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Priory Hall residents: Ours will just be the first case of many

Evacuated residents fear that Dublin City Council will also win their challenge not to pay for their temporary housing costs from 3 February.

Priory Hall apartment complex - some of the damp and rain leaks on the walls are visible from a distance
Priory Hall apartment complex - some of the damp and rain leaks on the walls are visible from a distance
Image: Sasko Lazarov/Photocall Ireland

THE RESIDENTS OF Priory Hall who had to be evacuated from their homes because of serious safety issues with their apartment development have warned that other cases of substandard property will emerge.

Graham Usher, spokesperson for Priory Hall Residents Committee, told TheJournal.ie that Priory Hall “will be the first of these kind of cases”. He said that the situation faced by residents was grim and that they viewed it as “a complete failure on the part of the State and the local authority”.

Dublin City Council is to cover the cost of temporary housing until 3 February for Priory Hall residents who were forced out of their fire-hazard homes. The DCC has a legal appeal being heard in the Supreme Court on 19 January which will rule on whether the council is responsible for temporary housing costs after this date. Usher said that the residents feared that the council will win this appeal:

We have been told to expect the worst from this appeal and if that is the case, we will be homeless.

The committee has this week been emailing all ministers in the Cabinet in a bid to secure an intervention in their case. “There has been absolutely no response and I think the Government will avoid the issue,” said Usher. He said:

I think that this will turn into a much bigger issues and that Priory Hall will only be the first of many developments that will be found to have had construction problems.

Some of the residents have penned their individual stories and addressed them to Taoiseach Enda Kenny and Environment and Local Government Minister Phil Hogan. One email was also addressed to all the ministers in the current Fine Gael-Labour government.

Graham Usher said that the committee will be asking new housing junior minister Roisin Shortall for a meeting to look at the housing issues. He said:

We’ve also sent an email to Minister Hogan suggesting solutions to the situation. We have had no suggestions from the Department of the Environment so we are trying to be proactive in making suggestions other than putting us out of our homes.

Some of the different solutions outlined by the Priory Hall Resident Committee include:

  • “Priory Hall needs to be treated the same as a natural disaster” and compensation put in place for residents who the committee claims have suffered because of “a diaster in which the government and the local authority bear a large share of responsibility through ineffective legislation and lax enforcement”
  • While restructuring works are in place on Priory Hall, a reputable builder, architect and engineer should oversee the project
  • The name Priory Hall should be removed from the property so that if residents return to their homes, they will not have a stigma attached
  • Negotiations should be carried out with NAMA to give residents a roof over their heads in unoccupied buildings while works are being carried out on Priory Hall
  • The DCC could negotiate with the banks on loan write-offs for residents and then create an alternative – possibly community – use of Priory Hall as its location is close to a DART station, the coastline, the airport and the city

The only other solution, says the committee, is that the residents hand back their keys to the banks and be ruined financially as well as being dragged through the courts. “The only winners in this scenario are the legal professionals,” writes the committee.

The developer who built Priory Hall, Tom McFeely, is appealing a three-month prison sentence and a €1m fine for failing to make the apartments safe to live in. The residents were evacuated from them by court order on 17 October after the apartments were branded an immediate fire hazard.

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Comments (63 Comments)

  • Ciaro 07/01/12 #

    Billy, you are an asshole. Typical Irish gombeen who doesn’t give a shit about anyone but yourself.

    The ironic thing is….. people with the same attitude you possess are the cause of this countries problems.

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  • Silly Billy!!!
    How dare you. You are only posting comments as you are an attention seeker. Grow up for gods sake. This is not a game.
    I own an apartment in Priory Hell. I have two young children, do you honestly think, knowing what I do now, that I would have risked my children’s lives? You do not know enough about our situation to be so judge mental.
    If your sister/brother bought here would you feel the same? I think not.
    If you bought a pair of shoes would you inspect the sole, stitching? No!
    We bought in utmost faith.
    The only thing we are guilty of is being too trusting.
    Billy you’re adding to my upset so get lost!

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  • Billy i suggest you go talk about something you know. Which is probably very little. This is an absolutely disgusted,disgraceful situation. The residents are being treated disgracefully. The successive governments should hang their heads in shame. Honest,decent good people would help out the residents. But alas i don’t think there is anyone like that in government.

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    • Thank you Leslie, this has and still is a living nightmare. Thank you to you and the general public for your ongoing support, it is so encouraging.
      It reminds me why I am proud to be Irish!

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    • Absolutely no need for thanks Stephanie. I wish those who are involved would just take responsibility for this. How anyone can just sit back and do nothing disgusts me. What sort of people ate they, that they do not seem to have any conscience, any decency. They are elected for a purpose, to help those that elected them. There is not a single politician who care anymore. Everyone of them are a disgrace.

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  • Sinmac 07/01/12 #

    Billy, you really are a sad little man. I just had a quick look at your twitter feed and the comments you make especially about women are disgusting. You need to grow up, stop being a keyboard warrior and get a life. Also try to have respect for women, would you like someone to speak about your mother the way you refer to women. Don’t bother replying as I have more important things going on in my life than wasting time with you…

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    • Billy 07/01/12 #

      Message me on twitter if you have a problem as it has no place on a priory hall story. I’m pretty even handed in my twitter abuse you will find.

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    • Billy, your profile pic…is it the before or after photograph?

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    • The very BEST to all The RESIDENTS of PRIORY HALL at this very difficult hard time. MOST buyers cannot even imagine a quarter of the stress that this is causing yea. It is people like BITTER BILLY that has our state the way it is however I Really and truly want to wish Each and Every one of you the VERY BEST IN YOUR QUEST FOR JUSTICE

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    • three things billy if you want to be taken seriously…change ur profile pic and change ur attitude and change the record. Yawn.

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    • Well said bernadette. Sinead I have tried contacting again through fbook but for some reason messages are not going through. As I have said to sharon you have our support and if we can help you with anything give me a shout. I won’t go into details publicly. Thanks and best of luck.

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  • Sinmac 07/01/12 #

    http://prioryhall.net/presentation/ this is a presentation one of the residents put together in 2010 ( 3 years after we moved in) which we used to highlight the problems to our local TDs and Cllrs. It was sent to numerous other people including the former Minister for the Envirionment, John Gormley and guess what surprise, suprise no responses from the Minister then either.

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  • Ciaro 07/01/12 #

    just had a look at Billy’s twitter page…………..on reflection I apologise for my comments above about him. He’s obviously suffering from some sort of mental retardation, we shouldn’t make fun of this.

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  • Hey Billy, is your profile pic evidence of you ‘dressing well’?

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  • Billy you dont go by the name of Mcfeely do you? But seriously, why is that scumbag still living in a big d4 house, he should be on the streets because he knew he was building death traps.

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  • Ardo Ci 07/01/12 #

    Grim and grimmer! What a state – Free State – this ‘member State’ is in? If the agencies involved and the legislation failed in securing the correct procedures were followed, and appropriate materials applied, in the construction of Priory Hall, then those responsible should be facing criminal charges and the government itself should be making those charges even against Dublin CC. It’s abominable to realise that once again the only winners in the Irish ‘Free’ State lottery in the desire of the people for their rights is the legal profession. Bring back Brehon Law and let’s get rid of this sham of a democracy as portrayed by Irish Governments.

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    • This is an appalling situation and one that will not be easily shoved out of the way . Who signed the safety orders on these apartments , It is mind boggling to think of the legal quagmire that these innocent home owners will find themselves tied up in for years to come ….. I have said it before and I will keep saying it and I wish I could help , but surely there is somebody out there in government, on the council, in the senate, in a profession that can help these families …

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  • Well said Sinead and Steph. PH is a nightmare inflicted on innocent people, victims of a builder and government who clearly do not care for their lives and blatantly being ignored to fix the mess they have caused.

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  • The government will do nothing here because as somebody has already stated this is only the tip of the iceberg & there are lots more in a similar or worse state than PH

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    • @ Graham Usher Very well said and the Government should step in as their duty of care is to to the citizens and as NAMA is powered by the tax payer and it also rolls over to the Banks are being bailed out by the taxpayer

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  • interesting how billy and tommy share a profile pic

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  • In an attempt to bring this threat back to the article below are the full proposals set out by the residents to Dublin City Council and the dept of Environment. It should be noted that the only proposals put forward are from the residents. There has been only silence from DCC and the government.

    I’d also point out that every developed nation with the exception of Ireland & Greece have building controls that involve ispections during construction phase (as per Tony Reddy the former president of the Irish Institute of Architects). There is a reason for this. Reasonable people realise that an ordinary citizen does not have the technical knowledge or the resources to carry out these inspections,. ear in mind it cost DCC €40,000 and took 2 years to uncover the defects.

    With regard to some of the comments on the thread there are always people who have a sad craving for attention who post idiotic comments. I think the best way to deal with these people is to ignore them.

    Solution 1
    Priory Hall needs to be treated the same as a natural disaster, for example the 10 million euro funding you announced on the 8th of November 2011, for the flooding victims. If the state will provide funding in the case of a natural disaster surely it can do the same for a disaster in which the government and the local authority bear a large share of responsibility through ineffective legislation and lax enforcement.
    This time my home needs be built correctly with proper building controls in place, a reputable builder and an architect and engineer who will properly oversee the project. A project plan needs to be put in place and a target date needs to be set for when we can move back in. Doing this will ease the uncertainty we currently face. Whilst the works are ongoing negotiations should be carried out with NAMA to ensure we can continue to have a roof over our heads.
    The exterior of the property needs a total re-design so it is no longer recognisable from the current news reports and the name needs to changed from Priory Hall. This will help lessen the stigma currently attached to my home.

    Solution 2
    I am well aware that tax payer funded NAMA currently has a lot of empty properties on their books. I would suggest that instead of letting these buildings lie empty Priory Hall residents should be provided with a list of these properties and if they are suitable, we should be given an opportunity to transfer our mortgages. This will allow us to avoid financial ruin by being forced to default on our mortgages. The banks are currently out of pocket for these properties anyway, why add Priory Hall to their bad debts. In the end it is the tax payer who would be forced to pay the price.

    Solution 3
    DCC should negotiate with our financial institutions as to what it will cost for the banks to write off our loans. They should agree a price to take on the property and either rebuild it for social housing or build something of use to the whole community. Regardless of the current situation, Priory Hall is in a prime location with its own Dart Station, close proximity to the coastline, Dublin Airport and the City Centre.

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  • Can I just add to this thread that we have a Facebook page, “Support the priory hall residents”. We sincerely appreciate everyone’s comments. Even yours Billy/Tommy, whoever you are!
    Happy new year :)

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    • ”Priory Hall residents: Ours will just be the first case of many”

      Somethings tells me that our government will eventually be
      Kicking us out of our unsafe homes.
      Demolishing them.
      And then billing us for the demolition costs.

      Watch this space.

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  • Whatever happened to the sale of goods act, the building is clearly not fit for purpose and was sold under false pretences…

    If it were me, I’d hand back the keys and tell the lot to go stuff.

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  • @Graham sensible solutions I feel our elected representatives should take a look at and conisder comprehensively to get the best value for money for all tax payers incluidng the residents of Priory Hall who will in effect contribute to the costs. No handouts, bail outs or hand ups being requested or proposed just a sensible, economically thought out solution for 89 homeless families.

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  • Why is the City Manager still walking around and not put in jail? He is responsible for buying over 25 apartments in Priory Hall from the developer while his company was under investigation by Dublin Ciry Council for failing to comply with building regulations on uuanother site. He handed over 5 million to the developer and didn’t even inspect the properties. I bet he viewed and inspected his own home at least 3 times before he handed over the money. Yet he handed over the taxpayers money without a second thought for the people who would have to live there.

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  • will the state be liable for every uninhabitable dwelling?

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  • The residents need to find a nearby NAMA block and move in ask occupy group for help. I wouldn’t even hand back keys what are they gonna do with them. Poor legal advice sue the architect and the individual who signed off surely one of residents has bit cop no need for legal advice or barristers do it yourself you will never pay them, and it’s clearly been in their interest to string it out!!

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    • Sinmac 07/01/12 #

      HI Anel, court cases take years to get to court. In the next month the residents will be forced to chose between paying the mortgage on the home they cannot live in and using this mortgage money to rent privately or paying the mortgage on the home they cannot live in and being homeless. Nobody in this day and age could afford both. So as I am sure you can understand it is the immediate needs we are currently fighting for… somewhere to live – a basic human right. We cannot wait years for this to get court.. we need help now, but unfortunately this Government is ignoring us, as did the previous Governement.

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    • Billy 07/01/12 #

      Mortgage shoukd account for 25% of income as should rent. Together that makes 50%. Uncomfortable but very doable if they had an ounce of honour and determination to look after their own affairs.

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  • Also, it will be the first of many cases if DCC lose on 19 Jan

    I feel for the PH owners but find this case to be interesting as it may establish that the state/local auth is ultimately responsible for such defects on dwellings.

    Where does the contract of the purchaser come into it? And homebond or premier guarantee? And the builders banks monitor on the project, and the purchasers surveyors professional indemnity? And architects/engineers Prof Indem?

    Surely they should be called on first before the owners resort to the state for remedy?

    It has me vexed.

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    • Tommy 07/01/12 #

      They’re clearly taking what they see as the easiest route as they dont seem to have the stomach to take a legal case against the people responsible. Get a load of public sympathy (references to banker bailouts etc) and then cloud the legal issues. The state are clearly last on the list of people to blame. I’d suggest they go after the professionals who are partly to blame and who have the funds.

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    • so why wasn’t this done in the first instance or was it?

      What scheme was it under? Premier Guarantee or Homebond?

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    • Hey Billy your back change your by deedpoll to Tommy?Well i suppose T for Tommy T for Troll.

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    • The bond provided by homebond does not cover defective materials or workmanship. homebond have ben grossly underfunded and have only been underwritten by an insurer since 2004. They used a system of self certification by the builder who paid homebond a sum for example €500,000. This few then covers that builder/developer for the ‘ structural’ cover for the houses and estates that he builds. If a problem arises the money paid in is then divided by the number of houses built. €500,000 could be divided by up to 1000 properties dependent on the amount of units. Now as you can see that money divided up does not come near to addressing the problem or come close.to being enough to fix it. AS for premier they are essentially an insurance company and.operate very differently. They don’t make out easy.for the.homeowner to.make a claim but if everything is in order they will fix eventually.

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    • Tommy in response to why the residents don’t take legal action, clearly you haven’t thought this through. McFeely already has an outstanding judgement against his since 2006 for a substandard house he built. He has not paid that judgement, what makes you think he would pay any judgement awarded in this case. Also the money has to come from somewhere, so IF the developers had insurance this insurance is not a bottomless pit of money. It will be limited in its capacity to pay out and you can be sure that it will not be enough to cover fixing this development and housing the residents while it is being fixed. As far as I am aware the developers involved are already in recievership which again leaves a very limited pot of money to pay out from. So taking the legal route might seem like the obvious answer but it is not always possible nor does it ensure a positive outcome even if the residents win the case (which undoubtedly they would). Then the residensts are left with legal fees and still nowhere to live. So maybe you should think things through before you jump in with your unhelpful comments.
      I will put ur arrogance down to youth, lets just hope you wise up before it is too late.
      I am not a resident of Priory Hall but you can bet they have my support.

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  • State failed to ensure state law was adhered to therefore state should pay full cost, no question about it.

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  • How can it be treated as a natural disaster when man made?

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  • Billy 07/01/12 #

    The place was falling apart from day one. The residents bought a lemon knowing full well they weren’t protected by am consumer legislation. Utterly irresponsible behaviour from them and they will have to pay the price.

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    • Jazus Billy the milk of human kindness!!

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    • It seems that people get more upset about well off pensioners having to pay tax on earnings, than they do about families (who through no fault of their own) could be homeless! The goings on in Priory Hall are a national disgrace! No one wants take responsibility for the huge crime that was committed against these families. Ultimately Dublin city council oversaw the building of Priory Hall. Therefore the buck stops with them. It’s time a proper criminal investigation was initiated against them!

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    • The troll is back.Paid anyones mortgaga recently billy?Mines due how about it.

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  • Billy 07/01/12 #

    Lot of anger in this thread. I’m out of here. Some of you need to get your Priority Halls in order. They are selling Irish yorkshire terriers in Newbridge!
    http://www.buddhapalace.ie/menu.php#main_menu_Main_Course
    Slow Roasted Yorkshire Terrier

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