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Department of Finance was told about the €3.6bn mistake last year – but did nothing

Michael Noonan has announced a review will be carried out to determine how the “humiliating schoolboy error” was made and why it was ignored.

Michael Noonan explaining the accounting error in the Dáil this evening
Michael Noonan explaining the accounting error in the Dáil this evening

MINISTER FOR FINANCE Michael Noonan has revealed that the Department of Finance was informed in August 2010 about the €3.6 billion accounting error in the Irish national debt – but did nothing about it.

Noonan blamed “human error on behalf of one individual” for the embarrassing mistake which came to light yesterday.

Speaking in the Dáil this afternoon, Noonan said that an email was sent  to “a particular person in the Department of Finance” 15 months ago to query the rogue figure. However according to the Minister “the significance was not appreciated at the time” and the email was never acted upon.

The mail was sent by the National Treasury Management Agency (NTMA), which manages assets and liabilities on behalf of the Irish Government.

Instead the mistake was only spotted when the NTMA sent a second email to a different official when preliminary discussions were under way for December’s budget.

Noonan told the Dáil that he has ordered a report by the secretary-general of the Department of Finance into how the mistake was made. He has also announced an external review of how the systems failure took place within that particular section of the department.

The Finance Minister described the mistake, which saw €3.6 billion in the state funds counted twice in the government finances, as a “humiliating schoolboy error”.

Noonan was responding to a question from Fianna Fáil TD Michael McGrath during the Topical Questions time in the Dáil.

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Comments (45 Comments)

  • *One* person?
    One person can make a €3.6 billion mistake in a NATIONAL budget?
    What kind of amateur-hour operation are the DoF running?

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  • Think I made the same mistake in my Junior Cert Business paper

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  • A ‘humiliating schoolboy error’ WTF! No smacks or dunces cap for that particular scholar no doubt.

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  • Why did it take the NTMA 15 months to send a second e-mail!!! Pass the buck, from NTMA to Finance, then blame “one person”. Disgraceful!!! They should be all ashamed!!!

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  • The worlds biggest circus run by the worlds highest payed clowns!

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  • Are these the officials that retire on over 700,000 plus severence packages

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  • Not being vindictive here but when are we going to see somebody get punished for these types of mistakes?

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  • Why is there a need for a report firstly it was a schoolboy error and secondly someone ignored an email, sack both and hire properly educated folk who can read emails and complete accounts, simple.

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  • The person or persons responsible for this massive error should be fired. No ifs buts or anything else.

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    • It was systems failure, that’s code for nobody will be brought to task

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    • The head of the Dept. should be fired. Mary Lou McDonald was the only one to point out the obvious, that it is impossible to have confidence in him after this. The Govt. in their wisdom appoint him to an even higher paying job, on the EU auditors. The EU accounts haven’t been signed off in over 15 years, no accountancy firm will put their name to them, due to the stink and interesting accounting that goes on.

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  • Who’s bank account was it resting in all this time the money had to be somewhere.

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    • It wasn’t missing or resting in anyone’s bank account. This needs to be made clearer by the media.

      It is like having a credit card bill and adding it up twice when you are trying to figure out how much you owe in total on your bills. Just because you realise that you owe €100 less, doesn’t mean that you’ve €100 extra in your pocket as you’ve still all the other bills to pay.

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  • Danny D 02/11/11 #

    There’s something really fishy about this, how can no one notice missing €3.6 bln??? I know it’s next to nothing these days, but come on!

    How much more is there missing that we don’t know about I wonder?

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  • At least its ?3,600,000,000 that we dont have to borrow from europe. Thats a lot in tax take ….

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  • Errors of this nature only happen when it’s to someone’s benefit…..

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  • When I was in school and college double entry was drummed into us during accounting. “All the debits must equal all the credits”. Therefore, if the dept posted an extra credit (liability) where was the debit (expense) posted. A mistake as basic cannot and should not be made. The only way I can see this happening is that the dept of finance are keeping the national accounts on spreadsheets and are ignoring the basic principals of double entry bookkeeping. Who reconciled the ‘intercompany accounts’ and signed off that these were correct? The whole thing is ridiculous.

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  • maybe some one had plan’s for it. Some one had to know it was there. All the one anyway sure its only going to be giving to fat cat bankers, irish people will still be cut to hell in 6 weeks time.

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    • Orion 03/11/11 #

      Get your facts right, it wasn’t going to be given to ‘fatcat bankers’ ‘ as we didn’t just ‘find’ E3.6 Billion, it is that we owe E3.6 Billion less than we thought. And tell me what “fatcat bankers” have received 3.6 billion euro or anything even remotely close to that???

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    • When are you going to stop letting your head run away with you. There was no money found. There was an error found. Like was explained already above. Of you were adding up all the bills you owe and you added one of them twice, then you would have made an error equal to that amount. When you would discover the error you wouldn’t have anymore money, just the knowledge that you had made an error of that you owed that much less!

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  • CMD 03/11/11 #

    Have these people ever heard of a “trial balance”. A basic accounting check which would have highlighted this mistake at the beginning. Arrogant incompetent fools. God help us and it’s these same gobs….ts who are now preparing our future budgets. It’s as well we have the IMF keeping an eye on them.

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  • These people are not fit to work in Fas

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  • made 02/11/11 #

    I agree Noonan should be sacked along with a host of others over this mess. Listening to him in the Dail this evening trying to explain the mistake it was pure drivel, there was absolutely no sense or meaning to what he was saying. If I had made an error in my books when I was self employed I would have been hammered with fines by the government.

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  • So if the dept. of finance made “an error” then the head of the dept.
    I.E. Michael Noonan should be held accountable and therefore should resign

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    • The mistake happened during the time of the last Fianna Fáil led collation in Government. In August 2010 the Finance Department, then under the stewardship of the late Brian Lenihan, was notified of this error and nothing was done. Please explain how this is current Finance Minster Michael Noonan’s fault. I’d like to see an explantation that doesn’t involve a Dan Brown-esq plot or a time traveling Delorean.

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    • Not really. People including all those on this blog make mistakes. What is the world coming to with all this intolerance regarding making mistakes?

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    • @ Daniel is very sensitive towards Micky Noonan – got a crush have we Daniel??? Lol.

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  • Was watching BBC news when they broadcast ‘breaking news’ the Irish have found they are better off by x amount after finding €3billion+ due to an accounting error que: sniggering smiles and jokes about wish I could find that amount down the back of my sofa! Talk about the thick Paddy jokes of the past! For a country that is already a laughing stock for it’s crooked banks, corrupt politicians, lax regulation and non conviction of white collar crime and general incompetence in all matters financial this just adds to the sense of cluelessness that seems to prevail in the higher echelons of the govt., the ‘civil service’ (top end) and particularly the DoF. Cowen and Lenihen were regarded abroad as pretty useless anyway (voted worst finance minister at one point) and when you think about how the financial crisis was handled in Ireland, it is clear to everyone that they were way out of the depth. This is embarrassing and just shows how badly the state is served by these people.

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    • When are we going to stop looking over our shoulder for approval from others. Somebody made a mistake and now it is sorted. Grand.

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    • It’s not about looking over our shoulder you muppet, it’s about getting the right people in the right places, it’s clear that there are people in positions of power and responsibility in Ireland who are simply not up to the job. Cronyism and a culture of arse covering in the DoF gives a bad impression to anyone wanting to do business or invest in Ireland. The country’s finances have to be seen to be top notch and schoolboy ‘errors’ like this at this level should not happen!

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  • Sooo, there’s €3.6 billion to spare?! Jays, maybe this year’s Budget won’t be so bad after all. *I wish*

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  • jrbmc 03/11/11 #

    Heads must roll for this ! But again they probably won’t

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  • Orion 03/11/11 #

    @ Ed Appleby

    Read above comments, we didnt FIND 3.6 Billion Euro, we noticed that we OWE 3.6 Billion euro less than originally thought, we didnt actually find
    3.6 Billion in cash, just lying around.

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    • I really don’t think it’s relevant what form the 3.6 billion amount credited back comes in. The person/ persons who made this gross miscalculation need to be brought to task.
      Our national pride is being diminished by our governments (both old and new) incompetence. I believe these clowns couldn’t run a bath, never mind our country.

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    • Orion, you need to re-read the comment, I didn’t say we found €3.6 billion, i was commenting on the jokes following the report about the error and how it makes the govt. look dumb. Another excuse for the world to have a laugh at our expense. Just like they lapped it up when Cowen the clown appeared on TV hungover and added fuel to that stereotype of the drunken Paddy. Errors like this just should not be happening at this level, makes the country look bad and does not inspire confidence.

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    • Orion 07/11/11 #

      @ Ed Appleby

      Yes you are right, sorry I misread your post. :)

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  • @Daniel Personally I see the hands of the Illuminatii and the Priuré de Sion behind all this. I heard they had s meeting with Gay Mitchell at the parish house in Limavaddy on October 12th. Of course its only rumour,…

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  • We should give the human errer a clap on the back!!

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  • Down with civil servants. Replace them with monkeys. No mistakes were ever made in Irish banks of any equivalent magnitude.

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