If you click on the button on the website to change it to Gaeilge most of it remains in English…

10,000 truth or propaganda stunt?

In other news, Phil Hogan is now an expert in online data protection and internet privacy

Privacy in this day and age is a joke. The old adage “knowledge is power” springs to mind. This government fails to realise we already have a taxation system that covers this it is called income tax and income levy and pay related social insurance and Value added tax, road tax house/car/health insurance, carbon tax. While the bedrock of our taxation process are sacrosanct corporation tax remains the same. Increase taxation on the people continues to vex and annoy me. The only way is to step back from this ridiculousness and for the people to say to there local TD enough is enough.

as secure as Aib, mortgages or anglo Irish bank :) .

Minister Hogan was responding to criticism from Billy Hawkes, the Data Protection Commissioner, who expressed concerns over the government’s proposal to use information held by the ESB to pursue payments.
“You don’t expect the State to ask the ESB [for information]“, Hawkes told Morning Ireland earlier today. He described the government’s plan as a “somewhat disturbing development”.

Oops!

Do you trust Phil Hogans remark on website security?….Is the Pope Jewish ???

What he doesn’t seem to get is that it’s not the security of the site and the safeguards on the data it holds, but the fact that they want information & access to data that they shouldn’t.

Why on earth do property owners have to register with this new quango anyway? Hasn’t the DoE heard of the Land Registry Office?

By the way, his web site http://www.philhogan.ie contains malware according to google.

What a fucking idiot!!

Nobody said the site wasn’t secure, people are concerned that their wider data privacy rights may be invaded in relation to a matter that has nothing to do with the website itself. We’ll be a long time building a knowledge economy for as long as we have gobshites like Phil Hogan completely confusing these kind of issues.

I will pay because I have to, not because I agree. Non payment will only result in the bailiffs being called in. My income remains the same so my outgoings can only be the same as before so I will spend less elsewhere. I will burn more wood so buy less oil. I will take one vehicle off the road. I will reduce my electricity consumption. I may give up the landline telephone and use only prepay mobiles. So the tax man may get more but my service providers will get less. I may even show a slight profit for myself over last year

I won’t pay it because I don’t agree with it. I base my decisions on my moral compass and not on a government who will keep taxing us until we bleed. They have been appointed to run this country in our best interests, this charge is a farse!!!! BTW i pay all my other (many) taxes, this is a first for me.

The people who are paying the tax are giving a clear message to the government that they agree with this tax.

Simply: if you agree = pay, if you don’t agree = don’t pay.

I don’t know anyone with a spare €100 after Christmas and January sales and certainly before pay day at the end of the month.

Send me an invoice and I’ll pay it. I’m not voluntarily handing over money!

I’ll pay when everyone has to pay, including those in local authority housing and rented accommodation. This charge will pay for services which everyone uses, therefore everyone pays.

Hi Robert Ford
Your comment is heart felt. I know where you are coming from.
By reducing your overheads the government will take in less in taxes and you manage to survive.
I would however prefer to see a situation develop where every taxpaying individual objects to yet another tax.
When the following comes to your attention it should be the ultimate motivator to say NO MORE to excessive austerities.

⚠According to the Sunday Times Bertie Ahern has claimed €265,000 in secretarial expenses and €7,500 in mobile phone expenses since he left office in May 2008.⚠

And believe me…Bertie is not the only one creaming it.

Four years this September since the crisis started yet still no convictions but yet this government can continue the policies of the previous one. What a bunch of Hypocrites there so called election promises are long since forgotten. This new tax should be its first nail in its coffin as they deserve a quick and painful political death for betraying the Irish people who voted them in.

With so many folks left this country leaving empty houses.How do they plan to get them?They should be paying us for staying in this banana republic.

Anyone who pays a bill without an invoice is a fool, no invoice no payment.

We will all have to pay the BERTIE tax

He mentioned on numerous occasions that it is “fully secure” he filed to mention that the site stores cookies with your info and know each time you visit the site…

10,000 sheep wow, not one banker in jail – cop on. If your even thinking about paying it your mad. Why do you think the Government are starting to panic already (Asking ESB for house holders details) 10,000 my arse..

amazed that so many people have rushed out in the national interest to pay this tax. I cannot understand why people who intend to pay do not wait until the end of March to do so. Is this just scaremongering from the Govt. who have publicised the draconian penalties applying to defaulters. Would be very interested to see the costing of court proceedings against defaulters to include the cost of executing a warrant to take somebody to prison. I suspect it would be quadruple the cost of the tax.

Fully secure eh minister, I find that puzzling i set up ten bogus accounts on the household website and it accepted all the detail, fake emails, phone numbers, prsi numbers, and addresses. and i got a login code for the next time i go on the website, but made sure that me water came from a private well, don’t want them coming to me ‘door’ next year installing a water meter.

Hi Ultan Quirke

I dont for one minute ignore the fact that the Irish government is under the thumbs of the EU/IMF.
But I am certain that Ireland has been used as a guiney pig to prove to other defaulting nations that austerities can be fruitful.
They are only fruitful because your lame Enda Kenny & Co have said yes and amen to all demands.

Look it up in the German version of Google ( the prospects of Ireland and it’s mountainous debt).
You will come across truism that should not have been held from the Irish people.
It more and more requires to read inbetween the lines to figure out where we are heading.

Ultan, the charge will fund local services… Libraries, public lighting, public parks, therefore everyone should pay.

14000 have already paid.
Only 1,586,000 payments left.
Resist people, resist this insult of a tax, we’re already paying enough for the gov’t & bankers mistakes

Two points-

Government has used Google Analytics on the back end of the site. If the data warehouse used by Google to store this data is based in the US then the government are breaking EU law.

Second is that in the long term a non payment campaign can’t work (unfortunately). This is because if you don’t pay it now then you’ll be forced to pay it later when selling the house or passing to a sibling- solicitor won’t let a sale go through if there is debt accrued.

There have been a bunch of government sensor comments in this thread.

my estate should be exempt form the tax because the developer has abandoned my estate nearly 5 years now but it wasn’t on the list that kildare county council sent in to the household charge people. When i rang to query it, i couldn’t get a straight answer why.

If the householdcharge.ie site was really secure, why do the site pages contain the source code for PPS number validation, just go to the page where you are requested to enter the PPS number, and do a “view source”.