€100 is bad this year, next year it will be a multiple of that when the property tax kicks in properly and also make up the difference of the uncollected household charge.

they wouldnt fluichin want to be

Hogan is facing the toughest test of his entire career.
He is attempting to bring in an immoral tax on peoples homes (Kenny’s words – not mine), at a time when there is massive unemployment, emigration, cutbacks to atrocious public services, poverty, and uncertainty about all aspects of our future.
He is attempting to make criminals of over 80% of the population, who have rightly stood against him.
If the referendum is rejected, the blame will fall entirely on his shoulders, and his political career will be finished. (I think it is finished anyway come the next election).

We were promised so much by this crowd a little over a year ago, yet NOTHING tangible has been achieved.
We have seen where the real power lies – in back corridors and sub committees in Berlin.
We were told not another cent, we expected justice to be delivered on corrupt bankers, we expected abolition of the endless amounts of quangos and radical reform of public services. We were promised the abolition of the Seanad, cuts in the numbers of TDs etc………
Instead we have the continuation of endless amounts of spin and photo opportunities, (mind you some have had to be cancelled – wink wink Enda).
We still have unvouched expenses, allowances for going to work on top of salary, ministerial laundry paid for, breaches of pay ceilings, no movement on corrupt politicians or bankers.
Hogan, if you or your overpaid advisors are reading this, listen carefully – Your usefulness in this society is coming near to an end. Wake up and smell the coffee, listen to what the people are saying. We are sick of you and your ilk, the democratic vacuum that you help create will soon swallow you up.

I see Tom the troll Neville is in a bad mood today who’s been eating his porridge ? What a nasty piece of business you are , try and not be abusive and deal with things rationally and always remember sarcasm is the lowest form of wit . Ps did you ever fill in that landscaping job ?

As George Carlin said “My first rule. I don’t believe anything the government tells me.”

To me this a shameful pr piece. They shouldn’t have to advertise that they will be paying it! In any real country it would be a given. If they had the peoples well being at heart they would scrap it and not replace it with another bogus charge. How many ridiculous fees, charges etc did you have to pay before you even moved into your house. You buy your possessions with your already taxed income. Enough is enough. Throw this charge into the ocean!

It’s a bit strange to start a property tax when the property market is at an all time low. You can say its only €100 but how long before they will want to bring it into line with the rest of Europe, my apartment in France I am paying €800 a year. Property ownership was encouraged for so long and now that we’re all sucked in property tax!

Perhaps if the wording of the Local Government Act 2011 wasn’t so poor then there wouldn’t have been so much confusion over this. The way it is written certainly looks like it’s Ministers’ private properties!

Is there any chancethat Hogan, Kenny and the whole damn government will reduce their salaries to ther average industrial wage during this time of emergency to show solidarity with the people?? That way, when they decide to introduce new taxes, that they will understand 100% what impact it is having on the average person in the state?

If the government insist that we the people pay this tax, then we the people should insist that they never get into office again. Its my opinion that those responsible for electing this shower of shiesters were’nt around in the 80′s or suffer with long term memory loss. Back then they took medical cards from students and put VAT on childrens shoes.
This is one person with a very looooooong memory!

Looks like big bad phil reads the journal.

Sympathies to that child in your avatar : )

The whole thing was lazy from the start. Badly thought out and poorly executed. They asked people to make fools of themselves and donate a sum of money which was to handed over to pay off promissory notes. Then that money would be vanished.
Now the Irish people arent stupid.
They are rolling out the ‘black and tan’ strategy now to terrorise people and frighten them into complying.
We know what happened to the ‘black and tans’.

The government will use any and every bit of media exposure over the next couple of weeks to drive home their demands! The media is only too willing to carry the stories even if they are at odds with each other.

Cna anyone tell me where Labour are on this are they not in government as weel or did I just dream it ?!

Who’s going 2 make them pay? They make the rules we sit bye and give out! And still pay. Our great, lovely country is gone 2 hell my friends

I’m still waiting on a registered letter sent to me personally informing me of what I’m paying for so I can read it then send a cheque back. Until I receive some correspondence and some basic manners from our “government” I will not pay a penny. If the local charity shop or football club or neighborhood watch committed need money I’ll help out as they would have the decency to send me a personal letter.

Im sure there will be a bit more unvouched expenses this month

The power of the people is begining to have effect on goverment……They must be viewing comments made on thejournal.ie.

The Universal Social Charge covers my contribution. Its savage and I have had enough.
So Phil can take it out of that to cover the bill for the uncertified ‘leave’.

Anyway who cares if the ministers house is covered or not we pay there massive wages anyway. Silly to let them release this statement as it only puts fire behind this fake tax that still!!!!…. I’ve received no personal communication about yet from the “government” who want 100 quid from me for something I own without asking me in a proper manner by personal post.

Maybe you should change MINISTER to MINISTRY . . . . doh!

Its recorded in the Dail minutes in black & white on March 13th and they only make a statement about it a week later. Pack of chancers if you ask me. http://debates.oireachtas.ie/dail/2012/03/13/00247.asp

How do you expect people will interpret “RESIDENTIAL property OWNED by a MINISTER of the GOVERNMENT” to anything other than = RESIDENTIAL property OWNED by a MINISTER of the GOVERNMENT???? . . . Is not a Minister’s home a Residential Property OWNED by a MINISTER???? . . . Maybe we’re all mind readers and SHOULD of course have known that it really means ONLY army barracks etc,. . . . .

I bet they will arrest a few bankers before the referendum. I also net they will. E released just after the vote. Phil the bad pill Hogan is a bully plain and simple – a despicable character and needs to be thought some manners. He is such an arrogant so and so that you could mistake him for Pee Wee Flynn. No class, no manners, no use – I say get rid of the messenger as he is repulsive. You would need to be paid to be in his company.

@ Tom Neville, your tone speaks of somebody who’s distain for other people’s opinion suggests that you, yourself may not have the capability to be cognisant that there are vagaries about what Phil Hogan said, as there has been in a great many things that this government has been saying – another example being Enda Kenny stating in the Dail that they haven’t or wouldn’t look for a debt write down, yet Simon Coveney and others were saying ‘he didn’t mean that exactly’
Your comments about jailing people for their stupidity, as you put it, are akin to the irrational behaviour of an irate, spoiled teenager

Does this mean that the second homes that tds use in Dublin while attending the dail will be offset against expenses,or are these properties exempt from the charge…Wait and see how many TDS claim the family home as their clinics or just claim against expenses…Rather spend my time in prison than give these fkers any more tax…At some stage Michael Martin will release the terms and conditions the last government signed up to with the troika and then we will eventually get the truth….

They’ll just add it to their massive expenses they get and the TAX payer will be screwed by them again. If I was getting their pay packet every week for doing f**k all I wouldn’t mind paying it knowing I can claim it back on expenses.

Is anyone else somewhat dubious about the government response today ? In that the response is a pullback of sorts? For instance, the example given would be an army barracks that belongs to the Defence Minister.. But an Army Barracks belongs to the state not a minister and Hogan said ‘Residences of Government Ministers’ … The 2 are miles apart and it just doesn’t make sense!!?

What is it now? a U-Turn by Phil Hogan. It clearly states “Residential property owned by a Minister of the Government”. Margaret Thatcher was brought down with the way she handled the Pole Tax. Is history going to repeat itself?

They’ll just claim it back in TD expenses instead!

If you register for this tax you are basically signing a contract of agreement. You agree to enter into this transaction. So don’t sign it.

Jack lynch gained a huge majority election victory by abolishing tax on cars and rates on private residential properties. And F.F had been languishing in power since. Now we have to pay for all this stupidity and con, which people fell for. We now pay €100.00 per house , what will happen when the old rates are reintroduced by the size of and square measurement of properties comes into force again. I pity all these young couples that built beautiful houses on panoramic and beautiful sites how will they survive, with big morgadeges and all mod cons on credit.
Thank God I am 76 and on the way out
Best of luck to the young people of Ireland.
J.G.F.

Why don’t the corporation have to pay the household tax as they own a lot of houses, why is it only the individual who has to pay for the houses?

Anyone with an apt should check their deeds as most if not all apts have a 99 year lease on them, which means the person who thinks they are paying a mortgage are actually only paying for the lease. So who owns these apt? Is it the government and why then are they charging the lease holder?

I live in a rural area, my choice and i love it. When i built my home 2 years ago i paid €1000 to Galway CC for amenities ( no one knows what these mysterious amenities are you just have to paid it to get planning) I paid to have a top of the range septic tank installed.
I paid to have the water connected on a rural group water scheme.
I paid to have ESB poles erected,
I paid to connect to the Electric Mains.
I paid to have my refuse collected
I paid to have a road built to my home
Now don’t get me wrong I’m not actually complaining about any of that, Well apart from paying the council for amenities that don’t exist. What i do have a problem with is paying a household charge, what is it? what is it paying for more “Amenities”

They are starting to feel really guilty, and they know that they are losing the battle, so they write that they are paying, so to be on our good side. I advice everyone who is not paying to take their money out of their bank, and keep it safe somewhere, so that the government can’t get it, and do it in the next two weeks. I will be going straight to my bank to take my savings out, as they are the only thing I have. If the government are going to be that brutal, that they would take them, they don’t have our interests at heart.

They wont pay it,simple that will be hidden somehow or claimed back.
They wont pay we wont pay.. We are not paying…

Oh did i forget to actually say I bloody pay my tax too! Never ceases to amaze me that an idiot like you regurgitates this verbal vomit on a weekly basis and still doesn’t get it.
You try to come across as an intellectual but really you are showing yourself to be quiet the opposite. I will try to explain it to you once and for all but i really don’t think you will get it. See as an educated man you will probably know that the Irish are one of the highest taxed p/c in Europe. You might also have noticed that despite this fact we have one of the worst health services in Europe, children been treated in port cabins, school system, children been taught in port cabins, roads if they could fit them in a porta cabin they would? I have seen roads in Armenia (a supposed) worse off country that are like highways compared to our road. All I have seen you bring to the table is the same old “public servants are EVIL” stance
Go hug your Eamon Gilmore Poster good man

why should they. be exempt from paying and the huge salaries and unvouched exps they are on…..pure disgrace

@ Desmont O’Toole,
“Residential property owned by a Minister of the Government, a housing authority or the Health Service Executive,” . . . Where in the above does it state: “in his/her capacity as minister”? . . . . . Again “RESIDENTIAL property OWNED by a MINISTER” . . . . I’ve only been speaking English for 56 years now, so that to me, interprets as = RESIDENTIAL property OWNED by a MINISTER! . . . . . Is a Ministers’ home NOT a RESIDENTIAL property OWNED by Him/Her? . . . . . Where do you see the “In his/her capacity as minister”? . . . . ‘Cos I sure as hell can’t find it . . . . . How many Ministers will use this ‘Loophole’ to avoid paying???? . . . . . .

Sorry should read as well !

Surely the property is owned by the ministry and not the minister. Very poor wording.

This was obvious to anyone with half a brain. Its like whack-a-mole with all these conspiracy nuts.

I suppose this needed to be explained for all the ‘thicks’ out there!!

Ridiculous that so many people think that this tax is unheard of and unneeded. We had one till the late 70s when ff did away with it to win an election. Since then we’ve been paying too little tax and our services show it- hospitals, water supply, education etc etc all suffer coz we pay too little tax.

We better all pay or this’ll happen:
http://memegenerator.net/instance/16607700 ;)