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Mortgage holders to unite in fight for reform

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MORTGAGE HOLDERS AND groups looking after their interests are to come together to unite in a fight for reform.

The national group, which is being led by New Beginning, is to focus on forcing action on the mortage distress experienced by thousands of homeowners in Ireland.

David Hall, spokesperson for New Beginning, which is spearheading the group, explained to TheJournal.ie:

It is very clear to us that there is a significant imbalance in the process involving the banks and the borrower and the only way it can be rebalanced is by borrowers coming together. We have decided to arrange a grouping of people from all over the country – organisations and individuals. Our belief is we are stronger as a group standing together rather than doing things individually.

The plan of action is to rebalance the power that is there at the moment and give borrowers some sway, he added.

They plan to lobby the financial regulator and Central Bank about issues and they will campaign for legislation to better protect borrowers.

It is clear the Germans are running the country and the banks have been very clear with that and leading ministers in relation to telling them what to do.
We believe there is a strength in numbers and that hasn’t been achieved yet.

Interested groups will meet over the next six weeks to discuss their progress and expressions of interest.

Hall said that New Beginnings had received a large amount of emails expressing interest in recent days.

He cautioned that the as-yet-unnamed group would do “nothing that is going to harm the economy – it is simply something that people will band together and will be strong and united as a group”.

Hall said that there are “lots of vulnerable people” dealing with the banks and that New Beginnings is inundated with requests, which has fuelled the need for discussions with other organisations.

He said there are high levels of frustration and that there are people who don’t even understand what the current process is but are dealing with banks.

The biggest difficulty and biggest challenge is that the right thing to advise people to do is to engage with their financial institutions. But in the back of your mind you are worried – is the person going to get a fair treatment?

“It is a very dangerous and serious state of affairs,” said Hall.

He said the fact that a number of banks had told the Minister for Finance that they would not pass on the interest rate cut was “very disconcerting and very concerning”.

He said that the group would have a “damn sight better chance” of achieving things together rather than separately, adding “the government are doing nothing”.

“We have to turn to each other and try and group and stand together. Public groupings are very powerful. Politicians will jump ship if they think their own seat is in jeopardy,” he pointed out.

He said the only real way to affect change is to bring the power to the people and have a proper coherent discussion.

The State has a responsibility to its people in the first instance and Europe second. Europe should not take precendence over Irish citizens.

According to the most recent figures from the Central Bank, 100,000 homeowners in Ireland are experiencing mortgage difficulties.

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  • Adam Magari 21/11/11 #
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    A very welcome development. Wonder will the mainstream media weigh in behind it? It also says something about the broken, flaccid and moribund state of Leinster House politics that it takes a private group outside the conventional wisdom arena to grab the debt serpent by the throat. Wish them well. They will have my support.

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  • John Murphy 21/11/11 #
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    About time that there was a national organization to represent people in trouble with mortgage arrears. The Recent stories about cases of bullying and intimidation of individual householders by banks are sickening particularly in light of public funds being used to bail them out.

    My work involved me in the preparation and certification of supporting documentation for mortgage agreements and during the course of this work I became aware that many mortgage agreements were approved and discharged on foot of incomplete applications through the practice of solicitors giving ‘undertakings’ to the banks that the outstanding matters would be dealt with later. This arrangement was standard practise in the interest of ‘fastracking’ mortgage output during the boom.

    In many cases these incomplete mortgage agreements were never attended to and in consequence many mortgage agreements may not be legally valid and may not be enforceable in the event of default.

    It is essential that people in arrears with mortgage payments get organized and set up a fund where proper legal advise and representation can be accessed to look into matters like this.

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  • fitszpatrick 21/11/11 #
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    Arrears is a very pressing issue but People who have had their rates hiked should also make their anger and irritation very clear also. The only justification for Irish perm and the rest increasing their rates was to re capitalise using the man on the street, probably with government approval. They haven’t addressed their over staffing issues and still after everything that has happened they still behave with arrogance and a sense of invincibility, look at allied Irish banks attitude to the recent Eco rates cut, they had to be forced to pass it on.

    We have to show them and the government that we won’t take this crap anymore.

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    • baz 21/11/11 #
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      You will never see a shit storm until you see what happens if they try to make the tax payer pay for the greed that got us into this mess in the first place. I will quit work and go on the dole before I let my taxes pay off my next door neighbours overpriced house and their new range rover.

    • Cormac Flanagan 21/11/11 #
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      Baz I agree to a point. Of a person has lost their job an ant make repayments well then I feel for them but if someone just bought a house to big or expensive for them well tough. A bit of personal resp has to be included too.

    • baz 21/11/11 #
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      Yes, but everyone who bought during the boom years overspent. I didn’t buy during the boom because I knew I couldnt afford to repay even though the banks were throwing money at me. Everyone knows a few people who built mansions, bought new cars, holidays etc. I also got laid off for 15 months but if I can’t pay my rent I’m out and I couldn’t even contemplate the idea of someone else bailing me out!

      But yet people who way overspent wants me to pay for their house? Seriously. People like me are the average joe who tolerate all these bank bailouts, overpaid politicians etc and give out. But when you want to bail out the blatently greedy you won’t believe your eyes at how a country can rise up and put a dead stop to it!

      Besides the fact its not possible to ever give any mortgage forgiveness as it is impossible to stop it from being abused or cause people to stop paying their current mortgage.

    • Adam Magari 21/11/11 #
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      Baz, you are already paying for the multibillion debts of a few dozen developers. The banks received six billion under recapitalisation to address mortgage distress. So far they have spent only the tiniest fraction. Helping out one’s neighbours in times of distress, I was taught, was an obligation. Helping out wealthy developers is an entirely different matter. This government like the previous one believes on the other hand that helping out wealthy developers is an obligation, but helping out ordinary citizens is an entirely different matter.

    • baz 21/11/11 #
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      Yes, because the decision has been made. It was a ridiculous, stupid, idiotic thing to bail out the bankers and will go down in history. But yet you and these people want to do it all over again with peoples mortgages!

      Thanks but I’ve bailed out enough bloody people already! My whole generation is gone. If this ever went through, a person under 35 will be on the endangered species list in Ireland within a year!

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      So baz, you’ll put up with banks being bailed out but not with the ordinary people? That’s a bit strange. Do you think everyone who is in trouble is so because they were greedy? I bet when people bought their houses they could afford them. But with pension levies, paycuts, income tax increases, job losses and repeated hikes in interest rates anybody might find themselves in difficulty.

  • John Woods 21/11/11 #
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    Enda sees this and thinks “I know what to do, let’s wallop a €100 levy on every house in the country so that we can screw them more”. What kind of a country/Govt have we got?

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  • Donal Lynch 21/11/11 #
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    I’m in big time

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    Great initiative. We should be camped outside every elected TD’ s house until they start to put their voters first and the mega wealthy Europe next. The German public are every bit as scared as we are. It’s a scam , wake up.

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  • Jim McKay 21/11/11 #
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    Join the Anti-Eviction Taskforce.
    http://www.facebook.com/#!/AntiEvictionTaskforce

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  • Martin Kirwan 21/11/11 #
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    This was a long time coming maybe too late for some families we need to make a stand we need to get together as it was us that built this country now we are penniless and not a pot to piss in

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  • Paddy Mc Donnell 21/11/11 #
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    Default default default we have been slaves to this government and the banks for long enough, life is about living not living to pay solely a crippling mortgage everyone should default lets unite against these tyrants and force them into change, anyone who is stressing over mortgage repayments just stop, I did!!

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    • jason bourne 21/11/11 #
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      Maybe paddy you should have done your homework a bit better and not have entered into a mortgage you couldn’t afford to pay.

  • Lisa Mcevoy 21/11/11 #
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    God baz !! Help thy neighbour !!!! Ummm well don’t think that’s ur category? Stab thy neighbour in back wen there down !! That’s u and the rest of the begrudgers like ya !! And we thought the Germans were bad !! Ha ..

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    • baz 21/11/11 #
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      Oh, I’m sorry Lisa! How much of my money do you want ??? Or is your range rover gettin a little old ?

    • Jim McKay 21/11/11 #
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      Baz give up your Job at the Bank or where ever ou work we don’t care.Feel free to join the 100,000 thousand of us known presently struggling with our mortgages.

    • baz 21/11/11 #
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      I would love to join you jim! Buy a house I can’t afford, stop paying it back, demand free money and then cry and cry at anyone who doesn’t want to give their food money to me! But unfortunetly I am too stuck as I’m paying back the banks you all screwed over!

  • Réada Quinn 21/11/11 #
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    Baz and Jason. Give it up. Banks valued these houses too. Why should they not take a hit. I’m renting, having returned to Ireland, but I’m happy to see my taxes go to help people in trouble. Much better than going to bondholders imo. We have to stick together.

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  • baz 21/11/11 #
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    I fully agree! I would be more than happy to help out the people struggling, but unfortunetaly I am getting nailed to the cross in weekly taxes bailing out the germans. I strongly opposed the bailout, but we are landed with it now and can’t afford it. Everyone heres wants to add another monstrous mortgage holder bailout to that debt that my grandkids grandkids will still be paying it off!

    Nobody is mentioning how it would happen:
    Option 1: Pay mortgage = Own your house
    Option 2: Don’t pay mort = Own your house

    Who is their right mind would pay their mortgage if they thought it would be written off for them. There is no way debt forgiveness could work and it shouldn’t.

    And answer me this…why should I pay someone elses mortgage when I couldn’t afford one myself ???

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  • Jim McKay 21/11/11 #
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    O.K. you have made your point Baz,which I don’t agree with or niether does any one else.Give others a chance to speak now through comment and stop hogging the thread.

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    Members of New Beginning should search in Google for “Windle Stops Swindle” to their advantage.

    A Chara!

    Srinivasan Devrajan, the Common Informer

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  • Paula McHugh 22/11/11 #
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    by the sounds of things baz if u couldn’t afford to by a house during the Celtic tiger then your bailing out fuck all on your shit wages. so stop trying to make ur self feel superior by thinking your paying for every struggling family in the country. in reality ur more than likely costing the state or when ur of age i hope youre not thinking of picking up the state pension!!!

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  • Paul Mallon 22/11/11 #
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    Stop arguing people, how about every time the rage builds email the government, ring your local TD, get angry at THEM instead of each other.

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