Eugh, and turn a wonderful unique building into another identikit 21st century glass box.

MMM mansdump has lots to offer.

It just needs a good clean! The library idea is a good one.

I think so too. I think it should be demolished and a public square put in it’s place with some trees and greenery.

The damage is done at wood quay, after building the foundations for something that size I doubt there is much left in tact underneath.

Too Long, Didn’t Read.

@Colm Flaherty

tl;dr ;) :P

Fair enough. Do you want me to break it into chunks? Or is it too stimulating for you.

Ignore them Daniel. There are those who lie down and those who stand up.

Haha, you’re core argument lacks even the most basic of economic knowledge. Don’t even bother reading it lads, the usual oul shite from the angry and underinformed.

Enlighten me Billy. Show me where I’m wrong.

“It’ll never pay off the increasing debt because debt is impossible to pay off.”

International debt can in fact be paid off, all it requires is positive growth in the economy and a government with the fiscal responsibility to earmark a portion of tax income larger than the yearly interest for the repayment of such debt. Had Fianna Fail been more fiscally responsible during their time in power we could have significantly reduced our external debt. Not all repayment needs to be done through central bank lending, which is your core fallacy.

Now, as far as debt equating to slavery, you forget the ability of any sovereign nation to default from their debt. Hence, while we may have obligations based on our debt, they are self-imposed to a certain extent by our desire and willingness to remain a player in the international markets. If you think the job situation is bad now, see what would happen if we defaulted. Think Ireland pre-IDA – maidens at the crossroads and so forth.

Finally, how about you tell me a few things. Tell me what you actually know about the Gold Standard, and the inherent (serious) problems it had. Tell me how exactly this country is becoming ‘fascist’ (by the way you confused Fascism with Corporatism, two connected but seperate ideologies both practiced in Italy under Mussolini, but then again I guess ‘Fascist’ looks better on a billboard. Yawn.)

Let’s deal with your first argument: Positive economic growth is needed. What is economic growth? Economic growth isn’t growth at all it is cyclical consumption i.e the moving around of money from employer to employee to consumer. The term economy means to preserve and create efficiency of natural resources- so how could anyone say that consuming more does this? There’s your first fallacy. Who do you propose we get capital from to pay off debts other than central banks?

Daniel, I refuse to engage in conversation with someone who has no interest in dealing with the issues I raise. You asked me to show where you were wrong, so I did. I contradict you and prove you wrong, so instead of dealing with these points you move to new points. It’s all very exhausting dealing with you.

I’d love to see your dictionary by the way, because you seem to keep getting definitions wrong. I advise upgrading to the Oxford English or Mirriam Webster.

You’re misunderstanding my position here. I’m not thinking in the framework of the flawed monetrary system that created debt. You’re coming up with solutions that would reduce dangerous debt but there is no way for a country to be debt free as long as money is printed by central banks- in Europe’s case the ECB, in the US’s the federal reserve. It’s called fiat money, or money created from nothing, and this has led to the collapse.And the “Inherent, serious problems” you say the gold standard had? even the president of the worls bank says we should bring it back: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/investing/gold/8117300/Bring-back-the-gold-standard-says-World-Bank-chief.html
On the subject of where I get my definitions- Heres an example: definition of economic growth by the businessdictionary.com- Increase in a country’s productive capacity, as measured by comparing gross national product (GNP) in a year with the GNP in the previous year. So it’s all about GNP. Health care accounted for 17% of GDP in 2009- 2.5 trillion dollars. This does not collerate with an increased quality of life but a sick nation. You speak alot about fallacies and that I “lack knowledge in even basic economic knowledge”. The fact is that economic knowledge is fundementally flawed in its most basic concepts because it is based on a free market system that socialises losses to the fullest extent and privatises profits to the same extent

How can you expect people to ‘see you there’ if you haven’t even explained what you’re protesting against?

Oops sorry. It’s against the Household and Septic Tank Charge and Water charges and Metering. ;)

Oh, well in that case you’re grand, thanks.

Are you serious Reada? People who ‘can’t afford’ the 100 quid household charge are going to spend 100 quid in petrol and expenses getting into Dublin city center on a WEDNESDAY instead is it?

It’s grand for some. I’ll be at work, paying my taxes.

I’m in favour of all these charges, so I’ll pass on your protest, thanks.

How about organizing the protest for a day that the majority or tax payers can actually attend? Not all of us are dole spongers and have work during the week!!

David. There is little point in having a Dáil protest is there is no one in attendance at the Dáil. That is why we are having it at 5pm, so those working can attend after work and those that are unemployed can also come. You refer to them as dole spongers. I refer to them as victims of the economic downturn. Don’t forget we had virtual full employment in Ireland during the boom. The Irish are not known for being spongers. We are not afraid of work.

Sweet fluffy Jebus Reada, it must be a long time since you worked. 5pm on a wednesday in that location is not possible for anyone with a day job, unless they work in that exact building and knock off early.

Some things are worth the cost!! Education broadens the mind and the horizons