He should. But there’s the truth and the truth. ;)

Petr, I was just curious about something. I looked up your name on twitter and I see a pic of “old Nokia charger” beside a petr tarasov? A coincidence maybe? Can you explain it?

He probably wouldn’t be alive now if he had done the same in many another country around the world. He’s lucky it’s only the Americans.

But then again he probably wouldn’t have done the same if he was in the same position in many another country around the world.

America, land of the free but when you expose facts and the truth you go to jail for a very long time.
Do you suggest that we should never expose skullduggery for national security reasons?

If he was a soldier in Iran or Syria and he blew on the The Iranians or the Asad regime and released their murderous secrets, The Americans would hail him a hero. But when he blows the whistle on American murderous secrets… he’s a triator. What the USA has become since the 1960’s must have John Adams and his ilk spinning in their tombs.

I didn’t suggest anything.

I said that he is lucky it’s only the the Americans. What would The Russians, Chinese, North Koreans, countries ending in “istan”, most African states, most dictatorships and some pseudo democratic countries have done if he was one of theirs and had knicked a couple of million secret documents? Again, he is lucky its only the Americans.

Every civilisation, state, entity, religion, multi national company sporting body and tribe have their dirty little secrets – I’d say even the first civilisation way back in 12,000 BC were at it. That’s the way it is and the way it always will be and it is who we are. This makes everyone a hypocrite, not just the Americans.

Some people seem to be shocked about the fact that the Americans are still at it. Would the online reaction here be the same if it were the Russians or Chinese that had their little secrets published?

He broke the law and is paying the price – which is 20 years but at least he gets to stay alive. That’s all I’m saying.

@Paul ,But you dont support his actions or do you?

Paul — Don’t kid yourself that the US ruling class are somehow benign. Two American citizens have recently been murdered by the state – no arrest, no trial, no questioning, nothing. It’s true that as far as we know they don’t torture their own soldiers, but most of the rest of the world are fair game.

Manning blew the whistle on war crimes, at great personal risk. He is a hero.

@Paul You seem not to support him by not responding, your like Labour/Fine Gael loads to say but nobody knows where you stand when you finish talking.

Ehhhh no Martin, you are wrong!

The day job kicked in, sorry I wasn’t around to answer you as requested.

Please don’t compare me to any politician or party in this country – that’s an awful thing to do to anyone!!!!

I have no opinions one way or the other as to what he has done. I don’t know what his motivation was – he says one thing, but can it be believed?

He put his life at risk, he is a hero. America and there military are one of the most corrupt organisation in the world.
I don’t see how people don’t wake up to the agenda, it’s pretty clear what they are at. They control everything and they want more.

They don’t care about their own people, they have no problem torturing innocent people.

They need to be stopped.

I can’t see what crime this man committed, it was a crime against his bosses but not a crime against us innocent citizens. He did us a favour and I hope more like him follow.

People are too quick to believe everything the read about the great Obama and his great military, wake up.

Paul: “I have no opinions one way or the other as to what he has done.”

Pull the other one.

I guess you know me so well Petr, apart from me saying I have no opinions.

I’m not really that bothered as we are all capable of lying, decieving and hypocrisy……… as well as doing so much good.

Don’t get too hung upon the Americans – there is a lot worse out there.

Yeah Paul Furney, thank God for the USA and their humane use of solitary confinement. Such a role model for every other free nation on the planet. “At least we are not a Muslim aristocracy! ) Is that your only defence? Pitiful…

Chris, you have a problem with Muslims as well as the US?

Good one Chris.

Another discussion ended.

Good night.

They have military bases in 130 nations but its for our own good, right?, cause thats what Hollywood and their global media tells us and they wouldn’t lie.

John, to be fair, a terrorist is not someone who invades a country and takes resources. It’s someone who mindlessly attacks people and places for senseless reasons. There is a clear and selfish agenda in place for America & Co’s invasions.

@ Anto O rourke .
Do you think US invaded Vietnam , Indonesia , Chile , USSR , Iraq , Afghanistan – etc etc and now Africa for selfles sreasons . do u think they used agent orange – whose efects are still there today in Vietnam for selfless reasons .Do u think they murdered ionnocent women and children for selfless reasons ??. Do U think they have 1,000 bases around world for selfless reasons .
No – they are robbers and murderes – just like the EU powers before them , UK , France , Belgium , Spain etc – only they do it on a grander scale with obviosly better weapons .They want gold , minerals , oil .There is plenty of evidence of why and waht they are doing – if u dont want to know and keep your heads in the sand – that is unfortunate – but u have every right to do so .

No it isn’t

Jim, what are you rattling on about? I said America & Co DO do it for selfish reasons. Learn to read first, before spouting on in essay format about the wrong subject.

Since when did the US invade the USSR and Indonesia? Did I miss those. Did the worlds media miss them too?

They funded a coup in Indonesia

The worlds media miss a lot of things.

Jesus, here comes the tinfoil brigade. Where is elvis anyway?

No prison jobs in america mick ?

And the Russians haven’t funded coups and the Chinese didn’t support the Khmer Rouge? Don’t throw stones in a glass house.

I am sure there are but know one has offered me one.

@Mick Jordan – Indonesia – 1965 – they funded and activly helped a coup
”US Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara informed President Johnson that military assistance programs to Indonesia, especially during the Sukarno era, had “contributed significantly to the Army’s pro-US orientation and encouraged it to move against the PKI when the opportunity was presented.”[68] Australian Prime Minister Harold Holt commented in The New York Times “With 500,000 to a million communist sympathisers knocked off…I think it’s safe to assume a reorientation has taken place.”[
Apparently one only had to be a symathiser of Communism – to be murdered – sorry knocked off . Now if China or someone else knocked off a million or so US citizens – waht would be the reaction ?/.
As for Russia – that Invasion took place in Aug 1918 – it is rarely mentioned in US or US orientated Media .
@Anto O Rourke – sorry – mea culps . I misread your post .

They invaded the USSR shortly after the workers there took

B.Lowe. You constantly cry about what the Americans do but never mention the Chinese or Russians. Why are you not outraged by the Chinese MSS’s (Ministry of State Security) treatment of Tibetan prisoners. Or the Russian FSB’s (new KGB) of its prisoners. Both have been well documented by Amnesty for torture. You only have eyes for America and the west.
Yes America uses dirty tricks but show me a Government that doesn’t.

This article is about the US.

Yes it is Peter but if it was about China or Russia you and B would be very quite.

Be careful Mick – Anti-anti American in thejournal sets the red thumbers flying. Its a focussed debate with them. Nothing else allowed.

Do china and Russia claim to the land of the free and leaders of democracy? No but America does. They should practice what they preach instead of invading any country they can get away with bullying.

Mick — I would be quite what?

Tell us again how the Pakistani intelligence agency is called the CIS! lol

You have no idea of my views on Russia and China so don’t presume you do.

Yes. Land of the Free. It doesn’t say World of the Free. They will put Americas interest first and always will. Show me a country that doesn’t put its own national interests first.

Ahh Peter you never made a misprint. It would be great to be as perfect as you.

You don’t have to sign the official secrets act. You are bound by it anyway, signing it is just an acknowledgement.

Pay the price he broke the law wrong or right let that be a lesson to him to some he might be a law breaker to others he’s a true hero.

He pleaded guilty because he is guilty of breaking the law. And he’s a hero for doing so.

Despite his appalling treatment thus far (which is likely to continue) he is not only standing up for what he believes in but with a measure of dignity and morality in accepting and acknowledging that he broke the law that I can’t remember seeing in a long, long time.

The US allows doctors not to offer abortion services if it is not right with their conscience. It’s a get out of the law clause.
Yet, soldiers are not allowed to go against an aspect of their profession if it infringes upon their conscience.
The man is a hero.

The demonstrators on bloody Sunday were also law breakers. Never fetishise ‘the law’; that leads to a bad place.

If the americans had not been “breaking the law” as you put it then bradley manning would have had anything to leak in the first place, selective justice is it mick?

Dani, I think people still hold America up on a platform, everyone wanted the American dream and the big car, suit, office, holidays etc. the America dream was just to make people want more, manipulate people, create a vanity bubble and then offer cheap credit to people to lure them into debt. Now the banks who own the politician and corporation now own the people. It frightening but it was always the goal.

The allure of the ideal lifestyle is what has destroyed people, it used to be enough to have a car to drive you from a to b now it is about what it looks like, the stereo, the year. All about image.

We are a very self-destructive, unaware, easily controlled people.

I hate that people can’t see this, if they could we could make it a better world.

People have been massively manipulated. They can see it some never will.

Adelle,

You seem forget that there are still billions of good people on the planet.

The big destroyers are disease, hunger, poverty, drought, national mismangement, abuse, inequality and not an allure of an ideal lifestyle.

I agree with you about so many being very self-destructive, unaware, easily controlled people – “Sheeple”, as they say. On a much smaller scale and not really anything to do with this topic – I am amazed how many 100,000′s click “LIKE” to the most ridiculous of obviously scammy causes in Facebook! No checking on who started the thing or if it is a scam. The modern day chain mail, but on a much large scale.

Daft I know, but this really brings out the sheeple.

As I said – nothing to do with Manning.

Any problem in this world is down to the corruption of the few, go back along the world history and the blood lines back then people that had all the wealth and power still do. All our big corporation, Vatican bank, world banks, politicians are just puppets to pass laws to accommodate the wealthy. This leads to the poor getting poorer and the rich getting richer.

Africa one of the richest continents, poorest people. Because of rich people corruption and greed.

Enough like, I don’t want to live on a world where people are starving because of corruption, people don’t have homes, medicine, food.

How many billion in the world the wealthy are but a few. We have the power. But most are still Ignorant.
So these people are going to have to continue to suffer.

The divide in Ireland will get bigger too FG/FF are ensuring that targeting the poorest. They can’t tax the wealth because they are working with them.
Debt slaves!

Bernard manning RIP – racist in peace…

Maybe because it is news? And that this is a news site?

Or is there a more sinister motive – let’s check with Jim Corr.

Good one Paul :-D

Lets get one thing straight, the US military works for the banks and major corporations, the same ones that are pillaging our own country so u can’t come on here and give out about the banks with one hand and then defend the actions of the tools they use to keep control. They are the same. Connect the dots, its not that hard.

Good man Derek. All sorted then.

See Paul what your missing is the fact that Derek is right, everything he is saying can be backed up with facts.

I bet you buy your paper every Sunday watch sky news or CNN or even RTE.

There will come a point when Derek will be able to say I told you so.

Have a look at these documentaries,
Fall of The Republic
Invisible Empire
Interviews:
Gerald celente
Max keiser
Ponzi planet
George Green
Look up interviews from ex cia, FBi etc
George Galloway

Then have a look at the laws being enacted in America the amount of money being spent on drones and military operations. None in favour of the American people, internment, cispa.

Look at what they are doing in the Middle East, everything makes so much sense and the facts are outstanding.

When I first looked into this stuff, I was like no way, this can’t be right so I compared the mainstream to what these guys were saying, these guys seems to make more sense and then I seen stuff they had been saying happening right before my very eyes.

I wouldn’t have known any of this a year ago, fell on hard times was starting to question things as to why they had to be like this. Common sense and trusting your own intuition are wonderful things.

Wrong Adelle, just like Petr and Martin were wrong. I don’t get news papers ever, Sky news and CNN do my head in and RTE news is only good for….some things.

You guys are so convinced with what you believe in – and by default are convinced that you know about everyone that hasn’t a clue with what you are on about! We all fit into your little boxed stereo type.

And I don’t care about what you are on about. If you are right with your beliefs and they come true – well, I ‘ll say fair play to you. It could be true, shite or a bit of both. But this sort of malarkey has been going on for 14,000 years and will continue to do so until man basically cops on and realises that we all need to work for each other and move on to the next level, whatever that may be!

Relax will you, as there is absolutely nothing you can do about it.

Agree Paul, I’m not saying that what you are saying is wrong but people seem to miss the bigger picture. It has been leading up to something the last 14,000 years. There are a small number of people that have all the power and influence. The plan is a new world order and Obama administration have been quoted talking about a global government and a global currency. Some say conspiracy I say they are capable and the facts are their.

Facebook causes totally agree.
You say the world is like this and has always been like this, does it really have to stay like this, if people united together and got informed, maybe we could do something, I don’t like living in a world like this. That other people have to suffer because of the corrupt of a few.

I have has enough of war starvation etc and I don’t believe their is nothing we can do.

When people see the bigger picture then maybe I have hope that good people will prevail over the evil that has been in control of the masses for the last 14,000 years.

I wouldn’t call anyone a sheep, I was a sheep until a year ago, looking up to celebrities thinking Obama was good for America. They just dealing with daily things and have not stopped and questioned and looked at the world as one and look who has most the power. Hopefully a few will read these comments and will look into some of it.

I don’t want to just accept the world is like this and I just have to get on with it.
I know I can’t do much but at least I am informed and can spot it

Mr Paul the Furry is not in the right mood today (

Just like all the others Alex – you are also wrong.

I though Bulgaria was a friend of the US?