Them people leaving are only going away to gain life experience!!!

jj
That is said with tongue in cheek I hope ?
This government need to create jobs ,
not training . Not yet anyway.
People need to feel useful and
worth something. Let people keep thir benefits
increase their SW and start local community schemes.
People will start to spend and that in turn will boost the local economy.

Well said Chris, very well said.
JJ I hope that comment was tongue in cheek as well!!

“We must recognize that there are no workablemacroeconomic solutions which can be laid down: that everything is a matter of functioning microeconomics building things up; that the diamond takes on its lustrous geometry, atom by atom; that the masterpiece hanging in the Louvre came into being brushstroke by painstaking brushstroke.

Only get the microeconomics right and all else will follow.

Make labor once more affordable and its terms no longer and indentured servitude for the employer. Ensure that entrepreneurship is no more risky than it has to be and that it reaps the full fruits of its success – as well as seeing that it bears the full responsibility for its failure – by clarifying law, minimizing red tape, and, once this is achieved, by resisting the bureaucratic urge to tinker any further.

Set prices free to perform their function, insist that markets are able to clear, and see to it that titles to property are both secure and simple to transfer. Under such circumstances, we will each help to build a lasting recovery for the other, one job and one company at a time, much more certain of our success – however much patience will be required in its achievement -than if we were to heed the thundering decree of some sweeping, Collectivist Five-Year Plan emanating from the mouths of the tin gods who frequent the Platonic centers of world power.”
Sean Corrigan (The Wasteland)

Your not!!

Very true!!

I’m sure it was something I read about Cowan, that said , he was hoping for 100,000 to leave Ireland every year, which would help bring down the unemployment.

Two ridiculous claims in that.
1) There are some jobs, not a lot and not near what we need but there are some so you can’t say there are none.
2) While a lot of people lost their jobs through no fault of their own, it’d be idiotic to assume that there wasn’t any who lost jobs through no fault of their own.

*a fault of their own.

It’s not correct to assume 11% were previously employed. You have to allow for graduates and school leavers coming on to the labour Market having a look around and taking the assumption feic it there’s no jobs I’m as well stay go on the dole.

Well said Melanie !

Yes, well said!!

Only those who refuse to engage will have a reduction in benefits

No it won’t Stephen.

Why am i thinking forced Labour.

But they won’t be cutting them off, it’s only if they refuse to accept available work or training!

@ David Higgins….Training such as this:

http://intern.jobbridge.ie/Default.aspx?q=B+fomdowzS8kaDnSlUDk1zaMUPiFEeNrNWjviinu490thmC2C0u+DIj7YG3Nw1vGNt58lbL2kJLqQ+yytub8qIl/mQJsddnRr4One4qR4tkPoF0cHg2SmBnrsLLCtTUdEZ8X5rD4tcum+tAwV60o8ZqEsGT6FXteYqHfVcPXc5vk7XHmhEZJM/N45qSMQTAsdYK7fZtG9NT4TLevNZ3M8C7iMWc9rPaQJyyoH432Pe3q9DS3gZ4tO9CmMw8iUz5qWBYhpHAoc++ovHIN5IBe4+zMIchhqj7x8OtrXAtkoQIT59BGZV+OyBcfjNfdwMlRQl0MVELRz9rCCr2XHfIX8jFZgEFICryhwvVq6r6X9c4X5w7LhB8JVwF37HX4NDQXZ8i5dAVlNN3RIRM89q6vANmDlZ57o8k8Q0mnAaAeJCT0u3EPbx9y3rX7d3YH1RyR5EHLziIg0W5JeqhW8uHIj4hGEPcCZue0uprSjmDoXz0=

David, when they used the same trick in Britian, people were cut off, for no reason.

@Mark Rodgers – above post.

Oh the irony – should read ‘approx. 20% not 25%.

“If politicians were punished financially for what they do wrong and did wrong” they would owe the country billions of euro. Pity that will never happen.

Maybe it time for governments, ministers and TD’s to upskill as well cause they clearly dont know what there there doing , They’re all wafflers who talk themselves into a job that their not qualified to do. Ex- what qualifies a teacher for instance to run a country?

@ged_star: Agreed.

But they still judge the unemployed as being wrong by using opinions when the truth and evidence says something else, which is perverse.

@jrbmc: Agreed.

Democracy does not set standards or test for skills for whom gets in to Dail Eireann.

Sometimes the system should be designed to keep them out of positions of responsibility before they do harm.

The real problem is if we had an honest politican standing for election, who said it as it is, didn’t make false promises etc, He would never get elected, most people would vote for the guy who promises i’m gonna do this or i’ll never do such an such. I’m a dreamer because what I would love to see is politicans of all colours working together for the country, forget the showboating. A really good place to start would be to come together around the creation of jobs. Also prosecute the corrupt banker, I’m no fan of the usa, but if the same thing happened there, they would have prosecuted those responsible immediately. I listened to a smug lawyer say on radio that most cases couldn’t be prosecuted because they would be to complex for the ordinary lay man to understand, what arrogance, If the political will was there prosecutions would be happening. At least then we could Start to put this behind us

@Tom Kenny: They won’t prosecute in Ireland because they have been using opinions to circumvent the rules for so long that the rule books are meaningless when applied to the rich.

They are quiet good at applying law in social welfare tribunals to defraud social welfare recipients, who do not get protection by law.

Never!!

…..and then copied it !

Well if that’s what you think, then you definitely won’t get a job where you need some get up and go.

 Oh yessssss! I’m the great….. pretender !!

How can you stack shelves at Tesco when Tesco have had a recruitment freeze for the last two years( in the west at least)?
Simply, there are no jobs to be had and if you want evidence, look at the amount of people leaving Ireland for work with the possibility they will never return.

It was a metaphor Sid. I’m pretty sure that IDS was’t referring only to X-Factor viewers. Or to stacking shelves at Tesco. I think he was probably aiming at the entitlement culture that is so prevalent in the UK, but can also be seen here.

The simple fact is that here are jobs out there. Yes, they may be lower paid and less glamorous than what you really want, but I can assure you it is a hell of a lot easier finding something better when you are gainfully employed than it is when you are out of work completely. Or you could take the traditional view- start at the bottom and work your way up, just a quick heads up- this can take a few years.

Impeach for stupidity? So we throw out legal process, get the Taoiseach to impeach for stupidity…and call people “schmucks”.

Tom

Do you not think its is dangerous to have a High Court Judge who is stupid?

Cheers

Dverajan

That depends on whether or not you’ve stopped beating your wife. (I jest, but your posts are non sequiter and completely bonkers.)

@Devrajan Srinivasan: A few more details on how you achieved this action would be helpful.

Devrajan….you seem to be suggesting that Enda Kenny is not upholding the law.

Perhaps you might elaborate and give us all a good laugh as to how Enda Kenny is breaking the law and where you obtained such information that Enda Kenny is breaking the law.

Tom Neville, LoyalIrishCitizen

All Enda as the PM has to do is direct Central Bank to order Permanent TSB to pay the “outstanding interest”, to use a polite expression to the depositors (mostly widow and orphans) who have been underpaid between 1958 to 1993.

This will bring a lot of money into the economy and some red faces at the bank where you are a ‘VIP’.

How apt that judge named Windle put a stop to the swindle, pardon the rhyme

Cheers

The lowly common informer who failed in maths at school a la Bart Simpson

I think you might be a little confused between the powers of the Taoiseach and the powers of the courts.

The Taoiseach cannot make make a finding of illegality. That is a matter for the courts.

So you are saying that the Taoiseach should usurp the powers of the courts and by not doing so he failed to uphold the law? I’m pretty sure that you have just defamed the Taoiseach though I doubt very much that he will sue. :)

It’s funny you say that Tom, because where does that line between Courts and Dail exist?????

Kenny and Ahere before him, have made many attempts to twist the law, and take court power.

Most recently there was a referendum, with the elections, to make one of these powers they were after legal.
Thank God, it failed, but he will not stop there.

And Lisbon, from what I read, they took alot of powers into there own hands then.

And Cowan with by-elections, trying to hold on to power. so, where is that line exactly????

Tom,

My apologies for adding a new comment instead of replying to your comment. It will not allow me to copy and paste the new comment. So, please see my new comment below.

Devrajan

This is not true at all. Britian has a very similar problem.

Why would people need to be incentivised to work? Work and a decent income are incentive enough, if the work is there…

Let’s say 100 staff interview 5 people a day and write up reports 5 days a week 48 weeks a year that 120000 people anyway so if there are say 480000 people to be interviewed once it will take 4 years to interview people.
Interesting figures to be achieved

With such a small gap between welfare and work there is unfortunately a lack of incentive to work in Ireland in some cases.

Personally I work 18-20 hours part time and only earn slightly above the basic job seekers rate. You then factor in free medical cards and other benefits and there is a real potential for welfare traps!

Reducing welfare rates for people who don’t engage in job seeking or training is a must but is only for the small few who find themselves in that trap.

Likewise FF. They’re the ones who’ve allowed this to go on for so long and who have us in this mess. No credibility at all either!

ditto!

Well seeing as you always bring up the North- the shinners have A Lot of experience getting inward investment and job strategies- even with a higher corporation tax. And stephen you charged the people of Ireland thousands to maintain 1 website- although not legally fraud (in correspondance to Fianna Fails corruption) but morally it is indefensible

What are you on about?

Tom

TSB has either paid the advertised interest or not between 1958 to 20 Feb 1993.

Surprise, surprise, the trustees, employees and agents of the bank helped themselves to the full advertised interest. ( It must be rather painful to defraud yourself.)

The corollary from the convictions and fines imposed by Dublin District Court and affirmed by Dublin Circuit Court is that the advertised interest rates between 1958 to 1993 were fraudulent.

We are not talking about opinions here. One of the few things perfect in life is maths. Regardless of your political leanings, nationality, education etc, if Hanna is stupid, let us call him stupid and if TSB has defrauded most depositors from 1958 to 20 Feb 1993, let us call the Harry Lorton, Gerry Walsh fraudsters and thieves.

You know a shop keeper is a thief, if he or she gives you the incorrect change all the time.

No depositor has given his informed consent to TSB to hold monies on deposit in the savings or investment account for up to 60 days without earning a penny in interest.

Documentary fraud is easy to trace.

So, please do not piss against the wind

Cheers.

Devrajan

Seriously, what are you on about?

A few thumbs down, but no one brave enough to actually contradict the truth.

Thats funny, if I had a Euro for everyone I know that said, they wished they could find a job in which they could use their skills, I’d be a millionaire.

If I got a euro for every job I applied for this year I would be 49 euro richer, if i got a euro for every application that went unnoticed and received no reply i would have an additional 47 euro.

Why stop at IT Tom, why not suggest someone becomes an astronaut :P

Dermot,
When I left college I applied for hundreds of jobs and got hundreds of rejections. Unemployment was at 12%, not far off its current level.
If you want to earn money as an IT developer, what is stopping you?

Patrick,
Develop new skills. There’s no rule to say you can’t learn new skills.

Did you read what I said Tom, obviously not. They have skills and qualification up and above whats needed in any western European country, and can’t get work, because it’s not there.

Retrain, I’ve been through four different types of engineering in 20 year, retraining for each one. Then what happens, the work dries up. Retrain again. so you do, and it happens all over again.

Job creation is the answer, both in Ireland and Britian, and anyone that says anything else, hasn’t got a clue what they are on about, and that includes the goverment, that hasn’t anyway, as they don’t want to.

Patrick,
A thousand jobs were announced this week. Have you trained in language skills?

You just can’t read can you. You could do with basic training, forget about retraining.

Join Vinod an the RTÉ site, that is his mentality.

Rally around a Government where Enda earns more then Obama in the USA. Tds earn more then british MP. Maybe they should show a example. But NO. Instead they look to see if they can employ people on JobsBridge so they do not hace to pay a Fair day Pay. Typical

We had a National Training Agency Called FAS

Mark, in other words preserve the status quo. That’s really working for us. A fair day’s wage for a fair day’s work is plenty incentive for the vast majority of people. More efficient use of taxpayers money is needed in more areas than just social welfare.

Mark- SF are part of the Stormont administration not Westminster, where that particular decision is made

No Mike, they are PAID more than their Westminster counterparts, they certainly don’t earn more!

Three words for you Mark..
Cost. Of. Living.

The payments are lower in the North, but so is the cost of everything. A tin of bachelors beans, made in Ireland, are cheaper in the UK than here, substantially cheaper..
Fuel is cheaper, utilities are cheaper. And their housing benefit is a little more realistic (and not nearly as misunderstood) as ours. So it works out as pretty much the same.

If anyone thinks that unemployement benefits are enough to live comfortably on, or that rent allowance is too high, I would invite them to try it. It’s not all its cracked up to be.

Recently TV3 programme showed there is now very little difference in prices between Republic and Northern Ireland

Stephen, I find that very difficult to believe. The dole in the UK is £67.50 (according to the guys talking about the UK equivalent of our jobbridge scheme last week).
That’s roughly €80 per week.
Ad the maximum pay out of rent supplement which is €35.70 (around Dublin, it’s far less in areas where rent prices are lower)

Tell me, could you feed yourself, clothe yourself, pay your bills and your rent / mortgage on €115 or less per week down south?