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Progress being made on ghost estates

Minister Jan O’Sullivan said today that some estates are finished and hundreds more are being worked on – but some will have to be demolished.

A ghost housing estate Cnoc an Iuir, Drumshanbo, Co. Leitrim
A ghost housing estate Cnoc an Iuir, Drumshanbo, Co. Leitrim
Image: Mark Stedman

PROGRESS IS BEING made on ghost estates around Ireland, according to the Minister with responsibility for housing and planning. Jan O’Sullivan.

Last week it was announced that 12 apartment blocks outside Longford within a ghost estate are to be demolished.

Minister O’Sullivan confirmed that further estates could be demolished or partly demolished, but said that work is being done on estates that can be saved.

A new report from Department of the Environment says there are more than 2000 ghost estates, some of which present serious public safety problems.

Progress

Speaking on Morning Ireland today, Minister O’Sullivan said the estates “vary around the country”.

She said that since the amount of ghost estates was established, a coordinating committee was set up with representatives from all the interested parties, such as the local authorities, NAMA, housing agencies, financial institutions and residents.

“What we are doing really is working through all those individual estates and categorising them,” said Minister O’Sullivan, explaining that once that has been done then action will be taken to make them liveable in or see what else can be done about them.

She said that in some situations the estates “may not be viable and will go back to agricultural use”.

I expect that there will be some that have to be demolished or part of some.

Safety issues

The government has set aside €5million to address safety issues at these estates.

So far, 211 estates are now completed, and there is work ongoing on 500, while NAMA are also working on over 100 ghost estates.

A further report on the estates is due in the autumn.

Minister O’Sullivan described the estates as a “legacy issue from the collapse of the Celtic tiger”. She described it as an “ongoing process” and said that the resolution they want to achieve is to make as many as possible viable.

It will take a year or more to resolve many of the more difficult ones

Portarlington

Senator John Whelan described an unfinished apartment block in Portarlington as an “awful eyesore” in the town.

Margaret Guijt-Lawlor from Portarlington, who was involved in the campaign to pull the building down, spoke to TheJournal.ie about the issue.

She said that they had been campaigning for two years and that the building should “never have gotten permission”. She described the recent progress on the issue:

The land is currently being greened over. We came in afterwards and planted some of it up. That whole area is a bit of an issue because only 12 of the houses were sold at the time, affordable housing and council housing. So it’s a tricky estate. But at least that building came down – it was dangerous in the sense that it was open and children could get into it, it should never have gotten planning permission and it was an eyesore.

- Additional reporting Susan Ryan

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Comments (24 Comments)

  • any apartment in a ghost estate outside in a rural area needs to be demolished, apartments have no place in rural areas. knock them and leave the houses in the ghost estate and landscape up the areas where the apartments have been demolished or add playgrounds.

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    • Ii’m agree with you ,also make it law in planning to have all the amenity’s there before they ever start building houses again anywhere in this country , like they do in Canada ,and in other parts of Europe ,this should have never happened, it was all greed ,and corruption with local government , planning . and of course our very nice boys at the top ,who could not give a fiddlers fart about the people of this country , well i could not give a continental fart for then either . i will never vote for any of them again not till they start working for the people of this country ,good god this is what we pay them for anyway , they should be sacked or should only be paid on performance only ,flat wage till they are trained to do the job , then they can have there bonus like the rest of us.a good days work for a good days pay , and stop feeding us this crap as if anyone believes them .naffers the lot of them . I’m proud to Irish and ashamed of this lot that are running the country so badly . god help us all from them ,will it ever get better i can only wish what happened to the new Ireland is this it , no thanks i want the old one back .

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  • When you consider the waste and the misallocation of resources that all these represent, compounded by Brian Lenihan and FF bailing out the developers behind most of these, with tax payers cash, then hiring them as consultants with tax payers cash, while ordinary people live on pence and are booted out of their own homes and suffer from the economic collapse.

    To be a member of that party, to vote for them, is to be the lowest form of life that can be found in the gutter.

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  • I know of loads of apprentices that cant finish there time cause theres no work!get them in and give them an extra few pound on there dole and sign them off on there apprenticeship.

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    • and it would cost less than pulling them down, and give people work that is badly needed and give people hope , why cant fas do this for Christ’s sake give people a reason to get up in the morning and live it would be good training for men and woman and show these naffers what we can do , damn good idea ,you have there , lets get this show on the road , but will they listen ,

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  • I realise a fair amount of these estates are in the middle of a field with no amenities and do therefore not qualify for proper housing.
    However a lot more estates could easily be used to reduce the vast numbers of people on housing lists and also the huge amount of people being paid rent supplement.
    Surely at the very least each estate should be surveyed and a report drawn up as to their suitability for the above purpose? Individual county councils would engage in both of labour to complete task and actually housing some of the many people on their lists.
    It should also be a condition that the labour used to accomplish the task MUST come from the many skilled folk who are on the dole , it’s a win win scenario. Sadly this would involve inter action between various differing governmental depts at once and we are fairly crap at this in this country. For once though let’s make it happen!!

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    • That’s exactly what they’re doing- the Longford estate is in the middle of a field with no amenities.

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    • mel 05/07/12 #

      Why MUST the labour come from people on the dole.These people lost their jobs through no fault of their own they are simply getting back some of the tax that they would of paid over the years
      If you want the houses to be finished then PAY them the going rate and give them some dignity

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    • I agree with you on principle, that it’s a shame to have a large housing list and empty houses.

      However, how can we expect to get people back to work if we transport them to locations with more dwellings than there is people who want to live there?

      You could be talking about about transporting 100 families from Cork, Dublin, Galway, Limerick or Waterford to a town in the middle of Leitrim.
      - The ghost estate would become a defacto council estate
      - There would be no jobs for these people to go to, and no hope of work in the next 10 years
      - There is no guarantee that the infrastructure was ever in place to support the would-be residents of the ghost estates. You could be talking a 2 room school that would be inundated with kids
      - Boredom in a small town could mean only one thing for the parents: depression and/or alcoholism.
      - Eventually criminality would creep in for a minority of the frustrated forgotten/ignored class living in the areas.

      Like I said, I agree on principle, but in reality these estates should never have been built. Long distance commuting is no longer viable (was it ever?) due to petrol prices, so sticking social housing into these developments will create a horrendous social deficit in years to come. You’d be laying the foundations for multiple no-go areas in the future.

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  • mel 05/07/12 #

    And yet not one planner will be sacked or councillor
    And yet the council still have the same amount of people working in the planning offices twiddling their thumbs!!

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  • Thank you Fianna Fail.

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  • Living in a ghost estate and I would like to find out if my estate is on this list? We’re can I find that out??

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  • I’d hardly call that progress.

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  • We could have used the billion handed over to bondholders last week to take 10,000 construction workers off the dole to finish the most viable of these estates, then offered the houses to rent to couples who are being refused mortgages but have jobs, providing an ongoing stream of revenue for the state.

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  • i read this while admiring my glorified chicken coop that i proudly bought during the boom. Wouldnt mind as much if it was built right but a one legged koala bear would have done a better job.

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  • The only time they’ll be justifiably able to say ‘progress’ is being made is when

    1. The run down, dangerous estates built in flood plains and so forth are bulldozed

    2. the semi-complete estates are brought up to scratch and have people on social housing lists housed in them and the same done with the already habitable estates

    3. the crooks who rezoned the land for brown envelopes are jailed

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  • what about all the unfinished estate that aren’t “technically” ghost estates as laid down by the super strict criteria the government set. The developer of my unfinished estate went missing with all the money he made 7 years ago. In the meantime the receiver has been in “negotiations” with kildare county council since then with neither side willing or wanting to solve the problem!

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  • These estates should be used for municipal housing. County councils would then have a means to create employment and generate income from rented units. Local housing projects, would give people so many benefits and these resources shouldn’t be wasted so as to keep other house prices artificially high. I agree those that invested in homes at the peak have lost so much but destroying these estates is biting our nose off to spite our faces. Unfortunately 5 years have passed and still nothing done more than the making of a list, while many valuable properties that we have already paid for are wasted by the state.

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  • Knock them down,take the hit (which has already been taken). Once the over supply has been reduced, house prices will rise again because demand will be there. Obviously not at the same rate by any means in the past. The desolate ghost estates only become eye sores and drag prices down in the area!

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  • J white 05/07/12 #

    the estate they are talking about in portarlington is not fit for purpose and should be demolished.They should look to rehouse the current residents, social and private. Currently majority of the empty units have been broken into stripped of anything valuable such as copper boilers and radiators. Due to this there has been leaks in allot of them which are now covered in black mold which is a health risk to all its residents and their children. There are also a few of them the the ceilings have fallen down. then the apartments that have been left open are now attracting anti social behaviour in the estate. the roads are another problem as many residents have had damage to their cars as the man holes are not level with the road. the list goes on and on.

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  • One sure fire way to ensure that those of us who were priced out of the property boom and now squeezed by the credit crunch will never be able to own our own homes.

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