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Kenny plays down chances of EU growth deal before referendum

The Taoiseach says next week’s meeting of the European Council probably won’t make any immediate concrete decisions.

THE TAOISEACH has played down the prospect of European Union leaders agreeing a deal to further new growth policies within the EU at next week’s informal meeting of the European Council.

Speaking in the Dáil this afternoon, Enda Kenny said next week’s summit – called by Council president Herman van Rompuy last week, in a possible olive branch to the new French president Francois Hollande – was likely to serve merely as an opportunity for leaders to exchange ideas.

Van Rompuy will then work on this ideas and present plans for concrete action – possibly in the form of a ‘growth compact’, either in parallel to or as an amendment to the fiscal compact – at the regular meeting of EU leaders planned for June.

“There are different views about the European Investment Bank, the [role of the] ECB, the ESM and the adequacy of the firewalls,” Kenny told Micheál Martin during this afternoon’s Leaders’ Questions.

The Taoiseach added that there was also differences of opinion on precisely Europe should pursue in order to “turn its face towards that [growth] agenda”, but said he hoped today’s talks between Hollande and Germany’s Angela Merkel would “give belief” to that agenda.

Kenny hinted that he would personally seek changes to the role of the European Investment Bank, which can currently only fund projects in parallel with investment from the individual country.

The Taoiseach said the reported situation in Greece, where €16 billion in EU structural funds cannot be spent because the government cannot contribute any further cash itself, needed addressing.

“There needs to be an understanding of how you might be able to use the overall position of some structural funds not being used, without being seen to take them from any individual countries,” Kenny said.

ECB mandate

Martin had earlier suggested that elaborating on the mandate of the European Central Bank – whose sole stated purpose currently is to manage inflation – so that the Frankfurt-based bank could take a more active role in promoting growth.

Sinn Féin’s Gerry Adams challenged the Taoiseach to adopt his proposal for a three-year investment package which would spend €13 billion – sourced from the EIB and from the National Pension Reserve Fund – to invest in infrastructure and new enterprise.

Adams said the proposal would end the current circumstances where nine people were forced to emigrate every hour, telling Kenny he was “out of your depth dealing with these issues at the European Union summit”.

Kenny dismissed the claims, accusing Adams in turn of being an opponent of the European project, who only wished “to get yourself ahead of Fianna Fáil, by hook or by crook.”

“The people in their pragmatism and in their wisdom will pass this Treaty because it gives us confidence in the future,” the Taoiseach said.

Richard Boyd-Barrett from the technical group accused the Taoiseach of deliberately basing the Yes campaign in the referendum on arguments relating to external factors, which he said went directly against Kenny’s earlier insistence that the No side would introduce outside factors into its campaign.

Kenny said this was not true, pointing to opponents of the Treaty, who said it could conflict with Ireland’s stance on corporation tax.

Boyd-Barrett was not impressed with Kenny’s response.

“Well, well, well,” he remarked. “That was a masterclass in political deflection which Bertie Ahern would be proud of. The new Teflon Taoiseach has arrived.”

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Comments (64 Comments)

  • So, we’re voting on the fiscal compact on 31st May, which if ratified makes changes to our constitution, and then there will be a meeting in June where it could be changed. Talk about putting the cart before the horse. We need to delay this until we know for sure what we’re voting for.

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    • Just Vote NO. It’s the only way these gits will get the message.

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    • Exactly too true left, exactly!

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    • I may be wrong but I don’t think there is any provision in the Constitution or law to delay or cancel a referendum once it’s called. The government can delay ratification after the referendum, but the referendum itself has to happen within 90 days of the Bill. Less ranting more checking perhaps?

      Besides none of you really want the government to have the power to call off referenda, if it looked like they were going to lose they could just postpone it. I can only imagine the screaming about that. On that score it’s hard to avoid noticing that calls for this one to be postponed have only really been from the No side and only since it began to look like they weren’t winning.

      Let the down-voting begin. Of course you could argue the facts… doubtful you will though from previous experience.

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    • If it does pass Gary and things get alot worse .I hope you are on twitter everyday and dont go missing ..

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    • Brend Egan. I have yet to have anyone explain how it can get worse with a yes vote, without of course making up stuff that isn’t happening. All the fiscal limits in this treaty already exist in previous agreements, we’re changing how they are enforced. Considering how many of you complained loudly about Germany and France being the ones to break the rules first you’d think you’d support this.

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    • The thing that has always served me well in life is that i never tried to pretend i was smarter than i actually was.Now just like the Lisbon treaty this treaty is a treaty of debt.It will ensure that all of europe’s national budgets will be in the hands of one single unelected intergovernmental organisation i.e the big banks call the shots .Do you honestly think that banks care about the civil and human rights of the peoples of europe it was them that set this honeytrap in the first place. We are been lent money with huge interest rates the pay back loans we never took..The more we keep borrowing the more we will owe and it will be an eternal spiral of hand to mouth economics and this country will never have soverign wealth of its own and future governments will never be able to justly rule its own country leading to massive social injustice and inequality.Now if your just on the side of the Lucinda Creighton point of view THATS THE WAY IT IS and we will not attempt to try and change it .Then i can see why you would not and never understand why so many people are voting NO.

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    • Brend Egan. I was going to reply fully but to be honest you’re almost entirely wrong. No offence to you but it reads like a post on a conspiracy site.
      Have a read of this http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=78668829&postcount=23

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    • gary your a man that looks out for himself id say its easy throw the thats too far fetched to be true conspiracy blabla comment in ..i hope to god your right..oh and by the way 9/11 was an inside job

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    • Kevin 16/05/12 #

      Gary; allow me to explain to you how things will get worse. Ireland currently has a debt of around 120% of GDP and a budget deficit (taxes minus spending) of around 13.4%. If we sign up to the new rules we will have to reduce the overall debt by half over the next 20 years and get our deficit down to 3% of GDP by 2015.

      This will mean cuts of around €4 to €5 billion every year on top of the interest payments and adjustments that the government has already committed to. The only difference the treaty will make is that future payments will be compulsory. This undermines democracy.

      Now you may think this will work but I’ve yet to hear a prudent explanation of how that will unfold. In fact, one of your main arguments seems to be that No voters are conspiracy theorists! Hmmm, an interesting claim!? Irony perhaps?!

      Personally I think it will never work as all of the economic demand will simply evaporate. The only way that we are getting ourselves out of this mess is keeping hold of the economic levers that stimulate growth. And despite what the yes campaign would have you believe Europe needs Ireland a lot more than FG would have you believe. Look how scared they are of Greece leaving!

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    • Hey under, I live in a small village called Delvin in Westmeath . We have a computer whizz who set up a site called aptly “Delvin village .com” he has done a poll just for pig iron as they say, 80% voted no… So ya never know we just might push the no vote over the line.

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    • Actually Kevin (or whatever your name really is) Seamus Coffey and others have pointed out that we can meet the targets with just inflation and nominal growth. Even our growth figures from the 1980’s are enough to meet the targets.
      http://economic-incentives.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/whats-on-table.html
      http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=78456715&postcount=101

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  • Look Kenny, your the last person to find out whats going to happen over there in europe. So hold your hands up and tell the truth that you just dont know. Basically your told what to do and havent being given instructions yet. You’re a scam artist, a liar and a traitor.

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  • f*** o** with your scare tactics. And get a real job for yourself..like teaching

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  • Yesterday Enda was welcoming the growth summit, today he tells us not to expect anything. Did he get a midnight phone call?

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  • alan 15/05/12 #

    So €1trillion only lasted a month, what’s it gonna cost to fix this now. Doesn’t matter what we vote it’s knackered

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  • alan 15/05/12 #

    He wanted us to say yes even before there was any mention of growth

    ‘growth’. it is enough to make you weep.

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  • The only CROOK is you Kenny and your F.G F.F Labour lackies..Our kids will never forgive us if we pass this treaty and how can we blame them…

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  • All I can hear him say is blah blah hippity hoppity blip blahh blahh. It like listening to a Nicki Minaj song. He really don’t have a clue does he. It’s all written down in front of him.

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  • Fr Enda can’t issue any statement till it’s cleared or issued by Berlin so we will just have to wait till Merkil decides what she wants

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  • I dispise this man and shamefully regret voting for him. I am voting no!

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  • Its all very well everyone on these pages knowing this treaty is a crock of sh#t!!! but how do we get the rest of the nation to wake up! The debates are not even mentioning things we do which is sad as this treaty unfortunately is going to get past by bullsh#ting/frightening older people who are the solid voters.. Its great to hammer the yes side of yellow economic traitors on here but as this is the most important referendum in decades we need to get the best arguments spread further???

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    • Shayno Zo
      Get out and canvass . Help put up the No posters . Talk to family, friends , neighbours, work colleagues, club members , discuss the issues , and encourage people to vote NO. You do not have to be a member of a political party to encourage a correct outcome

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  • Enda please put the referendum off. Let France and Germany say no in ratification. Not us. If Greece bails out the peripheral countries like us will suffer. Let it not be said the Irish started the no campaign that brought down the euro.

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  • Ah ffs Enda would you not just go back to teaching & give our heads effing peace.

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  • Read the amendment. It allows “bodies competent under that Treaty” pass any law they like and “No provision of this constitution invalidates laws enacted” by said bodies competent. Whoever they are…

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  • Prize idiot! The mans an effing teacher for gods sake! Get him out before he takes the whole country down! There should be laws put in place ASAP that ban teachers from Entering politics!

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  • I was a yes voter before the stimulus came up! think about it. if we vote no then we will send a message to Europe that austerity alone isn’t working. surely when they come back and ask for a second referendum they would add the growth prospect too!

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  • alan 15/05/12 #

    the no campaign are in trouble because they comprise too many different interest groups and have no coherence as a result. this applies to thier reasoning, to thier langauge and so on

    what they need is to keep putting the same people up, keep making the same argument, keep developing a set language

    higgins banging on about this, adams about that, barrett about the other, ming flanagan (jeusus wept i can hardly bear to mention him) banging on about anything he feels like banging on about. this doesnt add up to an effective campaign

    much and all as i dont like ganley and his self seeking portrayed as communal interest, i think it would have been better to have left it to him and one or two others to draw up a coherent strategy for the no side

    i will vote no but every time i hear the no campaign in the media i fear another truckload of votes shifts to the yes side

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  • The entire debate about ‘growth’ is riddled with fantasy. If talking about growth could generate some, Europe would be moving at speed. There is no magic wand. No amount of bureaucratic report writing will generate growth. When Europe finally wakes up to reality of labor costs in a global economy then there might be some hope of change.

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  • What gets me is that both sides just give negative, scare mongering reasons for voting for this thing. “If you don’t vote yes then we’ll run out of money, the toilets will stop working and giant serpents will rise out of the sea and devour your pet hamsters and the sun will cease to rise from the east but set in the north west, blah, blah, blah.” And “If you don’t vote no then we will never pay off this debt, Germany will turn Ireland into a europark for Brazilian Volkswagen Beetles, we will be mind controlled by Brussels while the ECB demands our oldest children as security for their loans and air will be rationed, blah, blah, blah. Conclusion, since neither side can say anything positive about this treaty let’s have the option to vote yes/no/maybe?

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