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Residents take their campaign online to highlight dangers of unfinished site

A large hole remains in the Oranhill estate in Oramore, Co Galway, despite lying vacant since 2007.

The unfinished site in the Oranhill estate.
The unfinished site in the Oranhill estate.
Image: YouTube screengrab

THE RESIDENTS OF an estate in Oranmore, Co Galway, have taken their safety concerns online after 18 months of frustration.

The Oranhill Estate, which was built in 2002, has been the site of a large hole for the last six years which is up to five metres deep in places.

Jill Holtz, a member of the residents committee, told TheJournal.ie of their collective frustration at the lack of progress regarding the issue.

“We’ve been trying for 18 months at this stage,” she said. “We’ve written to everybody.”

In addition to the danger posed by the hole, a footpath was also removed as a result of works, which has left residents with no option but to cross the road on what Holtz described as a “blind bend”.

Planning permission extended

R G Greene & Associates, who own the site, had been granted planning permission for a crèche, medical office and shop with underground parking.

Despite no work having been carried put since 2007, the planning permission was extended in 2011, in a move which Holtz says has made it even more difficult for residents to have the site made safe.

An engineers report of the site which the residents commissioned in 2012 found it to be unsafe and recommended that it be filled in.

Having failed to make progress over the last 18 months, Oranmore residents have now taken their campaign online, with a YouTube video and a dedicated website, along with a Facebook page and Twitter account.

“What do you do if nothing is being done and you’re told it’s private land,” Holtz said.

“It might be one hole in one estate but it’s indicative of a bigger problem,” she said, before adding: “We recognise we’re not alone in this regard.”

When TheJournal.ie contacted the office of R G Greene & Associates, we were told that Mr Greene could not be contacted at that address.

Further calls and emails went unanswered.

The Director of Service, Planning & Human Resources for Galway County Council, Kevin Kelly, could not be reached either.



(The Stewart Family/YouTube)

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Comments (33 Comments)

  • My brother lives there and it’s not ‘just a hole’, it’s a Crater.

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    • They have probably tried this route already but just in case, have they contacted the building enforcements department in the council and get them to take legal action on behalf of residents?

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  • It’s not a hole, it’s a chasm!
    If you watch the video you see that the “hole” goes at least 1 storey below ground level although it’s possibly 2. It appears to be that the foundations were laid for an underground carpark and then it was boarded up.

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  • Its too far from election time to get anything done.

    Wait until the general elections, then try and yourselves on the radio (national&local) and in the newspapers.

    Watch the politicians fall over themselves to get their picture taken with the hole and make promises to get such a disgrace sorted!

    Its actually quite unlikely they’ll do anything, but its your best shot.

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    • unfortunately if we wait for an election there is a good chance that someone might die, someone crashed into the hole last year and it was only by sheer lucky they did not go over the side, we also live in fear that a child may go exploring and get hurt or killed this hole is full of water at the lower end and after the accident in athlone almost 12 months ago we are worried of a similar scenario.

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  • Mack 25/01/13 #

    Wouldn’t cry wolf with the missing child, if fire engines and search and crescent turn up every kid will be over, it wont be long till some kid would think that would be cool and climb down it.

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  • I hope someone looks into it.

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  • So sick of attitudes of some Journal commenters.
    “It’s your own fault for moving there”
    “Why should my tax fix your private problem”
    “Fix it yourself”

    Get a grip and show some empathy. No one asks to live in a dangerous area, the video is to put pressure on the developer to rectify his dangerous mistake. Your anti government mentality is all well and good but it gets to the point where you need to stfu and look at things from a different angle, not just hate and spitefulness.

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  • Hoax calls to the Gardái. Waste Gardái Time. Hoax calls to the Fire Brigade. Again waste of their time and as far as I am concerned it is unlawful to do so. But to pretend that a child is missing that really is the worst suggestion to try and sort any problem and anyone foolish enough to make these calls should get jail
    If there is a battle to be fought I believe in always fighting a honest clean battle and Never use your child/children in the middle… If you have children I fear for them

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  • They might do something about it after a child drowns…..or someone gets killed on the road. Thats what it takes in this country to get anything done!

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  • As far as I know the developer who owns the land is simply gone, he’s no money anyway. The developer of the surrounding mostly finished estate (phase 1) left the place in shite!! The councils attitude towards anything regards this area is to wait until the developer gets his funding in order to begin subsequent phases of the development, they even built a roundabout to nowhere on the N18 for him, it’s not going to happen….

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  • Same situation happened in Pawnee Indiana with someone should contact Councilwoman Knope to she if she could help move this along.

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  • You see a hole, I see a free community swimming pool…

    Glass half full people!!

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  • Can someone create a website, http://www.potholeireland.ie. and http://www.holethatisireland.ie. just for the people coming to “The Gathering”

    At least they could see what they are coming to.

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  • What’s gets me about this type of thing is that people want private ‘mistakes’ fixed with ‘public’ money. Where will it stop? I don’t like the rented accommodation I am in but I cannot afford better. I am in this position due to choices I alone made. What council or government agency will help me? None.
    If these houses had increased in value owners would be laughing all the way to the bank, as I’m sure they hoped.
    Caveat Emptor, you win some, you loose some. No one held gun to their head to buy in an unfinished estate, they must now live with their decisions and get on with it.

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    • Mc 25/01/13 #

      Oh Shaun Shaun Shaun. It’s the residents own tough luck that they bought in an unfinished estate?, it will also be there own tough luck if a child gets hurt or killed in the hole?? I’m sure it’s just tough luck too if they get run over by a car because the footpath was taken away (after they bought their homes)?? In fact Shaun why are the residents of oranhill even raising their concerns, the poor developers can’t be held responsible surely!!?? In fact I hope all this publicity doesn’t interrupt their well deserved rest in the Algarve!

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    • Mc, the developers will never be held to account financially as they are broke. Any fix will come out of public purse.

      Many people are living in accommodation which is far from ideal, on main roads with kids, balconies with kids, lack of outdoor space etc etc but as I said the majority have no developer to blame for their choices so must live with them.

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    • Mc 25/01/13 #

      Completely agree that there are people in terrible situations out there but this campaign is about highlighting the developers and the mess they left behind. Maybe nothing will come from it but I have to give the residents credit for not just sitting back, putting up with it and saying nothing….which is what we all usually do.

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    • Shaun – the problem here is that the a public body granted an unconditional PP extension to the applicant. I think it’s fair to say that there’s no immediate appetite for development at the moment. Having PP enhances the value of the site and it should have been a condition of the permission that the site be made safe. Or perhaps this comes under building control enforcement.

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  • It’s an awful situation, but I’m not sure rolling your kids out and pretending it’s their voice is the right thing to do either.

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  • Why don’t they fill in the hole themselves?

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    • I agree. If they genuinely thought it was such a problem they would all come together in the community and fix the problem instantly.

      Shut your moany mouths, Roll up your sleeves,get your community out, fix it.

      And think about the fact that you have great houses with clean running water and all those facilities and be glad of it.

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    • it’s not their land or property to touch. the issue of the footpath i would imagine is the responsibility of the council. it would cost lots to fix the problem and at the end of the day is not the residents responsibility but unfortunately they have to live with it. fair dues to the journal for sharing the story and lets hope someone is shamed into taking action.

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    • Stephen 25/01/13 #

      Yea, everyone grab a spade and start filling it in! It’ll be a beautiful park with a duck pond and a playground, easily within 15-20 years. @ John Stone, you’re away with the fairies!

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    • John and Stephen, ,
      The community can do NOTHING about this because, if you had read the article and watched the video you would know that this is PRIVATE PROPERTY. They can do nothing on private property except what the owner, who seems to have disappeared, gives them permission to do. In the meantime it has been years since anything was done by the admittedly broke owner of the property, except dig a hole and start on the next phase. When you buy into such a community you are shown an artist’s concept of what the finished project will look like and the time span it is going to be finished in. That is what the community people bought into. They have every right to complain and demand that something be done about this. That is their only course of action as well as suing the owner of the property, which I believe they should be looking into, as that would put something legal on record.

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    • Stephen 25/01/13 #
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  • People like to bltch and moan about everything the government does. Ironic to see them still expect the government to pay for everything, sort out everything. This hole in on private land. Why should public money be used to fix it.

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    • Mc 25/01/13 #

      Joe have you actually seen the hole and where it’s located? It’s not about getting the public to pay for it, it’s about getting the government to put pressure on the developers to sort their mess out! Of course that won’t happen but don’t knock people for at least getting off their ass and trying to do something.

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    • Also the road right next to this hole will become a relief road for the surrounding road network in oranmore (which is badly needed) a deal which was struck between the council and the developer. Ownership was supposed to be handed over to the council upon completion, that never happened, council don’t want to know about it until then….

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  • Firstly, if these three kids, aged 7, 10 and 11 managed to supposedly make this film, surely they could hammer a few nails in to block up those holes.

    Secondly, as Shaun the Sheep said, those people chose to take the risk to move into an unfinished site. Yes, it’s terrible that the place has been left in such a state but there are thousand of similar situations around the country, not that that makes it any better for our creative pre-teen film makers and their parents took the risk of moving in there.

    The sad truth is that the people in this situation will, like thousands of families around the country, have to wait until the devious gits in control of Ireland firstly buy up all these holes in the ground and ghost estates then sell them off at massively reduced prices so as to make a fortune for themselves. The only question is how long communities have to put up with the eyesores and how many kids have to injure or kill themselves before this happens.

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    • People didn’t move into a half built estate. If you watched the film you’ll see that the estate was built in 2002 and this hole was started in 2007.

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    • Exactly, it was a large green area when the estate was built. In 2007 when phase one was complete the whole area was looking good and relatively tidy, since then however the developer has used the area as his own dumping ground for his building shit as it’s his land… Hence, the unkempt look….

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