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Fianna Fáil remains fourth in party support – Red C poll

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FINE GAEL remains the most popular political party in Ireland, according to a new opinion poll published this morning – while Micheál Martin’s Fianna Fáil slips to fourth place in the party standings, behind Sinn Féin.

The party support, measured in this morning’s Red C poll for the Sunday Business Post, leaves Fine Gael as the most popular party with 31 per cent – though their support has fallen by 5 percentage points since the general election in February.

The junior coalition partner Labour remains in second place, with its support at 17 per cent – two points lower than in February, but broadly in line with its performance in other recent party polling.

Sinn Féin – who had outperformed Labour in an Irish Times poll earlier this month – slides back to third, though it remains only one point behind the government party on 16 per cent.

Fianna Fáil records just 14 per cent – three points lower than its dismal showing in the February election, and down a further two points on the Ipsos MRBI poll published by the Irish Times just over a fortnight ago.

Other parties – including those of the United Left Alliance and the Green Party account for the remaining 22 per cent of the vote, up by five per cent on their showing in February.

Fine Gael’s performance continues to easily outstrip those of the other parties, though its performance appears to have suffered somewhat in parallel with Gay Mitchell’s showing in the presidential election.

Michael D Higgins commands more support than the party of which he is president, perhaps thanks to the support of uncommitted Fianna Fáil voters.

Sinn Féin also continues its best ever surge in support of modern times, perhaps largely thanks to the presidential campaign of Martin McGuinness – though the Red C poll found that more people would vote for Sinn Féin in a general election than McGuinness in the presidential race.

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  • Tony Skillington 23/10/11 #
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    Fianna Fail may as well get used to being underwater when it comes to polls. Just as we have a long haul ahead of us to get back on our feet, so do they. A good thing in that they can share in the frustration and misery they helped inflict on us as a government. I have a feeling Fine Gael will become a poisoned brand in time as well. What does that leave us with in the politicl pond for us to choose from??

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    • Robert McDonnell 23/10/11 #
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      Fianna fail again,of course…your forgetting yourself, this isn’t the first time FG have taken over!

    • ged_star 23/10/11 #
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      When you say “A good thing in that they can share in the frustration and misery they helped inflict on us as a government” do you really think they will share in any frustration and misery. There’s no misery for politicans, they still get massive pay packets, expenses and pensions, what misery do you think Brian Cowen and Bertie Ahern are feeling. Not one Fianna Fail person will be brought to justice for the misery we all have to suffer due to their corruption. Unless your a banker or politican.

    • Tony Skillington 23/10/11 #
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      That’s true Ged…but apart from the financial perks they receive these people crave power..and the longer they’re out of power the more they lust for it. Look at the Widow Twanky and company we have now…..what was it…15 years out of power and they inebriated on it at the moment. So I agree that the money will salve some of the sting..but they’ll want to be back in power as soon as they can con their way back in.

  • Ryan Murphy 23/10/11 #
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    Politics really is a series of contradictions.

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  • Cal Mooney 23/10/11 #
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    The Irish people through on-line media like journal.ie, politics.ie etc are now using their own discourse to see and hear what the establishment parties are doing to this cuntry. We no longer accept the rubbish that the establishment media like RTE and the Indo feed us. FF are gone as a party. They will never come back. FG/Labour are on a slippery slope, unless they start siding with the people and not the Bankers and EU masters.

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  • John Murphy 23/10/11 #
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    Damn all as it stands Tony! However a very encouraging article by Niall Morahan as just posted holds out some hope for a new politics devoid of the awful ideology that has typified party politics for too long.
    As for Fianna Fail may they rot in hell! Fine Gael are no better and time will show that whereas FF ruined the country through greed and self interest FG will attempt to fix it through nothing much better. We need something new and without it it’s more of the same. Just look around the Dail!

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  • Tony Skillington 23/10/11 #
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    @ Robert…you’d wonder is it even a case of ‘taking over’….more like morphing into the one and same creature.

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  • Tony Skillington 23/10/11 #
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    I agree Cal…Fianna Fail won’t sit in power for at least 10 – 15 years in my opinion. The worrying thing is when Fine Gael/Labour complete the slide into the same hole….who do we have left? Will the country be run completely by independants put into office on local issues? Sinn Fein(leaving aside the obvious historical issues) simply don’t have the experience…ohh woe betide..what is to become of us?

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    • OccupyForFairness 23/10/11 #
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      I must say I agree with you Tony…..by the time the next election comes, Labour (unless they really change soon) will go the way of the PDs & the Greens. FG will be where FF are now … and FF will not have come back…. so who’s left? All SF have to do is say the right things for the few years and they may well be the only alternative…. and given their inexperience who can say where that’d lead to….. ???

    • John Murphy 23/10/11 #
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      We learn from our mistakes. Support newcomers, new ideas, new ways of doing things. There’s a vacant place now – a ‘hole’ as you say to bury the FF/FG/Labour and without them things might happen. With that lot around anything worthwhile would smother.

    • OccupyForFairness 23/10/11 #
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      I was going to say something similar John, but when I thought about it, who has the relevant experience?

      Maybe the gov advisers that we all pay so dearly for – case of cutting out the middle man ;o)

      But joking aside will we end up going the way of Belgium who have been government-less for 1.5 years????

      Do you think it is possible to prepare a new entity that could take over?

    • William O'Shea 23/10/11 #
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      re– having the experience to run the country?! Tony in my experience of FG/Lab’s use of their ‘experience’ is a continuance of FF’s ‘experience’………. This is the ‘expertise’ that has us where we’re at! The ship that is Ireland inc. needs a lot more than a shift change of essentially the same crew!

    • John Murphy 23/10/11 #
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      @OccupyForFairness
      Of course it is! All that’s needed is idealism, unity, fresh thinking. Democracy for people by people – a big ask? Maybe! But if people let themselves believe that lack of experience is a valid reason to abandon those aims we get nowhere. I’m 53 and railed at the rottenness of what has got us to where we are all my life. That’s my experience do you want to experience the same. Do it! get this place right – no better time!

    • Tony Skillington 24/10/11 #
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      I agree William…hence my comments on the standard of political representative we have…it will take a whole change of mind set to see a better class of politician to come through our system but that will take a generation or two before we see this. The sooner the better….for all our sakes!

  • David Higgins 23/10/11 #
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    True test of the coalition support will be after the budget. It’s very possible that the FG drop is due to Mitchell’s unpopularity. You’d also have to factor in how Fine Gael does on transfers. Such a large swing to independents won’t produce more independent TDs unless they have a real shot in certain constituencies. Otherwise the elimination of such independents may just provide more transfers to FG, still giving them a large number of seats.

    Labour is holding up well but again watch for the budget.

    Sinn Féin will be happy with this, especially since the budget hasn’t even come yet. We tend to find their support overstated in polls but an upward trend is what it is.

    Fianna Fail will be rightly disappointed. If they come in 5th place in the Dublin West by-election then it’s looking very grim for them. That’s quite likely on these figures although local factors will come into play. Not having a presidential candidate gives them the resources to focus on Dublin West.

    As I’ve mentioned, the rise for INDs and Others is interesting but won’t mean anything in the constituencies unless there are certain candidates ready to mop up the support.

    The overall picture is in huge contrast to the B&A poll we saw in the Sunday Times. B&A are clearly overstating the FG vote and they’re understating the Labour vote. Eyes open for that in the future. RedC are much more accurate.

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    • OccupyForFairness 23/10/11 #
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      Hi David… I don’t think that the pres election is going to have that much influence on national politics … more so because it’s about individuals rather than “party politics”….. Also I don’t think labour are holding their own at all…. they are on a very dangerous (for them) slippery slope which IMO they may never recover from… FG following on FF’s policies will be devastated at next election……

      I do think you’re correct about the Inds & Others… however a consensus is very difficult under those circumstances…

      I think the by-election results will be interesting tho…..

    • David Higgins 23/10/11 #
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      Seat Projection based on the poll

      Fine Gael – 69
      Labour – 30
      Sinn Féin – 29
      IND/Other – 24
      Fianna Fail – 14

    • OccupyForFairness 23/10/11 #
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      I think voters numbers will also be interesting David…….. it’ll be good to see if people are getting more apathetic or so fed up that they’ll show it by turning up

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    Fine Gael have really isolated me with the appointment of Gay Mitchell as their Presidential nomination. In fact, so much so, that I think I may join Sinn Féin as a result. It’s important that *equality* is achieved through MARRIAGE EQUALITY Mitchell. The damn homophobic.

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  • Derek Lowbridge 23/10/11 #
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    Unfortunately,it seems that it doesn’t really matter who is in power as all policy decisions seem to have to be passed to Brussels/IMF-EMU for approval?

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    • John Murphy 23/10/11 #
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      Our vile non democratic, vested interest corrupt party political system gave that away. Proper democracy – people can get it back.

  • 23/10/11 #
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    surely it is ridiculous to not give sinn fein support based on the fact they dont have experience in government ( I presume you mean in the republic). why on earth shouldnt we give them a shot when the current crowd let us down? why take two steps back to fianna fail?

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  • Cormac Flanagan 23/10/11 #
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    FF are not dead. Theyll suffer for a few years but they’ll be back in government in the next ten years. They always bounce back(somehow).
    If sinn fein are to capitalize on all this they must break from the past, completely and look to the likes of pierce doc and others. They have to increase their seats in the next election and run more candidates. They also have to put forward a list of policies.
    The next budget will tell alot for the government.
    The rise of the independent s in the last election was an indication in the distrust in the establishment. But they must start banding together more.

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    • Cal Mooney 23/10/11 #
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      Couldnt agree more … I think we will see Martin McGuinness and Gerry Adams bow out of the limelight in the next 4 years. They will hand the reigns over to the next generation, that the Media will not be able to attack and link the party as a whole based on the IRA and the troubles. At that stage, i personally believe, we will be on the cusp of an entirely new era in Irish Politics, and dare i say it, a Government that is not driven by pocket lining and corruption like we have have suffered for the last 2 generations.

    • Cormac Flanagan 23/10/11 #
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      I think the big fear in Irish physique is of the ‘socialists’. People (Esp older) connect socialism to communism. Labour are as far left as most voters will go. While not a fan of socialism myself I feel it has a part to play. Don’t know what they can do to improve their imagine.

  • John Murphy 23/10/11 #
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    They ARE dying! Their traditional core vote (elderly people with a memory of when they thought they stood for something) are passing away. The vanguard of FF are now weeping for real at funerals all around the country.

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    • John Murphy 23/10/11 #
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      Forget the gloom! We should be dancing in the streets!

    • Ryan Murphy 23/10/11 #
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      Watch how fast they get a new lease of life if they get a FF president!

    • John Murphy 23/10/11 #
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      They can only do that through more lies channeled through a so called ‘self made businessman’ with his arms up to the elbows in dodgy deals done dirt cheap to paraphrase AC/DC. A puppet in the park that they can’t slaver over is a narrow victory

  • James Ohare 23/10/11 #
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    And after all the readings from the polls and having learn’t nothing we are going to vote in a FF president…oh what joy!!!!!! NOT!

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    • Cormac Flanagan 23/10/11 #
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      Then he’ll be replacing a FF president

    • John Murphy 23/10/11 #
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      Lookit James! That’s exactly the comment that the FFers love to see all over these threads. People need to see the reality of where these chancers are in the minds of the people that really matter in this country. That’s how a difference will be made

    • John Murphy 23/10/11 #
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      @Cormac
      To be fair she done her country proud and hid the embarrassment at her origins very well.

  • hibernia2011 23/10/11 #
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    fianna fail will have their man in the aras come next weekend. they won’t go away and will be back in 5 years. the Irish people never learn and are afraid of change and we wonder why we are in the mess we are in.same old thing every time.

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  • Bren Adams 23/10/11 #
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    Fianna Fail should be prescribed as an illegal political party
    After the untold damage they done to this country

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  • Cormac King 23/10/11 #
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    it will be interesting to see the support for SF in few years (north and south) as more people join especially young people and possibly as Sinn Féin distance themselves to a certain degree from the IRA connections

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