You are better off financially with a child or two, in rented accommodation, lone parents allowance with your fella living with you, he’s on job seekers.

Serious disposable income.

If you are struggling with mortgages, you bought in over your head. You all took a ride on the money train when it passed you by, and now that it has turned on you, you scream murder. Let me get my violin.

Again with the “we all went a bit mad” meme. Just because it is parroted repeated by the media doesn’t give it the status of fact.

The ESRI wants? Who the &^%* do they think they are?

they are the Economic Social Research Institute. Themake suggestions to government in the light of research.

who do you use for research/information purposes?

spot on, but is anybody really in favour of paying any tax

I’m in favour of paying taxes where there is a proper consideration, i.e. I get something in return, or those who have fallen on hard times get something from it. I am not in favour of paying taxes that in turn are paid as interest to central banks who have done precious little except print currency and demand a substantial slice of the product of our labour in return for providing this “service”. Actually, given that only 5% of the total circulation of the euro exists in physical form, most of this “service” is simply adjusting balances in a computer. While the government and their “Revenue Commissioners” act as little more than enforcers for the central banking mafia, I will continue to view taxation as government-approved theft.

it might seem like a trivial service, but unfortunately we have gotten ourselves into such a bind that we have no other option but to avail of and pay for it.

We have gotten ourselves into a bind? Who is WE? Don’t for a moment think that you can collectivise the actions of the banks. I don’t have any responsibility for them, nor am I willing to assume them.

What has happened is that the debts of banks onto the people is has been added to our previously quite insignificant sovereign debt. In international law, a national debt incurred for purposes that do not serve the best interests of the nation is termed odious debt and is not enforceable.

Remember, the privatisation of profit and socialisation of loss is right at the core of the fascist economic system. What Fine Gael have done in refusing to do as they promised before they were elected (burning the bondholders) and what Fianna Fail did before them (accepting private bank debt as sovereign debt) is fascism.

@Tom Sullivan; afraid we have collectivised things Tom and like it or not we are all going to have to deal with it. thats the system in this country, the only say we have is our vote and enough people choose to use their in such a way that this is where we find ourselves today. the only way not to participate is emigration or to go ferral and live in a burrow. but i’m sure some charge or licence fee will kick in somewhere along the line also.

you’re spot on re the function of the revenue commissioners. that’s exactly what they are for, at the governments Behest

this is the kind of thing it’ll go towards (I expect, as taxes never seem to go to what they’re on)

“Noonan nor Howlin will mention the €43m being paid by Bank of Ireland today, the €24m by Anglo on Wed week, the five individual bonds totaling €52m by EBS on Fri week, all senior unsecured bonds”

so a total of 119million ………………………

http://bondwatchireland.blogspot.com/

I can’t believe you don’t know what the household charge revenue’s gonna be used for!!! ‘building German Tanks and Planes’ I reckon!!

In the past before 1977 everyone who owned their home paid rates and Jack lynch bought the electorate off by abolishing domestic rates and before then it was obligatory and as far as I can remember quite high. This is a return to rates by another name.

they have every right, they are the democratically elected government acting within the constitution. It’s about raising revenue. They are taxing every element of your hous, whatever that means, yeah, it’s robbery, suck it up

When you buy a car you pay tax, and pay more tax on a yearly basis, Ditto with TV.. no chance of case getting anywhere, which party is behind it

Death duties are double taxation. VAT and other stealth taxes are double taxation. All taxation is theft when nothing is received in return for its payment.

@Martin You pay road tax each year not car tax ,you pay tv license to view RTE .If you take you’re car of the road no more tax ,if you take down you’re aerial and just watch dvd’s no more tax so you’re point is wrong.

Good point there!

You’ll be put in Jail with all the other dangerous criminals in the land! Like the bloke that didn’t buy a dog license and the woman that forgot to pay a parking ticket!

no you wont, it just build up along with penalties , they will get it sooner or later

It’s time to “feel the fear and tell them to FECK OFF”!

father ted?

Please Martin, leave me alone. I’m trying to tone down my language.

I have Reada. Only had two people say they are going to pay so far. I just hope people realise how much this tax will rise by 2014 and that the €100 charge will be used to pay councils to collect info on property.

So the people are guilty if a party lie to get into office? Hmm…strange logic there.

So politicians lied to get into power? I think that started when monkeys started walking upright.

No I won’t apologise for voting for them .Who else was there to vote for . Next election maybe they wont get in so easily but neither will FFailures and who is left ? No one big enough yet altho I will prob vote SF. Who knows !

they probably started by promising never to stand upright

Some people (I’m not among them) voted for FG on the basis that they would burn the bondholders. Of course, FG and the Labour lot turned out to be as much of a bunch of duplicitous lying feckers as the previous lot. Big surprise there.

Tom, unfortunately from your point of view not enough people voted for whoever you voted for thus we have the government we have now. democratically elected, and as an ardent anti fascist I feel that’s the way you would want it

They already have that information from the census.

True, but technically that information cannot be used for that purpose.

can you not ask a question without bad language. The idea of paying relative to the value of the house is something on the lines of the more you’re worth the more you pay. i keep people hearing that the better offshould pay more, this is what the wanted.

other than that i have no great interest in duscussing anything with hard of understanding juveniles, ciao

Negative equity . Thats where most people are now ,so by your logic most wont have to pay .I have a car and a big tv which I also paid tax on when I bought , maybe I should be assessed on these also ,ah what the hell why dont we just let some overpaid civil servant into our houses so they can evaluate everything we own even the stuff were still paying for like our house, oh I forgot we would need another 100,000 more civil servants for that.

The motor tax was abolished a number of years ago and put on fuel. Then it was reintroduced as vehicle registration fee and escalated from there. The tax on fuel was never rescinded.

They will get more out you in the long run, once you go to sell the house coplete with penalties

It is a tax like every other tax, if you return it to sender and attempt to evade it you are like every other tax evader.

Yes, be a good citizen then and part with your money to bail out a bank. People seem to forget we would have already closed our deficiet with the last four years of austerity. We only still have a deficiet because of bank bail outs!

@dave, and what would we have used to make up the deficit during the last four years

People probably forget because it’s not even close to true.
If we only still have a deficit because of the bank bail out, why is there a 18 billion difference between what the government takes in in taxes and what it spends every year?
That spending does not include bank bailouts.

There will be no bills sent out – it is a self registration process – so I expect the collection rate will be very LOW
See http://www.moneyguideireland.com/household-charge-property-tax-more-details.html

Hi Linda that,s good to hear, please sign your details here.

http://www.nohouseholdtax.org/

who else pays tax other than tax payers. it will go to your local authority so they can keep the heating on the offices while the “workers” beaver away.

Martin , Local authority workers pay taxes too so what is your point . Once again you are talking shite !

Of course they do,so you wont have any issue with the property tax so, it will also go to pay child benifit, berties pension, college professors, doctors in the medical card scheme, nurses, rent allowance, repay our national debt, You get a great bang for your buck in this country Eileen, sorry if you find my points difficult to comprehend.

But you do ask shite questions

Eileen, the payment will be web based, no need to process all those paper census forms.
The census scanning equipment doesnt read text, only the boxes you fill.

Ciaro . Thanks for that, Something strange about equipment reading our information and thus processing it for tax puposes…
Martin @ Do not reply / answermy posts again . You are insufferable!

@ Eileen, i forgot to mention yours and mines 100 euro will alsio be going to pay bank bail outs.

don’t talk about suffering, I’m at it 55 years

Go on, one more time

It doesn’t apply to rented accommodation

It does, the landlord has to pay it….as somhairle says it is highly likely that lanlords will pass this on to their tenants.

@ niamh. the landlord is already paying the 200 euro charge. does this replace it then

I have no idea David but it is more than likely on top of anything already paid considering the charges and cuts elsewhere.

I give up, where?

€2 a week? You’ll need to rob a bank!!

at least the students wont have to pay, we’ll be spared another Huge march

@Anonymous: you’re a ringer for Yvonne Ni Sluaghaidh

@ Martin Mc Cormack ur a knob

@eireisfnucked: very profound. did you think that all up on your own

The landlord, but I’m sure some will try and up the tenants rent to allow for it.

It doesn’t apply to rented accommodation.

Landlord should be paying NPPR already.

@david it does apply to rented accommodation, don’t know where ur getting it from that it doesn’t. The.landlord as owner has to pay, bit this will be passed on I’m sure.

@niamh. Does it replace the 200 euro charge that they are already paying then?

Thanks Selma.

Hey Selma. The poll tax in Britain wasn’t abolished!! Its now called the community charge! Non payers were pursued to the extent of having bank accounts frozen, and I’ve even heard of people being losing their credit rating.

the polltax was just rebranded

Tough luck on the tenant, rents are too low anyway.

^spot the landlord!!!

rents are too low!! are you seriously off your head?? Tough luck on tenants???? Both my husband and I were working full time but still did not earn enough to buy our own home so we had no choice but to rent, we have BOTH been made redundant and have a son to support (who we had 5 years ago while both in a stable job) we live in a rural area but still pay €140 per week rent out of a social welfare payment that does not leave a lot to pay utilities, heat a home (electric storage heating) and put food on the table. I am grateful for the assistance we recieve until we find employment but to say “tough luck on tenants” we are struggling as it is and if it wasnt for us peasants, oops! sorry tenants, landlords would be unable to pay their mortgage.

One must view your comment with great admiration, you must be lucky in a comfy job, lots of money and no idea whatsoever about the reality that faces Irish famalies today.

No radical thinking by this government. Same record, different DJs. This budget like every one before it is obsessed with ‘stimulating’ property transactions. One of the main reasons why things are as bad as they are is due to similar policies. The government should concentrate on making property unattractive to invest in for the next five years except for home purchasers. A reworked and expanded BES should be considered as one option for redirecting cash away from property. You can’t export houses, apartment blocks and shopping centres. Surely they have grasped that much?

Cell said Cat.

Sorry, WELL said Cat.

Well said maria. Too easy to generalize a group in society and label them as spongers. May be true in some cases but not in the numbers we are led to believe. Most people work hard and get by.

Mmm………. n I remember it was also stated that the 100 euro property tax will stand for 2012 n 2013 by which time “they” will have come up with a fairer system to charge more to those that have bigger homes.

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I want proof that it will fund vital local services. I want to know where the money that funded those services in the past will be spent. Come to think of it, I want proof that every euro from road tax is spent on roads. How much more of this pillaging are we going to have to take before we say enough is enough?

it’s not a road tax , it”s motor tax, do you seriously think that it is feasible to trace every euro in tax right through the system , we would need another 100,000 civil servants do it

Now there’s something that’s going to go down really well in these quarters

Yeah David. Cos people who have bought their own homes and paid ridiculous amounts of stamp duty haven’t contributed at all. Grow up.

@ réada – What people paid ridiculous amount of stamp duty on their homes? All first time buyers had a stamp duty exemption so it was just trader uppers and they mostly had alot of equity built up from the house they sold. Or it was investors to whom this charge does not apply. So maybe you should grow up because you can’t have everything your own way.

@ David, first time buyers were only exempt from stamp duty on new builds, not second hand homes. This changed to include second hand homes in 2006 as far as I remember. Prior to 2006 this led to the majority of young couples being forced out into the commuter belt as these were the only areas that new houses were being built and that they could afford(on newly rezoned land)…these houses were largely thrown up with little or no enforcement of any building regulations leaving an entire generation with a legacy of a mortgage to pay to banks on houses which were ‘self certified’ at best and now we see the repercussions eg. the pyrite epidemic and Priory Hall.

Thanks Niamh for telling David. I’m exhausted trying to wake everyone up. And this was meant to be my day off…

I did David and many others like me. How did you think they were able to reduce income tax so much during the boom years? They were raking it in from stamp duty. I won’t answer you again seeing as I’m talking from my “hole” as you so vulgarly put it. Play the ball not the man, or woman in this case.

@ Réada – I’ll answer it then. It was speculators, trader uppers, commercial property buyers and very few first time buyers who paid “ridiculous amounts of stamp duty”.

David, on every €100,000 paid for a home by a first time buyer €16,000 is paid to whichever relevant authority for water connections, roads within estates ect, now we have to pay again.

David first time buyers paid €16,000 in every €100,000 on price paid for a house to whichever relevant local authority during the so called ‘ boom’ for services such as water connections, estate roads ect. Now we have to pay again.

Has it ever occurred to you, David, that there is already enough of a tax burden if not too much? The country shouldn’t take up to 50% of incomes to run. In reality, much of what we pay in tax goes to privately-run central banks who provide a very expensive service of printing banknotes and adjusting balances on a computer.

Solution = buy your own . It will boost the economy too .:)

If there were no landlords there would be no rental property. Grow up!

Ron, you’re a dickhead if I’m a fucker.
I bought a property to give me a pension when I retire ( self employed). It’s costing me €500 a month, I have to earn about €1000 before tax to get this. I paid my stamp duty, NPPR, PTRB. I’m not complaining, my choice, my consequences.

Don’t assume all people are the same.

That’s a very glib uncaring statment eileen, what about those that Cannot get a mortgage?

@ Eileen, I owned a house and sold it. Lucky me.

@ Cairo, I dont mind being a dickhead. At least I can sleep at night. I have been in the country for 5 years and had 6 different landlords, I know what I am talking about. Greedy bastards, asking 900 euros for a dump. And you can ask anyone else out there about their landlord, what they think of them. My friends sure dont have a high opinion of landlords. Sure there are a few maybe, but those are the exception to the rule.

I dont mind people having two houses and rent one out, thats not the point I am making. But people here are landlords when they cant afford to be one. They rely solely on the tenant to pay their mortgage. So when the shit hits the fan they are in trouble and cry murder. But you didnt hear them when they purchased their second house and thought that their was no end to their wealth. Well, they figured wrong and now they act like they have it bad. Give me a break.

anyone that sold their house for a profit is a really greedy bastard

@ Martin, where in the hell did you get that from?? Dont put words in my mouth and dont try to be smart… you arent.

Source?

How could they – it says specifically that for rented properties the landlord has to pay. Most rented properties have the name of the tennant on all bills.

That is what was done in Greece. Now those who can not afford to pay the “property theft” will have their electricity cut off. Mafia tactics for sure.