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Shatter: MCD should apologise for ‘level of disorder’ at Phoenix Park gig

The Justice Minister was speaking in the Dáil today in response to questions about the violent scenes at the Swedish House Mafia concert on Saturday.

Alan Shatter speaking in the Dáil today
Alan Shatter speaking in the Dáil today
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JUSTICE MINISTER ALAN Shatter has called on the promoters of the Swedish House Mafia concert at the Phoenix Park on Saturday to apologise for the “level of disorder” that took place.

Shatter was speaking in the aftermath of Saturday’s concert which saw 33 people arrested and 70 charges of public order as well as drink and drug-related offences being brought before the courts.

One person died from a suspected drug overdose while nine other people were stabbed during the course of the day.

Organisers MCD have defended the level of security at the concert saying there were 511 security personnel present along with 145 Gardaí but the Justice Minister said in the Dáil today that MCD should apologise.

“I do think the promoters should apologise for the level of disorder at the concert,” he told the Dáil saying that the specific issue of reports of security guards checking people for alcohol while not checking them for potential weapons needed to be addressed.

The Minister also said that the gates for the concert arena should have been opened much earlier in the day before the concert got under way.

He said that the approach taken had seen many people drinking in public in the park and “resulted in many people lowering cans of alcohol at a rapid rate” before they went in.

Shatter said he intended to bring forward legislation to address the problem of excessive drinking and said he would take “whatever action is open to me” when he receives the report of the Garda Commissioner who is to review all aspects of the trouble which marred Saturday’s gig.

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Comments (67 Comments)

  • The people who attended were the problem….well some of them anyway…

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  • The blame game goes on! It’s always somebody else! Same as the parents, it wasn’t my kid, it was the others! Reality check, society is falling apart, people have no respect for anybody or anything! Parents have no control, Garda have no control and surprise, surprise the young people are out of control!

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  • I just want to comment on one point in this post where the minister said that the gig should have been open earlier as this would have avoided people flooring alcohol before they went in.. minister the same mentality then should surely apply to our opening hours. Closing bars and nightclubs across the cities at 2.30 also forces people to drink quicker before the bar closes causing more problems. Then of course the entire night revelling population is out on the streets at the same time causing bigger problems. I don’t go out on weekends anymore and if I do I’ll leave early to avoid he mayhem of 2.30. Get with the rest of europe and stagger the closing ours for our safety on our streets and put an end to ‘power drinking’. Power drinking for those who don’t no is whats named as the drinking period before 2.30am to get drunk before the bar closes which usually involves rounds of shots.

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  • Brian 11/07/12 #

    MCD have got serious questions to answer but maybe Minister Shatter should think about lifting the ban on Garda recruitment before he gets into slanging matches.

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  • Right, I’m no fan of Shatter so go easy on me here! I agree with him. MCD invite us concert goers to their concerts and profit (well) from them. If they are inviting us to this and we are paying for being there, surely safety must be key. MCD advise that they went above and beyond with security cover as ditated with by the licence agreement. I am yet to here MCD advise what level of medical cover was in place i.e. EMT’s / Field Triage Plan / Onsite equiped Emergency Doctor / water points / level of refusal of intoxicated patrons at the front gate. Yes a drink / drug culture among the younger concert goer seems rampent and its Shatter & Co.’s repsonsability to address that but MCD cannot be let fly on this matter. They are the anchor concert promotors in Ireland and more concerts will be ran by them. If they get off scot free with what happened last Saturday, they will keep the profit and not bother to implement further safety features.

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    • Barry, you keep on pushing this ridiculous question about EMT’s, medical cover etc. What’s the relevance? There’s a medical centre and first aid posts on site at all these gigs (usually ST. Johns or one of those), free water is provided as standard and there are event medical staff. Bottom line is if you get stabbed or keel over from a drugs overdose you are going out in an ambulance to the nearest hospital no matter what medical care is on site. That’s the place for you. If you read the reports there was around 60 people admitted (as far as I recall) to A&E over the weekend which is really insignificant number given that there was potentially 135,000 at the concerts. The medical services to be provided are advised by the HSE and in accordance with a code of practice.

      I’m looking at the plan for Marlay Park which is half the capacity of the Phoenix Park and it has a two first aid posts, a medical centre and an appointed Medical Co-ordinator. It has 4 signed drinking water areas and water at the front of stage.

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    • Okay brian I’ll play ball here, answer me this what makes it okay to allow entry to clearly overly intoxicated youths? I mean there were kids being held up by there mates going in the entrances…

      Sure you couldn’t get into the junior disco back in the day if you smelled of booze, and this was in Tallaght. Pure idiotic way to manage things allowing people off their face into an arena area.

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  • It appears that the minister is absconding from his responsibility by blaming MCD.
    Instead of asking for a pityfull apology he should team up with organisers to prevent a reoccurrance of this most dangerous incident.

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    • As if its MCD’s fault for a culture of drug fueled violence? Blame someone else before they ask questions about how our society operates.

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    • MCD haven’t a shred of respect for the people who attend their events whether its people going to see Barbara Streisand or Swedish House Mafia, cattle would be treated better, they claim they can’t prevent certain behaviour but are excellent at preventing any alcohol coming in so as to ensure top revenues on the higher priced drinks inside. Does any other promoter have the same track record, security guards paid peanuts, inappropriate venues, terrible sound and the highest ticket prices in Europe. MCD should apologies to alot of people and start showing a modicum of respect for the people who attend their gigs.

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  • No one seems to be pointing out the fact that those people who started the trouble had weapons in a concert with them. Who brings a knife to a concert?? They were there to cause havoc, fights and rob people and they would have done it with or without drink and drugs.

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  • Travel anywhere else in Europe and see how festivals are organised properly. Not MCD though, cut corners, rip off ticket prices, poor facilities, 1 exit for 50,000 people (now I know how cattle feel!)

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  • Yes Minister Shatter lets dance around the issue as usual without getting to the heart of the problem i.e. the joke that is the Irish judicial system!!!

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  • Gurriers all!!!

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  • Dave 11/07/12 #

    We need to fix the illness – not the symptom! No respect among many of young anymore, a pissed off and angry country, too much drinking. MCD cant be held responsible for 9 people being stabbed. Its ridiculous.

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    • Aidan 11/07/12 #

      People commenting on this site, well the vast majority, need to tone it down.
      You want a nanny state move to Saudi Arabia or somewhere.

      This isnt the first such occurance :
      http://www.broadsheet.ie/2012/07/11/1984s-lethal-mix-dylan-drink-and-ignorance/

      Stop acting like it’s some catastrophe. A few bad eggs causes a problem. The people who over-dosed only have themselves to blame (well actually the government too for not legalizing, standardizing narcotics).

      Maybe there could have been more Garda or security, but do you really want someone pulling you aside for ‘dancing too aggressively’ or such? Do you want metal detectors at the entrance and some lad groping your crotch looking for knives and such? How many freedoms do you want to give up to feel ‘safe’? How much more on a ticket price do you want for such ‘security’?

      The country has country been full of scroats and filthbags for as long as I’ve lived. Nothing has changed. They were at the ‘disco’ when we were kids and they are in the clubs and pubs in town now. They also, surprisingly enough, go to outdoor dance gigs on a sunny Saturday.

      The things that happened at that gig on Saturday, of which myself or the 25 or so people I know at it didn’t see any of, were terrible isolated incidents caused by a very small number of people.

      If you don’t want people bringing in bottle of vodka and getting mashed before the gig, stop charging ridiculous prices and have a variety of drinks available. Money, generally the root of all problems.

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    • Dave 11/07/12 #

      Aidan, as a young person myself, i’m getting a bit f****ed off with having to put up with some of the trash we have in this country. People for whom violence is second nature, destruction of property is ritual, and who have no respect for others. I know it was a small number of 45,000 who were engaged in violence, but the general ill behaviour was widespread. So, no, I wont tone it down. We have a problem. I’d rather we fixed it. And the solution is not extra security, or banning alcohol or any of that. Its much, much deeper.

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    • Aidan 12/07/12 #

      You won’t tone it down?
      Dave solution please?
      Or are you just going to be a loud mouth who has nothing but complaints?
      Great people like you are, all voice and no ideas.

      Tell you what, I’ve a REALLY good solution to these dirt bags.
      Vigilantes.
      Treat them as they treat others.
      I think you’ll find this behaviour will be short term when they are getting the sh*t knocked out of them.

      Form a group in your area.
      See how long bad behaviour lasts and come back to me.
      Cause the Garda can’t lock them all up and can’t be everywhere at once.
      And I’ll be damned if I’ll live in a nanny state.

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  • What’s that?!
    Ah yes… It’s the sound of pandering. With a feint smell of derogation of responsibility.

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  • Ah at least that’s some good news thank god the way bad news was coming out of that event I was worried she wouldn’t be ok! Thanks folks.

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  • I think the blame needs to be split, every group played a part in what happened, maybe MCD should of hired more security, maybe there should of been more guards present, but if you put a lot of people + drink and music into a big open space you will get trouble, it is only the odd individual that went mad stabbing people. If not for the stabbings and drugs would there be such an outcry, I believe it is frustration boiling over in people, so the goverment need to act, try and reduce the frustration in the population and not to pass the blame onto anyone elese

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    • Only the odd individual that went round stabbing people??? Since when was it all right to stab someone? Stabbing kills! And I would consider it to be a dangerous & violent act that should never be brushed off so lightly!

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  • The issue is that in essence MCD staged oxygen except without the camping & on dublin’s doorstep. We all know the horror stories of how rough oxygen gets so at this point MCD have the staffing levels required to handle it. The same precautions just weren’t taken for the one-day event. It could have happened anyone.

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  • Yes minister Shatter – MCD forced people to drink way too much and take drugs. Also MCD forced people to stab people……. Give it a rest please minister Shatter.

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  • The Irish = always blame someone else!

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  • Tommy C 11/07/12 #

    Its hardly MCDs fault that people are dragging their kids up with no respect for themselves and as a result, no respect for others.
    Why not charge the parents if these kids are under 18 and those who are of age need to face serious consequences. Show them a dead body in a morgue, fine them, put them in prison for a bit, put them in a chain gang and make them clean up the park that they destroyed, parade them through town so we can all get a look at them and make them do community service. We need proper deterents.

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  • I think Shatter is on drugs , how narrow minded can you get , it beggars belief .

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  • What a bunch of muppets we have for politicians!! Do they not realise they are in charge!! They should look in the mirror. The past governments have done nothing to tackle anti-social behaviour!! They quickly blame MCD as it is nice a far from their doorstep!

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  • Shatter should apologise for his Govt’s level of disorder in running this country…!!!

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  • Who in their right mind would listen to shatter , empty vessels make most noise and he along with Hogan make enough for the rest of the government .

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  • This same minister claimed the rise in burglaries outside dublin was due to the better level of roads that we now have in the country. nMCD didn’t allow thousands of kids to drink on the streets and in the park before the gig, the guards did. nAdmission should have been refused to anyone clearly not sober or in a fit state to attend maybe MCD need to answer this question.

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  • Total nonsense. Ireland is a breeding ground for random violence that’s increasing every single year and the ”’minister of justice”’ is pushing the blame because a private, well organised, indigenous promotion company that produces millions in tax and public spending only paid for 656 security personnel!! Minister, when you can secure O’Connell street – then you can attack their ability to control 45,000 people.

    It is very clear the justice system is incapable of handling the onslaught of assault cases happening every night in this country and laying blame on a concert promoter is B.S.

    People who agree to extra checks and regulations obviously do not attend concerts. I do and I do not intend on waiting through airport like security restrictions because one lunatic decided to attack people in the Phoenix park rather than on some random street.

    MCD – please do not apologise. Maybe let the public know how much you gave to pay the Garda to provide security. Then let the public know how much they’ll have to pay extra if you’re forced to increase numbers. That’ll change options very quickly.

    Obviously it is very sad what happened to those people, but placing blame in the wrong place solves nothing and we shouldn’t all have to suffer for the actions of a small minority that night.

    The O2 presents ‘DAVID BOWIE’
    DOORS: 18:00 (please allow 4 hours to pass through metal detector & security check – body scanners coming in 2013)
    1st Band: 19:00
    RE-SEARCH AND SECURITY RE-CHECK FOR ALL: 19:30 – 23:00
    BOWIE: 23:00 -23:20
    **PLEASE NOTE: SPOTLIGHTS – guard dogs – personal security observers, barbed wire fencing and tasers will be in force inside the arena for the duration of the night. Enjoy!

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    • Well said. Pretty much what I posted but it was removed for some reason :/

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    • MCD must be held accountable for letting a person into the concert venue with a deadly weapon. The searches carried out at the gates were not rigerous enough. MCD must also be held accountable for letting visibly intoxicated people inside the concert venue.

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    • Sorry Paul, but no. Just because someone is drunk doesn’t mean they’re going on a rampage. Drunk people enter gigs all the time; difference is most don’t bring weapons with them.

      I was at the Stone Roses, I had my bag fully searched, All pockets were patted down, my back was patted and my legs. I’m not thrilled about your encouragement’s to have my groin, ass felt up in future, wait in line for hours for a metal detector check and even more invasive body searches. When I go to a gig, it’s meant to be a fun night out and not an intrusive, drawn out DMZ check

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    • Well Robert, I would rather get searched than stabbed.

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    • Paul, if you don’t mind spending hours and hours in line every time you go to a gig then great, but I’ll have to assume you just don’t go to many shows. I go to several every month and I do not intend on going through airport security every time I head out because of one nut job.

      It’s life, sh*t happens. We cannot bubble wrap the entire world in case we have a boo-boo. This over-liberal agenda of breast feeding adults if getting a little ridiculous. No amount of security will ever stop someone from harming others if that’s their intention. A guy could beat you to death with his bare hands, how do you pat down for that? And that’s the restrictions we’ll see then? Muscle guys having their arms cuffed at gigs?

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    • What are you talking about ‘hours and hours’ waiting in line? bubble wrapping the world? Would you give over. The searches at the SHM gig were inadequate, many reported just a ‘pat on the chest’ some reported not being searched at all. Have you read these reports? MCD should be held responsible for that, being the organizers of the event. I never said I was in favour of ariport style security checks at gigs. A quick search for weapons takes minimal tim, is very effective if done by trained personell. You are obviously affiliated with MCD or something.

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    • If a friend or family member of yours was injured I very much doubt you’d be saying ‘It’s life , shit happens’.

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  • Any news of missing cork girl?

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  • I can’t believe some of the comments on here saying that MCD are not resonsilble for what happened. A person was allowed to enter the concert venue with a deadly weapon. The searches at the gates were a joke. Everyone knows what I’m taking about. It’s a 2 second pat down, then on to the next person. The security personell are just going through the motions. MCD are responsible for having inadequate security measures in place. I don’t care if the numbers were above the required numbers. It’s quality , not quantity. If proper searches were carried out at the gates, and if visible intoxicated people were refused entry, then the concert venue would have been a much safer place, and maybe some of those people would not have been stabbed.

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  • MCD must apologise, it’s an absolute disgrace if they do not.

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  • Three Day event …in the Park … Gross Take in the Beer Tents €1,700,000.00 ..question what’s MCDs Cut ???

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