i think geographical size needs to be considered also here Barty. 1 chief couldn’t possibly cover the size of Ireland. That being said, your points overall are very valid and is very representative of a lot of Irish state run entities; i.e.
So many managers; so little management.

But one lone Garda Commissioner cannot possibly manage the whole of Ireland? Oh….wait…hang on a minute

One commissioner, 3 deputy commissioners and 13 assistant commissioners to be exact.

Sounds like there may be ‘other issues’ simmering in the background causing this dispute?

The problem and it is a very serious one is that the instructers are not active serving firefighters but only pen-pushing bean-counting office clerks, they may have done a course where they were shown how to wear the equipment but have never worn any such equipment in an actual fire!

How many more firefighters have to die before all this red tape bullshit is done away with and most of these fat-arse fire officers get made redundant with only statutory redundancy?

I agree with you foggy_lad
At the end of the day the fire fighters lives depend on the quality of the training being given…. If you read my post again you will see that I agree with you …..

Yes their a lot of issues that the Maia have not mentioned but one is that the coarse there were being sent on this morning was not adequate Roscommon County Council has not upgraded to proper standard so what do they do in the RCC only go and SACK 14 Men bully boy tactics being used? On the part of management I am 100% behind THE BRILLIANT FIRE FIGHTERS OF ROSCOMMON CHIN UP PEOPLE POWER ARE BACKING YEA. BEST WISHES X X X X

True but the guards is one organization FB are ind ran in the different councils.
Ps sorry bout the red thumb. That was me. Fat thumbs.

The majority of those figures in that Sunday Independent article are incorrect. A chief fire officer is on the same pay scale as a senior engineer in local authorities. And how do assistant chiefs in Laois/Offaly earn more than a chief fire officer – that is a basic lie from John Kidd. Also for a chief fire officer to earn 30k in expenses he/she would have to be away on business every night of the week.
Also the ratio of officers to firefighters doesn’t paint a full picture. Half the officers in a lot of counties don’t deal with the brigades day to day and are involved in fire prevention, building control major emergency management etc. i.e. an engineering role. This is something fire authorities in the UK don’t do. The UK is not the same as the Irish Fire Service either – chiefs are paid twice as much for a start. The London Fire Brigade is it’s own entity, with it’s own finance & HR departments. Fire Services in Ireland are part of the Local Authorities.

It’s nit a case of GET BACK TO WORK LADS at all it is a case of going on the right coarse and it is remember PEN PUSHERS that are deciding what the coarse that Our Un-Sung Heroes The Fire Fighters are doing These same Fire Fighters that go to the scenes of Road Accidents House Fires they have even gone to train crashes it is these people who witness these tragedies that none of us the general public could not even begin to imagine and the pen pushers either LOOK AT WICKLOW 2 OF THESE FIRE FIGHTERS WERE KILLED IN THE LINE OF DUTY SO I say to Roscommon County Council do the right thing get the proper coarse up and running get these men back to do what they have trained to do.Let them do it with The skill and Professionalism that they do carry out their work
God bless All Fire Fighters and doing a very hard job wonderfully Thank you Lads I am 100% behind you

@tabnabs. Is that a case of just do what you are told regardless of any flaws or concerns raised? Stay blind,keep quiet,do as your told as we know better.How dare anyone question what we say about how little your opinion counts! Or is it just me.

The army does have trained firefighters, it won’t just be shoved on an untrained soldier, but they do have the capability.

This is one of the reasons we have a defense force.

And if there right bout the breathing app. No good finding out its useless in the midge of a fire.

Second paragraph Cormac…They have a problem with being made to do the refresher training course and being lectured by a training officer who has never worn the breathing apparatus in a real life. I don’t see where it says there is a problem with the breathing apparatus and their refusal to use the equipment due safety concerns.

Unless you have to use a piece of equipment to not only save your life but to rescue others in danger you have no right to tell them to get on with it. If someone who has no practical experience is trying to teach you about a dangerous environment that can’t be accurately recreated in a training facility, it will only lead to one thing, injured or even fatalities in the fire service. They aren’t refusing training and jeopardising their income for the craic.

@andy. Just take it like a man ,eh Andy? Mizaru,Kikazaru and Iwazaru .See no……Hear no……Speak no……Blah blah blah!

No he wouldn’t. There are many firefighters who have stepped into roles of senior officers after obtaining a degree. By obtaining a degree they’ve shown they have an aptitude for analysis, reports, projects, inspecting, the paperwork side of things. There are many station officers and sub officers who are instructors too. It’s not a closed shop for firefighters to move up, it’s just the majority of them are retained and have day jobs so probably don’t wish to. And not every manager or engineer in a factory has worked on the factory floor.