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Poll: Would you drink unpasteurised ‘raw’ milk?

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A ROW HAS erupted over a recommendation by the Food Safety Authority that the government restore a ban on the sale of unpasteurised ‘raw’ milk.

The ban, introduced in the mid nineties was overturned by a European directive in 2007.

Campaigners say that people should be able to buy unpasteurised milk directly from a farmer, and that people all over the country drink raw milk with no health consequences.

However the Food Safety Authority of Ireland has said that there are genuine concerns about unpasteurised milk and associated health risks.

What do you think? Would you like to sample ‘raw’ milk?


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  • Stephen Robb 10/09/11 #
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    Id try anything once

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  • mart_n 10/09/11 #
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    I drink it occasionally. There’s a shop that sells it in my village.. If there are health risks associated with it then stick a warning on the label and let people decide for themselves. There’s health risks associated with all sorts of stuff ffs.

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  • HEADWRECKER 10/09/11 #
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    Tried it couple of times not very pleasant !!

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  • Tony Stamper 10/09/11 #
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    Grew up on it. The difference between it and the slops in the carton are massive. Tastes so much better. It is also natural, I credit it with giving me an excellent immune system (touch wood). Any one who can go through Morocco for 2 weeks without getting sick has to be doing something right. lol

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    • Conor Murphy 10/09/11 #
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      I just want to point out that being ‘natural’ is not a health benefit in and of itself. And crediting it with anything helathwise based on personal experience is assumptive and misleading to the easier led.

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      @Tony Stamper. Grew up on it too. Never had any ill effects, and it tasted fantastic. “Shop milk” tasted like white water to me. I make no claims for its health benefits, but I believe people should have a choice.

    • Sue Anthony 11/09/11 #
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      I have my own goats and thier unpasterised milk its all I drink, make my own cheese, yoghurt and butter too out of it.

      I claim no health benfits from the slop sold in the shops!

  • Sheila Murphy 10/09/11 #
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    I grew up on a farm so it was the only kind of milk we had to drink and it did us absolutely no harm at all. As long as the farmer keeps his herd healthy and clean, and doesn’t allow milk from cows with for example mastitis into the mix then absolutely no problem at all. And farmers do keep infected milk separate – they have to if they don’t want their milk rejected by the creamery.

    Until relatively recently unpasteurised milk was the exception ( for most rural people anyway ). Amazing how previous generations survived!!!

    There was a study released earlier this year (sorry can’t find it at the mo’) which showed that unpasteurised milk offered great health benefits – makes me think of “teaching granny to suck eggs” though in fairness I’ve never known a granny to do that ;o)

    This kind of Nannying regulation really annoys me. We’re ADULTS, capable of making best decisions for us and our families. Its all well and good putting these rules into force but you can’t make blanket rules for people. Everyone’s psyche differs due to environment, family, culture etc.

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    • Sheila Murphy 10/09/11 #
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      Sorry should have read: Until relatively recently pasteurised milk ……

      Any chance of an Edit function Journal?

    • Justin Mason 10/09/11 #
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      “amazing how previous generations survived” is a little misleading. food poisoning is hardly going to wipe out a family line in most cases. http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm4838a2.htm notes however that raw milk was a cause of infant mortality in the US before pasteurization was introduced. http://www.realrawmilkfacts.com/#RawMilkFacts1 has plenty of scientific data and links to studies which indicate other (less serious) cases of poisoning in the US.

      Having said that, I agree — if we can sell alcohol and cigarettes over the counter in our shops, why not raw milk? Stick a label on it, noting that it’s unsafe for tiny children and can cause food poisoning. But give us the choice!

    • Sheila Murphy 10/09/11 #
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      I haven’t checked out your links Justin ;o)

      I think though that farming practices have improved greatly over the last 20 years or so – health & safety regulations are much more stringent on farmers and how they practice. That said, yes stick a label on it and make it clear. As an aside I can remember my little baby cousin dropping her glass bottle and the smash it made stays with me still and i must’ve been less than 2 at the time. Can you image that today? Definitely some changes are for the good ;o)

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    II had some once, in Bulgaria. I was there on a project and after six weeks we finished up having a bit of a party. Someone produced home made raki (‘no thanks I don’t drink’), similarly home made wine then blood sausages (‘I’m a vegetarian’) and cake (‘diabetic’).
    Then out came a 2 litre bottle of ‘lumpy’ milk. I have to accept, fearing causing serious offence to my hosts. Some was poured into a glass, lumps and all. I took the glass and sipped, expecting to have to feign delight. I didn’t have to feign delight. It was the nicest milk I think that I’ve ever tasted, remeniscent of milk I had in my childhood.
    The milk had still been in the cow until the morning and had been chilled whilst being carried in the -20C weather to the offices.
    I wish that I could source such green milk. Incidentally, I believe that it is possible to sell green milk in the UK, in ‘health shops’ and provided the bottle is appropriately labelled.

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  • Barra Darcy 10/09/11 #
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    I think I’ve tried it and it was nice but I can’t really remember…I’d try it agai though:)

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    I don’t think there should have been lumps in it Robert. I grew up on the stuff and the only time I saw lumps in it was when it settled for too long and the cream started rising (and the cream was delicious, especially with the summer strawberries we grew out the back). Banning it though is simply stupid. Alcohol is far more dangerous but I don’t see calls to ban it. Cigarettes and other tobacco products are even far more dangerous. Unlike “raw” milk, tobacco harms not just the consumer but those around as well, so why isn’t it banned? Smacks of hypocrisy and excessive meddling by the government if you ask me.

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    • Niamh Francis 10/09/11 #
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      Alcohol and cigarettes make lots of tax money, course they won’t ban them. I find it hypocritical that they don’t ban these two drugs but all the other recreational drugs are illegal…

  • Edward White 10/09/11 #
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    Brought me out in hives for days, but it’s the only proper milk you’ll ever get and if I had my way I’d buy it by the drum.

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      Have you ever been tested for lactose intolerance? One of the signs of it is hives. Another sign is colic in babies which is as a result of dairy being used in milk formula and in the diet of breastfeeding mums. Lactose intolerance affects as much as 75% of the population, the majority of whom don’t actually realise it. If you are having such reactions you could possibly be affected by “regular” dairy products as well, just not in as conspicuous a way (such as indigestion, diarrhoea, flatulence, headaches, migraines, wheezing, constipation, etc.). It could be worth getting tested for it.

  • Emma Kavanagh 10/09/11 #
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    I would love to try it, does anyone know how you go about sourcing it? I’m based in a city and have never seen it for sale. I think it should most certainly be available for sale and that individuals should make up their own minds. Based on widespread obesity and levels of food intolerance/allergy we’re surrounded by now I hardly think the Govt. has exactly been doing a bang up job with regard to the kind of food they have deemed “acceptable” over the last 40 years.

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  • Helen McGuinness 10/09/11 #
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    But what about the cheese??? Isn’t some of the most delicious cheese made with unpasteurised milk??
    Don’t screw with the cheese :(

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  • St.Artois 10/09/11 #
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    My parents forced me to drink it when we had sheep 17 years ago… but i never liked that!!!

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  • Saffron Marriott 10/09/11 #
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    My mum forced it down me growing up, she had a supply from the farmers on either side, thought it’d make me grow, but I’m only 5ft 3 lol. I didn’t enjoy it at the time but it didn’t do me any harm.

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  • Marie Kelly 10/09/11 #
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    I was brought up on it, no harm, as yet?

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  • Regina Maclean 10/09/11 #
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    I used to drink it all the time and it’s lovely, my children had it and they are all really healthy. I think we should have the choice not food police trying to get us to eat and drink what they want us to eat and drink. If the farmers are careful and the herds are tested and fed good feed there is nothing wrong with it.

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  • Monica Timmins 10/09/11 #
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    Food for thought:

    An adult cow won’t drink cow’s milk. An adult human won’t drink breastmilk. Cow’s milk is created to nourish a calf and turn from 90 pounds to a 2000 pound cow in 2 years. Would you drink breastmilk, instead of cow’s milk? We are the species on the planet that drinks milk as an adult and other species milk. Sounds weird?

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    • paudy o brien 10/09/11 #
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      Monica adult cows do and would drink cows milk if they are given it . Sometimes u get a problem where a cow will drink other cows.

    • Monica Timmins 10/09/11 #
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      Yes, ‘if given it’. Just like chicken’s will et chicken if given it and cow’s eat meat if given it. Their animals without a frontal lobe to use logic. Can I offer you a nice warm glass of breastmilk? How about a glass of dog milk or rat’s milk? ;)

  • Mary Jones 10/09/11 #
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    Tasted it again, just recently at the Theatre of Food at the Electric Picnic. Reminded me of a childhood holiday where I milked a cow in the evening and drank the chilled milk for breakfast next morning – so much taste! Regulate by all means, but please don’t ban!

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  • Alan Cookson 10/09/11 #
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    Never had any problems with it. Drank it regularly many years ago in the UK, when it was legal. Farmer’s wife delivered it personally. Makes great yoghurt: boil slowly for 2 minutes, then place in wide-mouthed Thermos overnight. Next morning: yoghurt. Brilliant stuff!

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  • Ordinary Joe 10/09/11 #
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    The main reason milk was pasteurised in the first place was to have a longer shelf life, wasn’t it? If the unpasteurised milk is from a reputable source and stored properly, you’d think it would have to be better for us, because it has had less "done to it" to get it to the consumer. Vitamins and nutrients can be damaged by the pasteurisation process.

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  • Isla Duffy 10/09/11 #
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    I grew up on it. Great stuff!

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  • Metassus 10/09/11 #
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    When i was three I had a lovely glass of raw milk when visiting a relative’s farm. I still remember the delicious taste … and ended up hospitalised for several weeks as a result. Only I got seriously ill from that batch.
    Would I try raw milk again? No. Never. Should it be consumed by those that wish to do so? Certainly, but those that promote its use should bear in mind that there are many people for whom it could be toxic, just as some cannot consume nuts for similar reasons.

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  • Peter De Courcy 10/09/11 #
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    As an adult it is best to avoid All cow’s milk. The dairy lobby won’t like it but your body will.

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    They have been banning this in the States too. It has something to do with Monsanto and GM food.

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  • Frances Kawala 10/09/11 #
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    it’s like old fashioned Gold Top – wonderful stuff with real cream on top! We’re too mollycoddled these days. Let’s enjoy some proper tasting food, and develop our own immune systems in the process. Our own problem if we’re unable/unwilling to read labels – would absolutely HATE to buy skimmed by mistake ! Same should apply to RAW

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  • Alan Larkin 10/09/11 #
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    Manys the time I drank it, still warm from the cow! Dvil the bit of ham it done me!

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  • David Conroy 10/09/11 #
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    Fags will probably kill you and this we want to ban. Just read the label.

    Also there should be an option for “I have already and I wouldn’y cross the road for it again” (my choice).

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  • mike 10/09/11 #
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    Imagine drink milk as it was before we took the cream out of it. OMG. Many people in Ireland drank this before pasteurisation was enforced on us.

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    • Conor Murphy 11/09/11 #
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      …please don’t do a good ole days argument. They did have a much shorter lifespan. Maybe we should just investigate it and decide ourselves?
      just an idea

  • Niamh Francis 10/09/11 #
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    Pasteurisation is just for making the milk last longer. I drank unpasteurised milk at home all my life until moving away to go to college, and I still drink the milk that comes straight from the dairy when I go back to visit my parents. The only difference is that it tastes way better than the stuff from the carton!

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    If you live on or near a farm and can pick the milk up from the parlor and drink it within a few hours, great. If you are buying it off a man with a van at a market or in a trendy low-turnover shop in the city, then you have to ask hard questions. Can the owner of the shop and the farmer really account for the milk for every minute of the journey from cow to glass? It’s not that unpasteurized milk is necessarily less safe, it’s that it’s far more likely to cause a problem if it is mishandled to even a small degree. The regular food refrigeration/distribution chain doesn’t have the buffers and protections to keep the unpasteurized milk safe. In fact, in Ireland there is no national system for the government to ensure the integrity of the refrigeration chain.

    It’s fine to talk about labeling making everything ok, but when there’s a major food poisoning incident, it’s the health service that has to carry the financial burden of it. The idea that health inspectors can let themselves off the hook to allow a product that is unsafe in the standard food chain because it has been labelled is silly.

    If someone builds an alternative national refrigeration chain that guarantees same morning, temperature-controlled delivery to consumers, the inspectors will give them a hearing and consider changing the rules. But until then, I can understand them wanting to err on the side of caution. (No one will develop that chain because it would just be too expensive, you’d be looking at 10 or 20 euros for a bottle of milk.)

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      The health services also have to carry the financial burden of alcohol and nicotine related illness too, yet these are allowed to simply carry a health warning. Why not raw milk? Sure most cigarettes contain cyanide for Pete’s sake. We are going to allow our citizens consume cyanide, but not raw milk? I think our government’s priorities are a little off if you ask me. If we’re going to ban everything that’s bad for you then why not ban chips, crisps, biscuits, chocolate, sweets, chewing gum, pork, eggs, bread, white pasta, all processed foods including pizzas and microwave dishes, cigarettes, alcohol, etc. The fact is there is only one real reason governments want raw milk banned – they have less control over the tax take from it as it is generally a cash product. No money for an unhealthy product = make it illegal.

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    I drink micro-filtered milk.
    It has the taste of raw milk since it hasn’t been heated to high temperatures, but all the bacteria has been physically removed. I live in Paris where you can buy it everywhere. Before they had it here I remember dutch friends sign it’s praises.

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  • Evert Bopp 10/09/11 #
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    Just what we need, a busybody government banning the sale of a natural untreated food product.
    Big government much?

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  • That’s the end of breast feeding I suppose !

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    WAs reared on it !!No such thing as pasteurised until someone decided to hit the farmers AGAIN !! load of rubbish ,drink it fresh and enjoy

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    If I owned my own farm, raised cattle and had my own milking parlour – then sure. If I wasn’t confident that the teats of my cows weren’t infected, that my machinery was clean, that I didn’t have birds nesting inside the parlour dropping faeces on the floor, that I didn’t have cats and dogs running in and out dirtying the place, and that I was obeying all the other European and Department of Agriculture guidelines… then how could I expect anyone else to drink the milk I produced?

    But I’m not a farmer, and I don’t do all of those things. I can’t be confident that everyone is as diligent as they should be. How am I to know, when I go into a supermarket, that I’m buying milk produced by an honest and decent farmer, and not some cute hoor? The kind of cute hoor that would have pigeons dropping faeces left right and centre inside the milk parlour? The kind that would have dogs and cats running all over the place, pissing everywhere? The kind that would clean his machines once in a blue moon?

    I drink pasteurised milk for the same reason I make sure my steak is well done – you never know what manner of individual the farmer is.

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    • paudy o brien 10/09/11 #
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      I can assure u that farmers do all of the above that you would also do if you where milking cows. testing of milk every day and regular inspection of milking parlour makes sure they do !

    • Your loss if you don’t appreciate the succulence of a medium rare steak then. All the milk in the supermarket is pasturised unless otherwise stated on the bottle. Labeling, thats how you know whats what. Your choice to miss out on the finer things in life so please don’t deny the rest of us the same choice.

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      I know all of that, Paudy O Brien… My father is a Dep of Agriculture inspector, and I’ve heard all the horror stories from him first hand. Thirty-nine years on the job, and nearing retirement, he’s still running into the same old stuff time and again.

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      Dáithí – I’m not denying anyone else the choice. I’m a private citizen, who has made the choice not to drink pasteurised milk. And with a food scientist as a father, I’ve heard quite enough about sloppy farming and factory conditions, for the idea of eating rare steak to disgust me profoundly. Again, it’s just a choice, and I’m quite happy that you haven’t heard as many horror stories as I have, to enjoy “the finer things in life”.

  • Glenda Murphy 10/09/11 #
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    Grew up on it, my mum hand milked the cow every morning and evening, its personal choice so why would u ban it

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  • Emmet Kelly 10/09/11 #
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    Delicious. If I start a band I’m calling it ‘Top of the Bottle’.

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  • Donal Cannon 10/09/11 #
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    I grew up on it as did generations of my family before me, what did people do before they started to pasteurise it ? No one in my family has ever became ill as a result of drinking fresh cows milk, i often drank it still warm from the cow.

    People should have a choice as to what they want to eat or drink, personally i will never drink skimmed milk because it tastes like watered down milk, if some people are happy to drink it then that should be their choice.

    If i was given the choice of which milk i would like to buy i would choose fresh “raw” milk, it is by far the best option.

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  • Evan O'Q 10/09/11 #
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    I don’t see why people should be denied the choice to buy and drink it if they want, provided there is a label explaining so etc. I’m sure that it does no harm generally speaking, but some people who are not in the best health would like to take their chances on something that can’t be 100percent guaranteed to be perfectly healthy.

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  • Brenda Wall 10/09/11 #
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    Breast milk isn’t pasteurised but it doesn’t cause infant mortality.
    Give people the choice – let people choose the delicious unpasteurised milk if they want and give a vote of confidence to the farmers.

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  • Gerard Murphy 10/09/11 #
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    A lot of us grew up on natural milk. Here is a very kind person wanting to share that experience – so to speak
    http://services.vivastreet.ie/massage+anascaul/breastmilk-fresh-frozen/37307461

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    I feel the bigger picture is being missed so I’m reposting this from the previous Journal story: As with all stories there’s a back story, a wider context. The FSA acknowledge themselves that ‘banning a popular natural foodstuff is unusual.’ So why are they banning it? Numerous other foodstuffs have not been banned which had similar risks from duck eggs to bean sprouts. It’s very simple, those sectors do not have a global, over-weaned twin brother: the mass produced dairy sector. This global player is terrified of the raw milk movement. They are worried that a minor health scare here will be used by other global players to halt their production. And wouldn’t you when you’ve their business model? Put it this way: a kilo of some of the most expensive artisan cheeses are often cheaper per kilo than the mass produced ‘toy-cheeses.’

    The mindset in the Department, the FSAI and the advice Minister Coveney is getting suits the big food players alone. The really worrying part is that this mindset has not changed with the new
    government. Across Europe the most humble of consumers understand locality and tradition and assume that they will get the same here. We need to work harder to ensure they do, not work against the sectors who are trying to deliver food with integrity that food-tourists demand (a core part of Tourism Ireland’s strategy). Have we learned nothing from relying on one sector or major players? A multiplicity of small businesses is stronger than a conglomerate of giants to the GDP. Indeed it is small businesses who make up a good 80 per cent of our GDP. Until we change the mind-set this will just be the first of many battles while the lobbyists of mega-food producers will reach cosy agreements around the production of their food, none of which will take account of the small producer. All the better if you have the ear of the Minister. Though it is probably very unfair of anyone to suggest that there is any connection between this issue and the bothers Coveney, one being Simon Coveney, the Minister with responsibility for raw milk and the other Patrick Coveney, the ceo of Greencore the convenience food manufacturer. I am sure they have never discussed the subject.

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    I grew up on raw milk as well as some other commentators have said, but I think that someone who didn’t might have some problems if they just switched from pasteurised to raw. Like the commentator who visited Morocco I too have a strong stomach, theirs not much that I can’t eat.

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  • Jane Dickson 11/09/11 #
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    You missed an option “I don’t even drink pasteurised milk”

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  • Alco Holic 11/09/11 #
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    7 parts vodka to one part milk on your cornflakes wont do you any harm. Hic!…

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