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BBC presenter Paxman hits out at Tony Blair over potato famine ‘apology’

The Newsnight presenter has criticised the former British Prime Minister for his supposed apology for the Irish potato famine.

Jeremy Paxman in 2009
Jeremy Paxman in 2009
Image: Wikimedia Commons

BBC NEWSNIGHT PRESENTER Jeremy Paxman has hit out at former British prime minister Tony Blair over his supposed apology for the potato famine in Ireland in the 19th century.

In a wide ranging interview with the Radio Times, the television star who is famed for his grilling of politicians, has plenty to say about the organisation he works for likening the BBC to “the last echoes of empire” according to a report in The Telegraph.

But he also takes aim at Blair – Britain’s prime minister from 1997 to 2007 – and says that the man who played a key role in the brokering of the Good Friday Agreement was guilty of “moral vacuousness” in apparently apologising for Britain’s role in the famine:

You should apologise for things that you have done, that you recognise that perhaps you shouldn’t have done or regret. But apologising for things that your great, great, great, great-grandfather or grandmother did, seems to me a complete exercise in moral vacuousness.

But the Guardian’s Nicholas Watt has done some digging and reckons that Paxman may have got it wrong.

He reports that Blair’s statement, that was read out at a concert in Cork marking the 150th anniversary of the famine in 1997, did not explicitly apologise for the famine.

Rather the current Middle East envoy said that the fact Ireland had gone through a famine which killed one million people was something “that still causes pain as we reflect on it today” and added: “We must not forget such a dreadful event.” There was no explicit apology.

Watt goes on to say that rather than “moral vacuousness” as Paxman claims, the move was “highly calculated” in that the “gesture on the famine was a small, but important, step” in helping to secure an IRA ceasefire and ultimately a peace agreement in the North.

Paxman is a former BBC correspondent on Belfast during the Troubles. He has presented Newsnight since 1989 and gained widespread notoriety for his tough and uncompromising interview style.

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Comments (49 Comments)

  • There was no apology. Just a recognition of disastrous government policies that sowed the seeds of a 150yrs of division.

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  • Famine is not a shortage of food. It is a lack of access to food. The same conditions which caused the Irish famine pervade today in many parts of the developing world. Plenty food, no access.

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    • Indeed it does Martin. I was watching Fíorscéal on TG4 earlier. Watching the destruction of natural community farming to large scale farming in Africa and other countries to feed our dependency on exotic food and the importation of foods that are out out of season in Ireland. It made me think right back to our so-called famine. No doubt many adults and children are going hungry in those lands to keep us fed.

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    • Peter 22/02/12 #

      And poor socio economic problems

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  • Not alone was there no apology – there was no famine. It could easier be described as a lazy genocide. And I’m putting it mildly.

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    • The fields were full of cabbage; I don’t like cabbage! Love Tommy Tiernan.

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    • Wouldn’t agree with the genocide comment Reada. I would agree the British govt could definitely have done more. Need to take into account it was the liberals in power at the time and they were mad into their laissez faire politics at that point. There was massive debates in Westminister based around the fact that doing anything would represent too much government interference in the economy. They even set up soup kitchens (which despite the widerspread belief didn’t require people to convert religion for some food) which were fairly effective but were closed because the real free marketers one said debate. In saying that more should have been done to stop the export of food.

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    • Val. You should look at how the Irish were portrayed in the media at the time as less than human. It was a genocide. The laissez faire attitude at the time prompted me to use the word lazy.

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    • Hi Reada, have you any links on this stuff, wouldnt mind reading more about what went on at the time.

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    • Val, you miss the point. The famine was entirely caused by the viscous exploitation conducted by the british in ireland.
      The land was taken off us and rented back. The rent was set at levels where large portions of land had to be used to grow cash crops. What land remained had to feed the people. This resulted in a dependence on potatoes, which ensured that most irish had very poor nutrition. When a natural hiccup came along it was enough to tip the country into full blown famine.
      Whether the famine was deliberate genocide or not does not change the fact that it was caused by deliberate exploitation.
      Whatever the definition of genocide, it was definately mass murder and enslavement.

      An official state apology and compensation are long overdue

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    • More money was spent building Crystal palace than aid money sent to ireland during the famine!

      Fact…

      Genocide?? Yes.

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    • Whether it was a famine or a lazy genocide, the British government did just exactly what the current economic thinking was: that the world was overpopulated, that famines were a form of “population correction”, and that giving food to the poor and starving was ultimately prolonging a bad situation and making it worse for everyone involved.

      I’m NOT saying that I agree with this mode of thought – far from it. I just think that it is very easy for us to commit the historian’s greatest sin, revisionism, when dealing with an issue as emotive as the famine.

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    • Please don’t think I’m looking for vengeance. But I refuse to pretend that what happened was a “famine”.

      True potatoes failed all across Europe yet potatoes was not the main crop grown in Ireland. Food was exported from Ireland to feed peasants in England suffering the effects of the blight. That’s not a famine in any moral interpretation of the word.

      Ireland has to face facts and learn from our past. As a nation we tend to spend too much time trying to get other people to like us and apologising for ourselves instead of actually liking ourselves first. Genocide is an ugly word but it best fits what happened in Ireland.

      I’m brutal at posting links Adrian. Haven’t managed to do it correctly yet, but if you search on the Internet you’ll find a good few. Sorry.

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  • There was enough food too feed 18 million people during the famine. We had a population off around 9 million. There where many other crops been grown at the time but they where for export to keep the British fed as the blight struck all across europe. We are an island nation with hundreds off lakes stocked with plenty off fish. Wild deer and other game animals where plentifull at the time. Yet anyone caught keeping crops that where ment to be sold to help pay rent or killing an animal for food from an estate where sent on the prison ship. There was plenty off food to keep the population alive. Yet it was illegal to eat it. The British made the laws therefore it is genocide.

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  • Yes a wanker alright Paddy……

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  • Tony Blair was speaking in his capacity as Prime Minister of the UK and head of the UK government – the same entity that brought about the conditions that allowed to happen and that responded so abysmally

    He wasn’t speaking in a personal capacity about for something someone else did, he was acknowledging previous wrongdoing on the part of his Office.

    Paxman should remember that this country still hasn’t recovered from the famine. Our population is still a long way short of where it could/should be. He might also take into account the amount of good that it did.

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    • I’d say Paxman, like many people feels Blair is morally vacuous and merely applied this to Blair’s comments on the famine. Interesting suggestion that Ireland is under populated now, rather than over populated in 1840s as stated below…

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    • Michael. I don’t like this “over populated” rubbish. It’s a term used too often by the powers that be to excuse famine and warfare in countries nowadays and to numb our consciences.

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    • Sure. I was quoting Colm Mooney below “The famine had many factors..over population: poor agricultural practices…sub division.of small holdings over reliance on.one crop potatoes…laissez faire economics by whig (liberal) government.” I have no view on what is an ideal population.

      I think Blair talks like a DJ and is equally as vacuous. He didn’t apologise. He acknowledged it was a bad thing. Paxman was merely stating his view that Blair is morally vacuous…

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  • Jeez drop the right : wrong attitudes . Facts , there was a famine , Irish people died , Brits still haven’t apologised . Simple as that

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  • It wasn’t a famine (an gorta mor) It was a HOLOCAUST and Great Britain knew exacty what it was doing during it, where the food was going during it, and what it’s role was during it…they stand guilty of the crime of murder and should accept the blame without the obvious (time elapsing) punishment!! TAL

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  • @ Melanie O ‘Donovan….What if people instigated this ‘famine’??? What then? How much food was Ireland holding at the time?..Much, much more than was required to feed the whole population!!.How much were they being FORCED to export?? If you want to identify who was responsible, then plain and simple… the answer is -Great Britain…they have attempted to F**k up the whole World in their time and they still believe that they rule the waves!! BUT NO MORE!!!!! Great Britain caused the Irish Holocaust and should recognise this and pay the price!!

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  • Remember that the potato famine affected parts of Britain too, notably Cornwall, causing mass emigration from there (also tied in to the failure of the tin mines). The laissez-faire politics of the time made a bad situation worse for all affected in both countries – that policy didn’t work then, and judging by the thousands of present day American homeless poor, doesn’t work now.

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  • RG Cuan 22/02/12 #

    This site should be of interest. Makes you think twice.

    http://www.irishholocaust.org/

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  • mick 21/02/12 #

    There is always one!

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    • Re: Eoin Sher. The Irish were one of the healthiest and strongest races in Europe on the potato diet and buttermilk. They got all the nutrients they needed and ate up to 14 lbs per day. According to Cecil Woodham Smyth, the biggest sin the Brits were guilty of was pushing the problem back on the Irish rate payer. This accelerated the clearing of tenants from landlord estates and increased forced emigration. Up to that the Brits under Robert Peel had done their best considering the size if the problem. There were food shortages all over Europe and the famine was most most acute in the west and south. Here in Dublin they were still giving potatoes in the workhouse in Balrothery in 1847.

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    • strongbow,
      a diet of potatoes and buttermilk will provide the required macro nutrients to keep a person alive but will not provide the micro nutrients required for proper development / growth of children and health of adults.
      Why dont you try it – even for 1 month – see how you feel then?

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  • I was just about to put a link to that site

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  • This article could use mentioning that his remarks were made as part of promoting his new BBC series about the British Empire.

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  • Anyone here who has put forward a balanced or fair view has been given the thumbs down whilst the usual emotive claptrap by the jingoistic loving mind-numbed ‘Learned’ lot go ‘popular’.
    Pax “man”

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  • What famine ? The moral famine that we are suffering now while our government destroys homes and families to bailout so called essential commercial banks which have never been good to our society.
    Or have people confused starvation with famine.what the Irish people endured and succumbed to in the years around 1847 while under British rule where starvation nothing less than state sponsored genocide.their is enough documentary evidence for people to inform themselves and stop ignorantly spouting British propaganda about a famine.

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    • change the record dont compare the famine/genocide of the 1800’s to the crap with the banks. Theres nobody starving now just fairly skint.

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    • The famine had many factors..over population: poor agricultural practices…sub division.of small holdings over reliance on.one crop potatoes…laissez faire economics by whig (liberal) government. during the hunger soup.kitchens were provided by the govt and Castle admin and by charities..but the Catholic church did not cover themselves in glory either…turning starving away from.parochial.houses. to say this was a genocide is wide of the mark…the blight was a natural phenomenon not man made…the hunger was exacerbated by poor governmenal.decisions and negligence led to deaths on.a massive scale. yes punch was pretty anti irish that is true but.a large amount of charity was fothcoming from england. dont forget the emigrants to america had to fight negative stereotypes there too. there were also famines in england in.the previous 100 years. I believe that Blairs statement was influential in.the peace negotiations and was on.the mark

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  • This must mean then that according to Paxman’s logic he doesn’t agree with David Cameron apologising for Bloody Sunday, I’m not one for dwelling on the past but in order for countries to reconcile their differences and strengthen their relationships it is nice for countries to recognise that mistakes were made, they were wrong in the past and its time to move on. I think Paxman may have it wrong, maybe people like him and with his train of thought are “the last echoes of the empire”.

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  • mart_n 21/02/12 #

    I agree with his point despite it having no bearing on what actually happened!

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  • For Those Who Can’t Apologize Over The Genocide in Ireland….

    “You may write me down in history
    With your bitter, twisted lies,
    You may trod me in the very dirt
    But still, like dust, I’ll rise..” Maya Angelou

    My Response
    http://paganheart29.blogspot.com/2012/02/my-response-to-apology-for-ireland.html?spref=tw

    Also,This Might be a starting point for places that need apologies, as the Irish are not alone in their desire for apology and compensation.

    http://www.africanholocaust.net/
    http://newbritishempire.site11.com/british-genocides.html
    http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/www-khrc-or-ke/
    (a petition for the Mau Mau Tribe in Kenya…)

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  • Jeremy Poxman – the blight of television.

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  • While I feel that Britain should acknowledge what it did and didn’t do to allow millions of Irish to starve and emigrate we should recognise that we are equally capable of inflicting suffering on others less fortunate. Let’s not forget that we allowed tens of thousands of our own children to suffer under church and state institutions for decades. Right now we are happy to allow the US to treat our country as a de facto military base as they transport bloodshed and torture to the Middle East through Shannon. Let’s deal with our own back yard first.

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  • FOGRA
    You WILL say ‘Gorta’ or famine but NEVER genocide, or worse still, H.O.L.O.C.A.U.S.T
    You WILL believe that less than million died and not 3.5+ MILLION
    You WILL believe there are no unmarked mass graves containing millions of victims of the Prince of Wales’ 49th Regiment of Foot (etc) hidden from view throughout the country, especially in Connaught
    You WILL believe a solitary memorial (in isolated STROKES town) to the millions of Irishmen women and children who were sacrificed by the Disraeli /Palmerston gang is sufficient..
    You Will believe this disgraceful Paxman bleatting on about ‘potatoes’.. and not a word from this scurrilous individual of the hundred thousand tons of FOOD; ham, oats, barley, butter etc.. that were forcibly removed from their starving owners by the very same British regiment.

    Please note the above strictures do not apply to the New York Schools Cirriculum Board as this draconian dictate do not apply to armed men and women who can actually fight back.

    -Stad

    Compensation is LONG overdue for this premeditated genocide inflicted on a peaceful, vulnerable population by the British Realm, the then sole world superpower..

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  • Rangers fans keep singing about the famine being over and so it’s time to go home,so there must have been a famine,right?

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  • Let’s not forget the historical inaccuracy of such a statement. Yes, the british were one of the larger factors in the worsening of the famine and the huge loss of life, but Irish cultural and agricultural practices were also hugely at fault.

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    • Irish agriculture grew enough to feed the nation. The problem was the food was exported to pay rent on the very land the food was grown on. This situation was brought about by the british.

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    • Billy Billy Billy,
      What on earth are you talking about? The problem was simple for the Irish, an acute lack of food. Native to Ireland the was a wide range of edible grains, root vegetables, game birds, fruit, deer, rivers full of highly nutritious fish and the list goes on and with over 5,500Km of coastline, the sea was a rich source of easily accessible shellfish. Was there more than the potato in Ireland in the 1840’s? Yes, of course there was! Was this food accessible by the general population? No. Why no? Armed defence of a lord’s lands.
      Virtually all of the aforementioned foods were loaded on ships by Irish slaves and sent to England. This is why the Irish starved while the English thrived.
      It is a grave insult to the memory of those poor men, women and children who were left to starve or waste away on the side of the road or in a work house. I am so sick of this utter tripe about bloody potatoes!!! It’s so degrading! Can’t you understand that KENNEDY?

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    • Gotta love the Journal. Point out that the famine was caused by a complex range of factors rather than one simplistic big bad guy and get downvoted to the floor. What a joke.

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    • billy,
      any change in irish cultural or agricultural practices could not have stopped the famine from happening!

      a end to the theft by the british would have stopped it in its tracks

      QED

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  • If it goes some way towards building relations with the Irish what’s the problem? The truth is British policy caused millions of Irish to starve and die (some estimates as high as 5 million).

    The British claimed ownership of the land and used their army to export enough food to feed the population many times over. They are directly responsible for what today would be considered genocide.

    In order for the islands to put this behind them ignorant people like Pax need to be humble and apologetic and realize what his nation got up to in his past and the Irish need to accept that apology.

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  • People starved and people died in large numbers = famine. People kill other people over wealth = war. Blame is largely irrelevant at this stage.

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