That jobridge slave scheme is utterly disgraceful.

Dave, it’s an absolute disgrace! And I Can not believe its allowed when it’s blatantly being misused by employers such as tesco’s! Jobs bridge and this scheme are not going to do much in the way of getting people back to work, because quite simply there is not enough to go round. It’s all about shifting figures to make it look like the register is shrinking. A perfect example is every sept when people enrol back into college…. Always a drop in ‘figures’ then. But the actual % of unemployment is the same if not worse. I hate the way this Gov are penalising people like this, it makes my blood boil.

I know of one girl who was sent to an insurance office through one of those internship schemes. After a few months they said to her to take the insurance exams at her own expense (about 600e) per exam. they then told her to register as self employed and theyd just take her on a contract. She would then have to pay her own prsi etc. So many scams out there and the unemployed is at everyone’s mercy.

Gissa job!

Good luck with the job search Yosser. Keep at it. You’ll get there…

and what i said before training training training…at a certain stage you DO NOT WANT ANYMORE training!!!!!! A job would do!! i have so many skills unbelieveable and….. does not help!

what she means is she doesnt want any disabled or lone parents upsetting her plan to diddle the live register numbers

Enda thought that giving people jobs would be money out of his pocket…

Spot on Ailis!

Same thing happened to me, tis’ a sad state of affairs we’re in really.

They should stimulate employers to OFFER that job and not use them in ADVANTAGE FOR THEM – this bad climate makes the worker suffer not the employer! Its all about the money. And also – dont get me wrong I love the country and prefer it to the cities – but very bad if you know someone you get the job if not…well even worse if you are an outsider…. and if you get one, like i have the ce scheme til the end of the year you get always laughed at or made jokes at as you are a “foreigner” out of village lol even your english is muuuuch better than the ones living and dying in the village. WELL HOPE IS ALL….

Should be entitled “Emigrate to a better future”.

Spin, spin and more PR fancy words spin.
I’ve heard it all before with FAS, Manpower, AnCo, etc!
I supposed will will hear similar now with “Solas” – the latest PR spin replacement!

…might I suggest “corridors to slavery”

Is a contract valid if enter into under threat?… I would have thought this falls under duress thereby nullifying it – but I’m no barrister.

The only contract I’ll be signing is a contract of employment!! Not a Makeyupy one that makes me take on a slave robsbridge ‘internship’ when I have ample experience with third level education to benefit the right employer.

Yeah, the right employer.

It seems Joan Burton forgets that the majority of those on Welfare are there through no fault of their own. Also why do people pay Social Insurance? Irish people need to put a stop to this bullying.

@Yvonne Byrne: They also seem to forget that parents and grand parents and the generations before pay into these systems.

I agree that we need to stop them abusing peoples rights but they also set up the legal board to sit as judge and jury by using opinions. Its nearly impossible to get legal aid to challenge these people.

I remember the bullshit lectured in Britain by the Tory Government under Maggie Thatcher. The two buzz words then were ‘ scheme ‘ and ‘programme’, as in Job Creation Scheme and Community Programme. You basically worked for your dole plus ten pounds extra for expenses. They weren’t real jobs and certainly not long term. Because I rode a bicycle at the time I was offered a placement taking cycle parts out of cardboard boxes and putting on the saddles! A job for life there!!! Looks like Ireland will go the same way.

Your classed as long term unemployed after only 12 months on the live register.!! This is not long term.

They did, apparently. Then a monster was born…

@Sean Claffey: Leave everybody to starve and then you won’t have customers. Have you got any other bright ideas.

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Nice! and I like the Link ;)

I agree and if we all see it a bit positive like you Robbie we are even one step further ;-) Lets stay positive and stop moaning (me included lol) ;-) !!!!

I@ Robbie: If they were trying to improve people’s lives in the long-term Robbie, our governemnt would not be constantly putting forward the impression that the majority of people on welfare are on it by “choice”, with no intention of looking for work. This is untrue: the vast majority do want to work, and the fact remains that the jobs are not there. That is what comes with a recession- higher unemployment, and lower job opportunities. Pressuring the unemployed into training and jobs that have no relation to their previous qualifications or work is not going to help and shows a complete lack of respect for their daily efforts and for the struggle that they and their families are going through. It will lead to further strain and stress and quite frankly is a waste of real human potential.

I MUST emphasise: when jobs were available a few years ago, unemployment was c. 3%, i.e. almost everybody wanted to work. Now that there is mass unemployment, this hasn’t changed- it simply means that the work is not there.
@ Karl: I doesn’t matter how many jobs initiatives are launched, as long as the ACTUAL jobs themselves do not exist, unemployment will remain high.

As Eimear says “People who don’t want to work never will. They know the system better than any government ever will. And the other 400k who actually do want work won’t have their lives enriched much by the constant tirade of press conferences for the latest jobs initiative.”

I am glad that most people here realise that this latest announcement is entirely unhelpful and insulting. For the remainder, don’t be fooled into thinking that this is anything other than an attempt to justify further cuts in social welfare and give the impression of lower unemployment levels by placing people on FAS courses. The greatest success of this government and the last has been creating a division between many groups in society- public and private sector workers, employed and unemployed, local and foreign, etc. This has served fantastically to divert attention away from the real problem of resources being pumped into the wrong places. When we wake up to realise that any of us could one day be part of one of the above groups, we will start making real progress.

Iain, just saw this now there isn’t no jobs what a stupid idea, there are some jobs, not a lot and not near what we did but there are jobs and it’s not insulting.

I also said it is good that something is done and has to be done – good step better than nothing and I am also sick of all the moaning, doesnt bring us anywhere! I also believe that we are far better off than Greece for example as we have a kind of structure and government which greece lacks totally! And I also always had many thumbs down lol due to my comments that I STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT IRELAND ITS GONNA MAKE IT!!!! With the flexibility the irish people have and I personally admire and a bit of correction of mind and thinking…IRELAND IS WELL ABLE TO STABILISE ITSELF IN ITS OWN STRENGTH!!1 Thumbs up!!! ;-)

@Kerryspirit Chris Good and we will make it if people endured it. Everyone hates being told No on things, its human nature but we are designed to live on needs not wants and it’s time we realized that before we find its too late like Greece have now found out.

Also Mx, very good points.

But I disagree re:sandwich shop.

I agree the ones who see unemployment as lifestyle they should be MADE to go back to work if there is work – spot on! The minority more and more though and most of us just want to work to pay their bills which is not enough WITHOUT a job…..

Kerryspirit Chris I agree some are needy but you can’t say there aren’t ones who genuinely need some money but not all they get from government.

I’d reckon the majority have some form of discretionary spending(i.e they probably drink coca cola, get dellys ham,chocolate bars etc when they can get water and daily basics food and not a bar of whole nut) while it may be small bit of help and while they would still require government aid as Tesco says ‘every little helps’.

Furthermore, the government launched this initiative, they’re doing something and somethings better than nothing.

If you want to get back to work use every government initiative, the JobsSearch in the menu of this site, jobs.ie,HireLand etc and hope for the best, it might take a while but eventually you’ll get there. I’m just pointing out if you look at the comments people comment on Enda and criticize the government and banks,etc but forget about the PTSB thing and that government is actually doing something rather than sitting on their arses like FF/G. I understand you’re looking for work and trying to pay bills, it’s not easy and it does cause you pain maybe you are telling the truth and on genuine basics but there are a ton of resources and people aren’t aware of them always and I believe from this article government is genuinely trying to make people aware of all the initiatives. I’m not criticizing those on unemployment who absolutely 100% genuinely need it but those moaning about government(especially when it’s just because of the banks) and private companies alike helping as they are but people aren’t always aware of it or they’re put off from them due to false accusations made by someone who never even used the schemes they are moaning about.

How would people lose their homes if PTSB wasn’t propped-up by the State? Don’t think it works that way. If a bank went belly-up its loans would be transferred elsewhere. Probably bought at huge discounts by other institutions…

No bank will take toxic loans Michael, the goods one they’ll take them but the toxic ones, keep dreaming lad.

Hence the big discounts, Karl. You may be a bit out of your depth here. You’re a rational type. If you owe a bank money and the bank goes bust, who do you owe the money to?

The receiver Cuthbert and they’ll do anything to get it including taking your home of you if you owe so much.

You also have a binding contract. A receiver couldn’t change that. As long as you keep up repayments, no-one can touch you. If you can’t keep up payments, is doesn’t matter who you owe the money to. But there are statutory protections in that case…

Yes Michael but if you aren’t keeping up which a lot aren’t even with the protections they can take the home and they would if it meant a profit for them, that’s the bit you don’t seem to see.

We seem to agree then. If, like a substantial majority of people, you keep up the payments, you’re fine, whether the bank is solvent, nationalised or in receivership. If, like a significant minority, you can’t keep up the payments, you’re in not such a happy place, whether the bank is solvent, nationalised or in receivership. So what’s your point?

My point is if the bank goes bankrupt the receivers could become more vile(as in repossess at a speedier pace) and that’s not a gamble I’d take.

Also, remember a lot of people work in those banks and they loose their jobs how do they pay for their homes? They can’t , adding to those not keeping up and decreasing government tax revenue.

Many bank employees have lost their jobs. Many more will go in the future. Remember, the banks aren’t lending so much these days. There’s less work to do and as they’re making losses, so they’re cutting costs. Anglo/INBS will employ no one once wound down. EBS is in with AIB. We can expect branch closures. There’s a steady decline in numbers employed by the banks. That’s not making headlines. Your original point was that if the PTSB hadn’t received State support, people would lose their homes. My point is, if a bank, or any entity owes a heap of money and goes belly-up, the bank’s lenders lose. If you borrow from a bank and the bank goes belly-up, who do you lose to?

The receiver who takes your home when you can’t keep up Michael, some banks ended up in situations because or partially because they weren’t repossessing homes but receivers do repossess, they only say cash on a scale a lot worse than the banks. Average mortgage arrears: close to €1,500 Average mortgage behind its contract arrears: €15,000, do you think with those losses receivers are going to keep those current tenants? Of course they won’t.

Of course people are going to loose their jobs anyway but if PTSB goes(which it’s not thanks to the guarantee), there is everyone in one of the states largest banks unemployed. Are you telling me you would of let everyone in every bank except BOI(profitable) loose their jobs, even the little struggling old lady at the counter?