It is all about oil …… Nothing else. USA & Europe need the oil and will do whatever it takes to get their hands on the limited supplies remaining.
Israel will forever feel hard done by. If they invade Iran all hell will break loose.

Greed or Power Lust.

Here’s Rick Santorum talking about the “wonderful” programme the US has to assassinate scientists suspected of working on Iranian nuclear armament..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8uNcIEvGdo&feature=youtube_gdata_player

You could construe this as US admissions of taking the first steps to war.. Or you could just say its Rick Santorum and he says crazy things!!

Also governed by maniacs who kill and die for an invisible being

1 barrel of oil =4 yank soldiers and 10,000 middle eastern civilians

Israel has nothing to do with it. Iran has been threatening its neighbours across the strait and tying to subvert their governments for years.

@ Adam Magari

Thank you. Someone with sense!
There is many here that refuse to see that or just plainly are that stupid – they can’t see it!
Those will be the ones that will be giving you and I red votes of disapproval!

Iran HASCbeen threatening its neighbours across the strait and tying to subvert their governments for years – just imagine how cocky and dangerous they will be when they have enough nuke material to create a workable missile loaded with said material and/or a dirty bomb!
…So the other surrounding nations will want the same capability – and thats the crux of the argument – but people STILL refuse to see it.
Iran is creating a situation that will have a domino effect – and when all the others try and catch up with Iran in the region, then when just one of them fires or ignites something that will kill in huge numbers, the whole world will eventually suffer as many will take further treaty and/or ideological sides.

…But of course there is a few here that clearly can’t or want to see the above.
All they rant about is bad old America (who are NOT innocent anyway) but they fail to see a looming larger problem while they take an opportunity to give out about the USA!

it never ceases to amaze me how many irish people support imperialism

@ Revolting Peasant

It never ceases to amaze me how much ranting you do against the USA.
They are NOT innocent in this matter or in other matters – HOWEVER that don’t take away from the fact that there is other bad nations in the world also creating serious problems – and Iran is one right now

…But you carry on just using the opportunity to USA bash!
Its all about what your good at!

lol ‘thats all you do’, you just carry on believing the hollywood version of things

…And you just carry on with your ant-USA rants!

@unitedpeople are you ruth dudely edwards by any chance?

allowing inspections didnt help iraq

Well.. The inspectors said there was nothing and the US went in anyway.. That’s something that certainly needs to be addressed, and I believe Iran requested non US inspectors due to the mistrust this caused.

On top of that, as anyone who reads the IAEA document linked by Mattoid there will see, the IAEA put the allegations they received to Iran, and Iran responded with a document that confirmed some things and rejected others as falsified documents. This also would engender distrust and requires investigation. We cannot dismiss these allegations while pursuing others. This would imply a bias.

I merely say that if Iran were to allow full and open inspection and can prove that they are not pursuing weapons it would be a far more resounding slap in the face of their accusers than war talk..

If the US try to pull off another pre-emptive strike on the basis of another big propaganda excursion they will ultimately destroy themselves. That is, if people will wake up out of their slumber and notice the false flag..

but they are a sovereign country, will the usa or israel allow iranian inspectors into their facilities? it boils down to the same thing

Good point, I don’t know about the US, they might object to having an Iranian inspector – I can’t confirm or denture this..
Israel however, I can guarantee they wouldn’t have an Iranian inspector check them out, or any other nationality for that matter!!

Haha, denture? I typed deny..
DAMN YOU AUTOCORRECT!!

only country issuing threats is Iran

head in the sand syndrome

OK RP, enlighten us with who you see as the aggressor!

The EU are the ones who imposed sanctions on Iran, if previous middle eastern conflict is anything to go by id say the USA are

lets see now, number of countries nukes iran has dropped on civilians=0, number of nukes usa has dropped on civilians=2, number of countries iran has invaded since ww2=0, number of countries usa has invaded since ww2=Guatemala, twice
Cuba
Dominican Republic
Grenada
Korea
Lebanon
Vietnam
Laos
Cambodia
Iran, twice
Libya, thrice
Panama
Iraq, twice
Somali
Yugoslavia
Bosnia
Kosovo
Afghanistan
Philippines
Honduras
Nicaragua, are we beginning to see the picture here?

http://academic.evergreen.edu/g/grossmaz/interventions.html

RP your grasp of the meaning of the word invasion is somewhat loose…Bosnia Kosovo Lebanon all under UN mandate. Iraq in.1991 in.response to.Iraqi invasion of soverign state again with UN mandate and massive world backing. Grenada in response to coup detat which threatened US citizens. When did they invade Guatemala Honduras please? Vietnam the South Vietnamese asked for US assistance which admittedly got them bogged down. Afghanistan in response to act of war against USA. I.also dont recall an invasion of Dominican Republic. Russia..Hungary Czechoslovakia Afghanistan Georgia. China invaded Tibet

Can you provide the dates for your alleged 3 invasions of Libya? Somalia was a UN mandated operation to safegaurd civilians. When exactly did US invade Iran…they did launch a rescue attempt for civilian hostages

Korea was a UN sanctioned war against the aggressivevactions of DPRK backed by China

stop being lazy colm and google it, i will however, point out that laos, a country that the usa was never officially at war with, is the most bombed country in the world, to this day large numbers of its citizens get killed and maimed from buried, unexploded cluster bombs, what does the usa do about it? nothing! the ends justify the means, eh colm?

…And the USA opportunistic bashing continues – overlooking other problematic nations conveniently!

‘problematic nations’, you sum it up nicely

Pardon me for making a typing mistake in the middle of your usual anti-USA rants!

Iran’s nuclear program is only the fuel needed to get in and create another regime change, and god help the Iranian population if that happens. They have every reason to distrust the US and the Zionists running Israel and those pushing for military action state-side, they have been subverting the countries government for decades, Israel want to crush any potential challenge to Israel’s possession of stolen Palestinian lands and the U.S. fears any indigenous threat to its military dominance of the Middle East.

The Shi’ite population would be fucked if a Sunni Govt where installed and they most certainly would. Saudi A. and surrounding countries would be creaming their pants to see Iran weakened as its the only Shia led Govt, in the region. With the amount of US military bases around me, would have me on the defensive also, to think yourself different in such a situation is disillusion.
The US and Israel have been threatening pre-emptive strikes on Iranian facilities for years, and Israel has said it wont wait for US approval and will hit without notice on more than one occasion.

@Colm Mooney: Just Google “Israel threatens Iran” and you get 66 million results, the first 5 pages of full of results from MSM sources dating back years. To claim Iran is the ONLY one issuing threats makes it hard to believe or take anything you say on the subject with any weight or credibility as your not even trying to make a truthful claim.
As far back as 2005 we have; http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/94212#.T0UH-XloMtw

I want no one to attack anyone, those calling for attacks from either side or supporters of such must be labelled and pointed out. Only civilians will pay for the bloodshed being called for by paranoid warmongers and that must not be allowed at any cost.

Iv googled it and cannot find 3 invasions of Libya by US…Laos was invaded ny North Vietnam in 1958 which I found interesting. Im no lover of the CIA but I repeat…your use of the term invasions is loose in.the extreme. Fyi im.on.record here as stating Iraq2 & wmd was a gignatic clusterf**k. But tell me do you really want an Iran whise leader leads a crowd in chanting “Death to Israel” in.scenes reminiscent of Nuremburg rallies to have nuclear weapons? A country that sponsors as much destabilisation in.third parties as the CIA does? Why are they ramping up the enrichment process way above what is reqd for medicine or cibil.power? Why have they docked naval ships in Tartus?

ok colm, i exaggerated a bit, but the sentiment remains the same, they are the biggest arms dealers, the biggest warmongers and the biggest killers of civilians on the planet, all justified through bullshit propaganda, they use excuses like wmds and righteous intervention to pick and choose where they mete out ‘justice’, they cause more problems than they solve, do you not remember g dubya bush inauguration speech? the bit where he said he will not allow anyone to interfere in the oil supply? i recommend reading the lonely planet guide to central asia year 2000 edition for some perspective, they backed saddam hussein in the iran iraq war, they supplied osama bin laden during the russian invasion, need i go on?

Exagerrated a bit! Now we are getting somewhere. Dubya is gone..with luck.Obama will get 2nd term. Yrs they sell weapons..so do Russia China UK France hell some of our captains of industry are even involved in weapons business. Iran does not need nuclear weapons…imo noone does but some countries have them.and it should stop there. Theocratic dictatorships like Iran are a danger to the world…hamas hezbollah. Now iv got to go.and obey my domestic dictator!

yes colm, a bit, not much, i am 40 years old and i cannot remeber any 5 year period in that time when the usa were not at war or ‘intervening’ in some country, no other country has anything close to the number of arms incidents, so listing out those countries that also sell arms or invade etc is not an excuse for the usa to do it, 500 wrongs dont make 15 rights

What it boils down to is Sunni and Shia, Saudi Arabia and Iran. Both are, in my opinion, fucked up countries with equally despicable rulers. They fight their little proxy wars (Lebanon, Syria, Iraq…) and cause endless misery across the middle east. What’s the difference between the two? One is allied with the US and one isn’t. That makes one the bad guy. It’s not about Iran versus the US, it’s not about Iran versus Israel, it’s Iran versus Saudi arabia! Why do you think Iran is so harsh with bin laden’s crew? Because they want to defend freedom? No, it’s because they are Wahhabists, and by extension they’re Sunni Saudi Arabia. Normally I’d be the first to do some American bashing but in this case?! I dunno, Iran or Saudi Arabia? They’re not great options!

Sure british,france,germany,america,russia, china,etc etc all have weapons of mass destruction….

mensah, perhaps you could provide details of Germany’s WMD?

I don’t believe the Germany Govvt. has WMD, but they do exist and plenty of them on the US military bases there.

I don’t believe the Germany Govt. has WMD, but they do exist and plenty of them on the US military bases there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_with_nuclear_weapons
and point yourself to the “Nuclear Weapons Sharing” paragraph.

Just curious, as Germany itself is not, and never has been, a nuclear state.

Paper never refused ink.. As my mother used to say.. And here’s another one for you…. Read between the lines!!!!

Well said United…spot on.totally

Follow this link for the recent IAEA report which provides compelling evidence from multiple sources (including independent sources and Iran itself) that Iran has persistently engaged in activities related to nuclear weapons development, including research, procurement and component testing, in clear contravention of its UN obligations. Section G and the Annex particularly refer…

http://isis-online.org/uploads/isis-reports/documents/IAEA_Iran_8Nov2011.pdf

The West are the single biggest threat to peace and stability in the Middle East. To argue otherwise takes remarkable levels of moral contortionism.

What makes it so frightening is that you are a hawk and you don’t even realise it. Wake up! Take your head out of the sand, apply the same moral principles to ‘Us’ as you do to ‘Them’.

Who said anything about us and them? I simply believe that every country has international obligations and should be called to task when they are flouted, regardless of who they are if they wish to remain in ‘the club’.
Is military intervention justified? Absolutely not. Should the international community turn a blind eye to events in Iran? Absolutely not. Should the same standards be applied to all countries? Absolutely.

Can’t really see how this makes me a hawk. If I am, then you’d better accept that the UN are also hawks.

Mattoid, may I ask you, as you say all nations should comply with IAEA checks and balances (on which I agree with you), what is your viewpoint on Israel?

As a nation with a history of aggression toward its neighbours (for which the UN has censured, but not punished them several times), who have used chemical weapons on civilians, have their own extremist elements within their society – but like Iran are largely secular, and have been known to partake in shady operations on foreign soil..
There’s compelling evidence that they are in possession of nuclear weapons too.

Would you agree that they should be a focus of the IAEA aswell? I’m asking purely out of curiosity, nothing more.

Shanti, although its going slightly off topic, I have said that I believe the same standards should apply to all countries, which includes Israel. From the arab world’s point of view Israel would seem to fit nicely into the western world’s definition of a ‘rogue state’.
As you corrrectly point out, there is compelling evidence that Israel is a nuclear state, and is widely believed to be so, however Israel has neither confirmed nor denied this. Whether it is or isn’t, it probably suits Israel as a strategy for the world at large to believe so, given its numerous conflicts with its neighbours.

I knew it was off topic, which was why I said I asked from curiosity.. But at least we seem to be in agreement..
Every nation with nuclear capacity should be monitored in exactly the same way. It is however a bit strange that they aren’t..

I found it strange to hear you refer to “compelling evidence”, when on this and other threads you have dismissed evidence as meaningless unless it constitutes concrete proof.

As it happens, I also believe that on the balance of available evidence Israel probably does have access to nuclear weapons, however on the standards you have set on another thread this belief is irrational because there is no solid proof.

The reason I chose those words was because that is is how you described the evidence against Iran above.

I don’t object to Iran submitting to inspections, I just have to say I find the whole thing immensely biased.. If they’re going to treat Iran the way they do, why don’t the same rules apply to Israel?
I’m sure that hasn’t escaped the attention of the leaders of Iran either..
But it seems we are in agreement there.. Nuclear energy / weaponry should not be available to ANY nation unwilling to comply with the IAEA, end of. But if there is any reason at all that people could view the IAEA as biased then their power and credibility is affected, and that’s not good, for anyone. This needs to be addressed.. Along with the possibility of falsified documents and the invasion of Iraq under false pretences, I know if I was in any of those countries I’d be feeling a tad persecuted right now..

I certainly DO NOT.

I do think that the UN including Russia and China (China by the way is finally starting to agree with the rest of the UN, leaving Russia to be more on its own) should stop wasting further time on useless motions and grow a set of unified ball and get this mess sorted out!