proposed by the Europhiles. As the saying goes never loose the opportunity of a good crisis. The Euro as a project has not worked due to its flawed design and more integration will not work. Get the message Eoghan we as European citizens do not want to become more German we want to remain within Europe but as nation states.

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    • The end is here. Not much point talking about a European vision if it will not exist shortly. I hope our great and glorious leaders have plan B at the ready. It would also be nice , for a change if our so called leaders tried to lead. what a novel idea that would be. After all that’s what you promised us when we voted you guys and girls in, and all we got is a bunch of yes men and a mountain of broken promises and lame excuses . So maybe we should be discussing what we Will do when the euro falls apart and not fantasy world.

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    • Well put Dave, you said it all.

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    • The European Union has far more good then bad. Unfortunatly politicians always present the unpopular as Europe and the good stuff as their genius. People should remember that before the EU it was a serious war in Europe every generation, the last couple in living memory. I also remember pay inequality, and a raft of legistation not allowing devorce or equal rights for the gay community. I also remember a state protected airline that charged three weeks wages too fly to London, that was stopped because of competition law. I also remember intrest rates at a standard 10% and on one occasion whiile Bertiie was Finance Minister as high as 16%. What would moortagages look like at 10% because with the break up of the Euro thata is what will happen.. There is a lot of good in Europe and the idea is sound and just because you co operate with neighbours does not mean you become them. Manyy of our tech jobs are dependent on European membership because the have access to the big markets. So before slagging of everything European just stop and look at Ireland in the fifties and you will get an idea of how Ireland looked.

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  • Jesus Christ …this is an unbelievable article…you talk about ‘pressures at the last minute in referendums’…?..
    You lot inserted the gun to the head clause in the recent referendum.
    You say we ought to have vision???..it seems the only ‘vision’ your leader has is that of a chicken in headlights…
    You then go on to talk about ‘being asked to go to a place that we’re not happy about ‘…well we WERE asked and with a gun to our head from your pathetic leader , we have arrived to the afformentioned place your referring to…
    ‘pooling our debt’?.. let me tell you ..there isn’t enough money left in the pot for us..
    Where we should go ?..in the complete opposite way of your totally lame party leader and his cronies..
    Now Eoghan , put away your weekend excercise book and go follow blindly for as long as it suits you…
    Unbelievable..

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  • They only referendum we should have is to get you lot out of government

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  • You’d miss out on your tax free salary and expenses Nessa if the whole thing comes to an end. Spoken like a true insider.

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  • Stability me Bollox!! The wealthy elite are shitting themselves!! I’m voting no to everything from now in! This whole things a massive con, designed to make the corrupt wealthy even wealthier!

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  • more drivel from party headquarters!!!…..the grass is getting longer by the day Eoghan, for lying to the people your party will be put to bed with FF…..then we will move on!!!

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  • Thumbs up Dave ! This federalism stuff was not on the original agenda I voted for. The E.U I’m OK with if the Eurocrats adopted a new word called democracy and obviously not the kind the FG crowd sell us with only one tick box on the form – and a u-turn on every election promise. The use of the express train analogy is a good one, fools rush in !

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  • This is too serious to make a comment about when finishing a bottle of German red wine. I shall respond tomorrow, ye of little faith or intellect, shall then appreciate why WW2 Is not yet over

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  • Dump the euro.
    Bring back the punt
    Align it with sterlin
    Renegotiate a political arrangement with UK
    You wiil then be a member of political and currency union of longstanding which WORKS …..and where you can have some influence…..you have NONE. within Euroland

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    • We can’t unilaterially align any new punt with any currency because the markets won’t buy it and we wouldn’t have the ability to keep it pegged. And the idea that the UK would agree to some form of political arrangement with us to do that is pure fantasy. The UK is in an economic hole as it is. It’s just not gettting any attention because the markets are focused on Euope.

      A new punt means massive devaluation, higher inflation, higher mortage rates, banking default, wipeout of savings and no economic gain because the cost of our imports will more than offset any gains made by cheaper exports.

      A new punt is the road to disaster and I’m tired of people here pretending that we can just introduce a new currency overnight and suddenly everything will be fine.

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    • You miss the point Jim…..It’s not unilateral…it’s bilateral..the UK and Ireland are each other’s biggest customers with a shared interest in eack other’s economic future.

      Currently a revived punt would float at about £0.65….ir would increase in value as exports to the UK increased…you have lost big chunks of your UK market because the Euro has priced you out of it….suggest you take a look sometime at UK mainland supermarkets….you will finf that Irish produdts on display come from Northern Ireland generally.

      A revived punt appreciating against the Euro would rapidly diminish Euro debt.

      The alternative is to take on more bailouts…
      More austerity…with ZERO influence on policy…still it’s your bankruptcy not mine…keep your head firmly burief in the sand.

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    • censored 19/06/12 #

      We already tried this with the act of union and that worked so well that we are the only country in Europe with a lower population today than in 1801. Imbecilic!

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  • I presume that the author of this article, by stating his political affiliation, clearly knew the reaction he would get through publishing his article on this website. I only wonder whether his motivations were driven by masochism or evangelicalism.

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  • Pollyanna!

    But he’s in the right constituency for such ludicrous views. “Viable monetary union” is no longer a possibility. Any moves to federalise EU in the depths of a growing recession are both futile and self-destructive. So, as an opponent of this Greater German Permanent Austerity Sphere, I suppose I should be cheering him on…

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  • You say we should not be passengers in the European project, yet that is what you have reduced Ireland too by refusing even to request a write-down/off of Ireland’s Troika debt. You say we need a new Treaty to save the Euro. Surely saving the Irish economy should be the first and foremost consideration of the Irish government, rather than the preservation of a doomed currency? Events in Spain in recent days have shown that it is the ECB that is forcing member states to bail out bondholders, and confirms what Micheal Martin said about why his government did so. It is part of a gameplan whereby Germany forces member states to make banking-debt part of the sovereign debt, allowing them to blackmail member states into ‘ever closer union’.

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  • The euro currency was never going to work, because situations in every country are very different, for example some countries have the ability to sell stuff, and another doesn’t, one country has high unemployment, another doesn’t. Ireland has had to sell off it’s assets, because of the bank debt, so what more do we sell, is it prevents us from getting the economy going. All nations are different in character, and have their own ways of doing things, so a federal europe would never work. The idea of the euro was good in that if people went to a country inside the eu, it meant that they didn’t have to change their currency like in the old days, but it only benefitted for that purpose, and that alone.

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  • Is the image on this article the Gravy Train Nessa Childers catches to Brussels every week?

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  • I await an article from the left condemning the whole European project any minute now journal…

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  • First balanced comment from a TD in a long time re our future in Europe.

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    • That doesn’t seem to have registered. And for those of you making personal attacks against me, it won’t get us anywhere.
      This is a Fine Gael TD. But he is saying something unusual. That is why I responded. I am generally very concerned about the policies of that party.
      FYI . I do pay tax. Go to my website and every tedious detail is there on the front page!

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  • Good article, Eoghan. It has the virtue of being the truth.

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    • “We need the Euro to survive.”
      Who needs the Euro to survive? Fianna Fail, Fine Gael & Frankfurts way! Ireland will still be here when the Euro is a distant memory.
      We’re getting ye’re scare mongering in early this time. Thank god we ratified the “stability” treaty. It worked out a treat for Greece & Spain.
      The fact is the Euro has already failed. It’s stinking corpse needs to be removed, so we can begin to return to growth.

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    • $6 trillion printed since 2008. The establishment are so wedded to the Euro they see no other way forward other than printing more money and adding more debt to the unprecedented pile of debt. Europe is already set up as a tinderbox for inflationary wildfires. We are headed for the 21st century version of the Weimar republic. This time encompassing all of Europe.
      Adeneur and Erhard had the courage and wisdom to replace the failed Reiches Mark with the Deutchesmark. Unfortunately, current European leaders lack the same wisdom and courage. Ordinary citizens will suffer until they’re found.http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE85C07220120613?irpc=932

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    • Labour MEP backs up FG TD on social media. Actually couldn’t make this stuff up. You lot couldn’t give a flute about normal working people. You’re a disgrace, disgusting bunch of people. Do you even know who Connolly and Larkin are Nessa?

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    • Someone from the largest party in Government is thinking clearly and is brave enough to state it. To be honest the who Euro project is a mess and was so badly thought out in the first place. What is to be done about it? The band aid and sticky plaster isn’t working so far.

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  • TooTrueLeft I presume by referring to Angela Merkel as ‘Our Dear Leader’ you are trying to make a comparison between her and Kim Jong Il? Do you not think that’s a fairly unintelligent comment to make?

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