I agree Thomas , surely the suggestion of the Amnesty automatically means that those seeking one , enter into a method & plan to repay.
Just as happened in the various Tax Amnesty Schemes implemented by the Revenue Commissioners in the 80′s , 90′s & 2000’s .
These schemes were hugely successful in their day & never ever meant that the guilty party got away with not paying back the tax unpaid – if I recall , they also paid interest on what was due too.

They do now and are bringing it in gradually. It’s a chip, picture and signature card.

Thats called a job

I think that in order to get a social welfare payment, some hours of community servive should be done. I’m saying a minimal amount, 10-15 hours a weeks. its gets them out of the house and giving back to the community.

So Cormac, what community service should a 80 year old do, or a child with a disability, just curious as you have put so much thought into it.

You’re describing a CE scheme. Anyone claiming for 3 months has to take a place on one or a FAS course. If they refuse their dole is stopped.

Mark
what about child care ? if people have a properly paid job they can usually pay for childcare but if they have to work for the benefits most have already paid into , who will look after the children ? Or do you suggest that the children work with them ?

As your so sickened you have done your civil duty and reported it to the relevant authorities with all the evidence you have obtained, haven’t you?

Pure BS, there’s a cap of 400 a month on rent allowance. The landlord would have to say the rent is 350 less, not 200 more

Sean, agree with most of what you say but I’m confused by your definition of “single mother”. You say “the father of the kids is a plumber living with them” Therefore how is she a single mother?

Donal, what planet do you live on, JESUS!!!!!

so the general feeling is that its ok to moan and bitch about social welfare/taxation fraud but not to do anything about it ……I wonder why, would it have anything to do with people in glasshouse syndrome?

Now Sean cases like that don’t really happen, well at least that’s what Im told when i mention cases like that i also know of plenty of people like that and your told by the bleeding heart brigade then that everyone on sw is in dire straits.

Jason, what is your definition of a single parent? Mine is close to this from Wikipedia: “A single parent is a parent, not living with a spouse or partner, who has most of the day-to-day responsibilities in raising the child or children”.

My own mother is a single parent. She’s not married to my father, I’m her only child and we have always lived together. Neither my mother or myself have ever lived with my father. Until I turned 18 she was the only adult in our household.

To say that two parents who co-habit in a loving relationship caring for children that they have had together are “single parents” simply because they never married is a very bad definition. I’m sure the mother and father involved would not describe themselves as single parents.

People found to be defrauding the system should be cut off, no ifs ands or buts.

What do you say? Ah do not understand you. You are racist. Ah do not work in taxi.

Burton has a face I’d like to hit with a bag of broken hammers

That’s your assumption of someones else’s assumptions, bit like chinese whispers, the truth gets lose in the process. it’s all well and dandy but these comments label and stereotype everyone who is in receipt of welcome payments not to mention those who are unemployment, I’m always fascinated by people who are so judgemental about people they dont know, haven’t even met but are so confident that they know them so well they are able to pass judgement with such confidence and clarity.

that statement needs further clarification

Sorry but when mainstream are dodging these elephants I will thread softly.

You didn’t go there, did you? Criticising Sinn Fein and their completely different policies a few miles North? Well this is awkward… If I were you, I would duck for cover. Its like being in Germany and mentioning the war! ><

I understand it now. It makes perfect sense. What they’re aiming for is an inverted version of the Korean model. A capitalist Northern Ireland and a hardline socialist Republic of Ireland. I wonder will they practice what they preach and let the state keep their salaries next month?

Just like the present Government, saying one thing in opposition and doing the complete opposite in power. Just the nature of political process and we buy into it every time, so they are all the same, both hypocritical in their own way.

That we do. And the funny thing is, if they don’t lie and promise us the sun, moon and stars we won’t vote for them. I would suggest hating both the player and game in this instance.

or that there is no further fraud, thereby saving money

This sense of entitlement comes from the top down. Irish politicians legally defraud the state with the aid of legislative instruments and continue to enjoy an Irish style amnesty where salary, pensions and ridiculous entitlements are concerned.

The fish rots from the head according to the Russians, however in Ireland, according to our elected reps, it rots from the tail.

It appears so very easy to rally the Irish electorate against those residing at the lower end as the Irish electorate generally lacks the sand it takes to address the hard targets that reside at the top. You’re being robbed blind by the very folk that tell you you’re being robbed blind.

@ My Dod Barks Some. You nailed the point. Thank you.

Where’s this data from?

You must be a Shinner – a normal person could not be that stupid.

You are wrong. Social Welfare fraud is huge between people working and claiming and those claiming that are not looking for work. Social Welfare is a temporary payment for those on between jobs and seeking work. It is not a charitable payment for nothing.

Toby what was the percentage of people on the dole when their was work in this country.What was the state defrauded by.Now what is the percentage of people on dole since their is no work and i can say you would be doing well to defraud the system now.The problem was BerTie bought votes and threw money at those on welfare created a system that you could be getting funds from all kind of stupid schemes they had going mis mangement and a carefree attitude by decision makes yet again overpaying people on dole and now chasing it down when benefits are slashed everyone is broke reeks of more incompetence .Why dont they track down all the poles that were flying over and back to collect their welfare even though they were living in Poland paying for kids of immigrants that lived here but their kids lived abroad 100 milllon there anyway nah they’d rather go after their own for their own f-=ups in the past.

Quick answer is that I don’t know. I accept that there is less work but don’t accept this as an excuse for not looking for work. If people are on a Jobseekers payment shouldn’t they be seeking jobs? They are being paid to.

No Toby, you are wrong, Social Welfare payments are not all temporary payments, anyone who actually thought about it would be aware that some welfare payments are not temporary, old age pension, child benefit, disability payments are not necessarily temporary. The only temporary payments are those for unemployment etc, if you are going to comment please dont be lazy and trot out the usual old right wing stereotype that all social welfare recipients are defrauding the state, enage your brain and think about the subject.

If your on jobseekers then i agree you should be looking for Work Toby.Social welfare is not all about unemployment it is a structure to cater for the need for those who aree incapable for set out reasons of supporting themselves who Government deem are not able to enhance their lives our childrens without funding .Giving them the funding to support themselves and their children a chance to further themselves in the future and create social harmony .Government encouraged welfare fraud with the system thy put in it was internationally known this was a country in a boom and they were throwing money away to everyone and people came and raped the system.Due to gross mis management the kitty is empty that does not mean they should go after irish people who were overpaid by 10 15euro for 5 10 yrs leaving it accumulate and then slapping someone with a 15 20 grand recoup driving them further into debt .There was huge welfare fraud and most of it has left the country and that is the reality.

yea yea yea and your unicorn business is doing a blinder