Justice Kelly is merely pointing out a human trait that lives within most humans.
It is called greed.
Quinn is no doubt at the top of the greed scale.
Where do you rate yourself?
Or have you never evaded tax or accepted undeclared cash for a nixer etc?

No on both counts mutt…difference here is that human trait has played a huge part in burying this country. I hardly think a guy doing a nixer on a Saturday mornng in any way equates to what this crowd have done and the consequences of their actions.

Well stray mutt. Your name certainly suits you. You must have been down the road with some other dog when the story if Anglo is talked about. he invested in a fraudulent system hence he ain’t the one that should take all the blame

He was a willing participant in that fraudulent scheme, the sole purpose of which was to dig Quinn out of the hole he had already dug for himself.

I feel very sorry for the Quinns. I used to be a part of the red thumb brigade and I was anti Quinn until I read an extensive interview Sean Quinn gave to a paper last Sunday. To get both sides of any story is important. Let’s remember that this is probably Ireland most successful businessman ever who in the last decade paid over 1 billion in taxes to the state as well as give thousands of people good employment. He also had 30% market share of the UK car insurance market which is incredible for any Irish company. What did he do wrong? He unwisely chased his losses and borrowed from a commercial bank with an (alleged) criminal management team. He NEVER borrowed ONE CENT from me or any Irish tax payer. It was our gombeen Government who decided to save the faceless German bondholders from any losses at Anglo and instead pass it onto the Irish tax payer. Quinn was capable of paying off all his loans and with BDO accountants he came up with a very real plan to pay it back over 7 years. The Anglo board never met him!! Instead they needed a scapegoat and by the hatred on this site they certainly achieved that. They then broke up his successful companies removing his ability to repay. The man has paid his price, he deserves to hang onto something. He worked hard enough all his life and none of us would be any different. Remember he never borrowed one cent from the government or any tax payer. Red thumb away ……………..

Well put Dec, nice to see a comment from someone who was anti Quinn retaining an open enough mind to have that opinion changed by further reading/research

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Dec, did you even bother to read what the totally independent Justice Kelly said about the Quinns, not what his PR company got into a Sunday paper. It’s bad enough that he engaged in dodgy practices to try take over Anglo, but now that the taxpayer has those loans he is doing everything he can to put assets out of reach of the taxpayer. Without prejudicing a trial the judge came as close as he could to saying Quinn and his family are a bunch of crooks. He deserves not a jot of sympathy.

@ our politically appointed independent judges?? Are those the ones you are talking about?… Yeah right

I don’t live in Cavan or Fermanagh and yet I feel Quinn is being scapegoated. Does that put me in the ‘lickspittle idiot’ category Ryan? Mr Kelly has been pro Anglo from Day 1. These guys like to stick together!

Yes it does Edel. Anglo is the only problem here. Quinn is equally corrupt (and inept)

Ryan,

You have obviously an in-dept knowledge of the Quinn Group on the border region. In a region that is economically deprived, the Quinn Group provided thousands of jobs. While the IDA has provided a net loss of jobs in Cavan over the past ten years, the Quinn Group provided hundreds. They have provided thousands of jobs to the area since it’s inception. As for your very descriptive language, “lickspittle idiots”, I think your level of knowledge on the topic indicates your ability is below par. Probably a low achiever, who spends his time trying to validate himself by putting others down.

I am not from Cavan I think Quinn will get justice in the end for the evil tricks been played on him. All you begrudges should be ashamed.

The question is: did they break the law? Not: what have they done for their region/locals?

Halfwit ii

He has already paid more than half a billion back…

Only 2.5 billion to go so…

A much disputed 2.3 bn. Of course Anglo have to show the population of the country that Sean Quinn has done wrong. They have to make him out to be a crook before his case against THEM comes to court. If Quinn wins his case against Anglo (ie. the government), they’ll will be dancing round the courtroom like Rumplestilskin, in rage. How dare a country bumpki, like Quinn take on the government? Who does he think he is? I hope he wins!

* bumpkin

Jerry,

You say Sean Quinn snr should share a cell with John Gilligan for a “romantic weekend”. You are obviously trying to imply male rape. You are obviously a very high brow person. As for pussy footing about with these people do you mean, people who have been successful. The nature of entrepreneurs is an inherent disregard for money. So why not return to a bar stool in your local pub where you are spout your dribble. The likelihood is that no one will question you. If that is the case, the reason for that is they are not that intelligent.

LOL Tom, you’re a laugh riot.

Tom
The reason for the Quinn families present difficulties are not due to there financial circumstances or there row with ANGLO but there complete and utter disregard for our judicial system That is the only reason one of them is at present in jail and the other is on the run.
Sadly I have to leave the bar stool at closing time as I to have to abide by the laws of state

Jerry,

The reason the Quinns are in the situation they are is because the previous management of Anglo lent money to the Quinns to manipulate the share price. They then also got them to sign guarantees after the fact in a very dodgy manner. And after that they got them to sign documents saying that they received legal advice. One to the people involved was around 19 at the time. That is the reason they are in this situation.

Yes Tom and they held guns to the back of their heads while they signed. What rot! They were over 18, had their own legal advisors and did it anyways. Their attempts to hide assets which legally the taxpayer, through IBRC, are entitled to shows them up for the crooks they are. I’m delighted Justice Kelly is on the case, in the past few years he has shown himself to be one of the fairest judges around taking on banks when he believes they were being too harsh on people in difficulty. When you hear what he said in court about the Quinns you realise just how bad they are.

You’ll call???? Who are you?

@ Avon Representatives, if you were made redundant from Quinns then Quinn gave you the job in the first place. He created thousands of jobs. If the Quinn proposal had been accepted by Anglo then Quinn would have had the 2.8 billion paid off in 7 years and have created 1000 jobs. This proposal was passed by the Deutsche bank. Anglo’s decision not to go with the Quinn proposal cost you your job. Also it has been proven since that they had enough cash reserves. Please God the Quinn V Anglo will get to the courts.

Damn ingrates.

How do you know Alan? Is he really? Makes a good story huh…

You are paying for Anglo’s greed…..40 billion.
Anglo are trying to blame Quinn although even they claim that he owes 2,8 billion…..this fact is being disputed.
I agree with being angry for having to pay for others’ mistakes but I don’t see why Quinn gets all the flack and Anglo none.
And, yes, I agree that he was greedy.

Finbar, i think people are getting very confused here. The propaganda that has been shoved down our necks for years now via the media is taking hold people are mistaking the (disputed ) debt that Quinn has with the entire debt Anglo have left us with….. When Quinn’s case has come to court and a ruling has been given on it let us complain about the 2.8 bn that Quinn either owes or not….but let’s not forget that Anglo owe 40 billion. Anglo ( The government) are trying to make sure that everyone in the country is crying about the amount the Quinn allegedly owes them…thus forgetting what Anglo owe us. Bolscaireacht at it’s best!!!

i agree edel this bank is stink with corruption if the ordinary people only knew the truth with what has gone on in that bank

edel: Quinn is not the only one getting the flak – but he is only one who is being defended by “the plain folk of Ireland”. Who is defending Anglo, Fitzpatrick or any of the rest?

Y.F: nobody is confused about what happened with Anglo, and what Quinn’s part is. You are just trying to spread propaganda portraying Quinn as a victim.

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are you following me? People are confused. One message has gotten out there loud and clear. A lot of the finer details are being skipped over and ignored. OUR GOVERNMENT bailed Anglo out and took on the debt. Quinn’s debt ( disputed amount that it is) was a debt owed to Anglo. So why are we not taking it up with the government on why it was so important to nationalise this rancid bank?

Avon,

That is a complete lie! If you worked with Quinn Direct and you are now redundant if is because you took voluntary redundancies. You saw the money being offered and you took it. No on forced you to take redundancy as there were no compulsory redundancies. As for the adequate reserves, the gap is reserves has being overestimated. I know there were plenty of good employees in the Quinn Direct. I worked there! But the difference between me and you I got a job. I didn’t take redundancy and I left. I made the choice to leave. The same way you took the choice to leave your job. But you could learn the violin when you are home.
There were plenty of good people working in Quinn Direct. But there were people who were very stupid. I wonder which you were. I would say the person who didn’t take the money is smarter. And last note. You talk about greed and you took the money because of your greed.

Completly disagree, They have massive support, not just in the border counties, but nationwide, in fact they are getting more support as the weeks go by. They are seen as standing up and fighting for their rights, and companies, against a corrupt bank who is trying to destroy them. If you go onto the streets and question 10 people what they think of the Quinns, 7 will tell you,” they are the victims of a vendetta, “He should have been left with his business to repay ” ” He is a decent man, who did his best for his local area for many years” ” He is doing what anyone would do to protect their homes and families”. This survey was not done in Cavan/Fermanagh area

How? That is the most ridiculous comment i have ever read!

“one of the most hated”

do you care to share the top 10 Red C poll there? who else made the cut??

@Laura – you’re just providing us with amusement now with your survey!!

were you perhaps outside the Quinn Group carpark when you conducted this scientific survey?

If I was a Judge I would have sent that parasite to prison

Laura your deluded

90,581 that’s the number of people who signed a petition to save Quinn insurance and jobs, but yes clearly most hated family in Ireland.

thanks Emma – thats approx 0.02% of the population!

ooops! make that 2%!

shame on me!!

Jesus the petition your talking about mention ‘saving jobs’ I’m sure if you asked those same people “should the Quinn family be punished for failing to pay back a 2 billon euro debt, hiding personal assets, fleeing the country while in contempt of court?” I’d be very interested in the results of that petition

Thanks for the laughs Laura…

Mr Kavanagh if you had properly informed yourself you would realise that this man and his family are so completely removed from reality that the sums they removed from a Company they DID NOT OWN to take a punt on Anglo shares just boggle the mind. Ignore the sham story about undue influence by the bankers or anybody else. These people stole hundred of millions to feed their addiction to adrenaline. To describe this man as the most successful Irishman of all time is to ignore the reality of his dishonesty and his arrogance with the ould expression of humility about being a simple man. As he created he also destroyed and now it’s no longer about what he did to his own people but what he now is trying to do to the State and it’s people.

Halfwit

Dribble talk from a hidden profile

Well said Finbar…this is gombeen politics at its worst. The numbers here are not matched by anything in Irish corporate history even with the inclusion of Anglow Irish Bank. I say that carefully because this was theft on a grand scale with hundreds of millions in funds that did not belong to the Quinn family being removed from the accounts to prop up a massive gamble on dodgy bank shares. This wasn’t business . This was either an addiction or pure naked and sickening greed.

By others, I mean the new Anglo. And they have done worse…..and they have been let off so far and are continuing to wreck our economy.
I agree that Quinn should be punished. I am with you on that but let him not be the only one!

I honestly cannot respond to that last comment Finbar. If that’s what you believe, fair enough!

You are destroying lives. Business like Quinn’s are being wrecked. There is massive brain drain that has left the young with no work and no future in ireland. Any one with get up and go has got up and gone. You have supported a corrupt government which in turn is pouring money into bond holders. Brian Hayes an Irish minister is trying to steal assets abroad with no court order. You and all the other stupid sheep voted for fiscal treaty. You buy the indo when the dogs in street know its all lies. Wake up because you are to blame and guess what you could be next

The mistake you are making is in equating Quinn with the victims in this. Quinn is not one of us. He’s on the other side.

Avon,

Gamble with your careers. If you were working in the Quinn Group you would not have had a job without Sean Quinn.

no. he isnt. we are

Do you think for one second that if Anglo got every single penny Quinn and his entire family have indeed the whole county of Cavan have that you would see any of it?? Of corse not stupid….. Wake up. Do you think you will benefit in any way from oil find in cork?? Wake up of course not. And why not because you and all the other thicks swallow lies and spin. Wake up

Yep, that’s right. Profits to the Quinns, losses to the taxpayer. That’s the way you fellas apparently want things to work.

so would you if a corrupt bank wanted to steal your lifes work, refused to negotiate. Threatened you with jail, lied to all about your debt as well as provide false legal advise. going after quinn helps no one.

Tom,

You call Sean Quinn’s supporters “idiot sheep”. However, in your synopsis you describe Sean Quinn defrauding banks getting loans he knew he could not pay back. Firstly it in Anglo’s interest to give him the loans. They were manipulating the share price! They were not that interested in getting paid back as there was no security on these loans. As there is no security on the loans given to the Maple 10. Anglo however, got the Quinns to sign documents they did not read which were for security. So before calling people idiots you might be better knowing some of the facts.

Coz ur so thick

Only the slaveens.

Employees or pawns in Sean Quinns Narcacistic games, oh yeah, same thing really!!

Avon,

I have no idea what you are talking about. The employees of the Quinn Group worked in a profitable business. They supplied actual goods and services. They also exported these goods and services. So what the employees did was they worked and at the end of the week/month they received money. They then used this money to buy goods and services.

It was profitable so long as they didn’t have to back their insurance policies.

Avon,
You’ve been reading too much Harry Potter… ‘pawns in Narcacistical games’….oh man