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Column: If Ireland votes no, how would we finance the country? Here’s how

The debate about what would happen if Ireland votes no is based on worst case scenarios. We should focus on real alternatives, write Michael Taft and Tom McDonnell.

Michael Taft and Tom McDonnell

IF IRELAND VOTES no in the upcoming referendum on the fiscal compact treaty, one of the biggest issues is how the country can still be funded.

It’s a complex debate, but one of the more compelling sources of institutional funding is the European Financial Stability Facility (the EFSF).

The EFSF is one of four external sources of funding for the current Irish bailout (along with the IMF, the European Financial Stabilisation Mechanism, and bi-lateral loan agreements with the UK, Sweden and Denmark). The EFSF remains a source of funding for all Eurozone countries until the middle of next year.

The EFSF is separate from the ESM and the Fiscal Treaty. Ireland, and all countries who are members of the EFSF, has access to this fund as of right, depending on the following conditions:

• They cannot access funding at reasonable rates on the international markets
• They have negotiated a Memorandum of Understanding with the EU and the IMF

A further stipulation is unanimous consent from the Finance Ministers of the Eurozone (Eurogroup), which would follow on from an agreement with the EU/IMF. Applications for this funding can be made up to the end of June 2013. After that the EFSF will only administer funding that has already been agreed.

According to the recent Eurogroup statement (the Finance Ministers of Eurozone countries):

For a transitional period until mid-2013, it (the EFSF) may engage in new programmes in order to ensure a full fresh lending capacity of EUR 500 billion (for the ESM).

This is confirmed by the EFSF itself which states:

. . . following the Eurogroup meeting held on 30 March, it was decided that the EFSF would remain active until July 2013 . . . For a transitional period until 2013, EFSF may engage in new programmes in order to ensure a full fresh lending capacity of €500 billion . . . after June 2013, EFSF [will] not enter into any new programmes.

Therefore, were Ireland to apply for a second bail-out prior to July 1st 2013, it would be granted if such an application were accompanied by a Memorandum of Understanding negotiated between Ireland, the EU and the IMF – similar to the first bail-out. This funding is not contingent upon the ratification of the Fiscal Treaty.

Ireland’s second bailout?

In all probability, funding for Ireland’s second bailout – whether it approves the Fiscal Treaty or not – will be routed through the EFSF. The EFSF (the temporary bailout fund in place up to July 2013) and the ESM (permanent bailout mechanism) are different companies. The EFSF has €440 billion,  of which €192 billion is already committed to Ireland, Portugal and Greece.

The remaining lending capacity of the EFSF for programmes initiated before July 2013 is therefore €248 billion. The EFSF will remain in place to manage its existing programmes and any other new programmes approved prior to July 2013, until such time as all these programmes are all wound down.

The ESM itself has €500 billion and is scheduled to enter force on 1 July 2012. As stated above, the intention would be to ensure the ESM retains its full lending capacity of €500 billion. This no doubt refers to the prospect of larger countries, in particular Spain, needing a bailout. The ESM would require full capacity to accommodate new countries’ need for a bail-out.

Ireland’s continuing access to institutional funding beyond the current bailout programme has been guaranteed not once, but twice, by the heads of States and Government; first, on 12 July of last year when the establishment of the European Stability Mechanism was agreed, and most recently on 30 January of this year – after the Fiscal Treaty was signed:

We welcome the latest positive reviews of the Irish and Portuguese programmes which concluded that quantitative performance criteria and structural benchmarks have been met. We will continue to provide support to countries under a programme until they have regained market access, provided they successfully implement their programmes.

This is an important and helpful guarantee. There is no condition set on continued support until we return to the markets – except that we implement agreed programmes. If continued support were contingent upon acceptance of the Treaty, we should have expected it to be highlighted in this statement.

‘Ireland is expected to return to the markets in late 2013… however the IMF is cautious’

This helps explain another issue we highlighted earlier. The drafters of the European Stability Mechanism Treaty inserted clauses that provide manoeuvrability in negotiations with any Eurozone country in need of financing, regardless of the Fiscal Treaty. In particular, they inserted references to ‘new programmes under the European Stability Mechanism’, a clause which would have been unnecessary if all financing under the ESM were strictly conditional on a yes vote.

They have seemingly factored in a situation whereby a second bail-out for Ireland (and potentially Portugal and Greece) would constitute ‘rolled-over’ financing, rather than ‘new’ financing. This buttresses the guarantee given by the heads of States and Governments – namely that Ireland will continue to be supported until we return to the markets.

This is an important debate as there is a high probability that Ireland will require a second bail-out. We are expected to return to the markets in late 2013 and fully by 2014. However, the IMF is cautious:

Debt sustainability remains fragile, especially with respect to medium-term growth prospects . . . In this context, the prospects for regaining the substantial access to market funding that is assumed in 2013 remain uncertain.

Were a second bail-out required, we estimate that it could be as large as €45 billion and possibly more for the years 2014 and 2015, taking into account the Exchequer balance and bond redemptions. This does not include bank payments. While this is less than the current bail-out provision it is clear that Ireland, without access to either market or institutional funding, would not be able to cope with this fiscally. We would be heading into a default – quite possibly on both sovereign and banking debt. This would have negative spillover effects for other Eurozone countries.

The ‘appalling scenario’ of a No vote

We reiterate the point from earlier there is no reason to resort to counter-posing ‘appalling scenarios’. Some argue that Ireland will be frozen out of both market and institutional funding if we vote No. Clearly, this would be an appalling scenario. Others argue that it would never come to this because of the impact on the Eurozone (defaults, contagion) – another appalling scenario.

This is not a satisfactory way to debate this issue. This will trap us in a ‘race-to-disaster’ debate which will be particularly uninformative. We have attempted to outline concrete alternative funding scenarios for Ireland. Whether these would become available is a subject for legitimate debate. However, those who claim that Ireland would be denied access to EFSF funding – or any other funding sources – should provide concrete evidence to this effect. Evidence one way or the other would be a valuable contribution.

The debate over the Fiscal Treaty should be just that – a debate about the provisions of the Treaty. In this respect, it is helpful to note wider European developments. Spain has, unsurprisingly, officially re-entered recession putting at risk their deficit targets; the prospect of a Socialist Party victory in the French second-round Presidential vote raises the prospect of some renegotiation of the Fiscal Treaty; the fall of the Dutch government over failure to agree budget cuts highlights the problems posed by the Fiscal Compact in a major core country.

As Ireland prepares for the referendum vote, the ground under the Fiscal Treaty may already be shifting. Resort to ‘appalling scenarios’ will only confuse the issue when the debate should be focused on whether the provisions of the Fiscal Treaty are good, or even sustainable, for Ireland and the Eurozone.

Michael Taft is Research Officer with Unite the Union and blogs at Notes on the Front. Tom McDonnell is a policy analyst at TASC. This article originally appeared on Progressive-Economy.ie

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Comments (44 Comments)

  • In short this referendum is “much ado about nothing” as far as a second bail out is concerned? That’s grand so, I’ll get back to shovelling my tax into the bottomless pit of public expenditure and bank debt!!!

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  • Can anyone explain why we are voting on a fiscal compact that Spain is ignoring, France will not ratify if the presidential election goes as expect. A fiscal compact that has caused the collapse of the Dutch government and when Greece go to the polls god knows what kind of government will appear. Seems to be an awful lot of money to spend on a ‘treaty’ that is already dead in the water?

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  • Very insightful article because it makes us focus more on what the Treaty means than all the dire treats and doomsday scenarios that are doing the rounds?

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  • they all whinge the same tune “if Ireland comes out of the Euro it is going to be worse”. Tell me whingers, as a pensioner and an invalid, how can it be worse? I am threatened with losing my home that I spent my life working for, I have several complaints that need medical treatment and I have a friend in the UK that is willing to get me the treatment in another Country outside the Eu, because my so-called “gov” are being worked by the Troika like glove puppets. therefore the services are not available to me, basically the young and the old, the sick and the poor are being told to go away and die someplace. My grandfather God rest him fought for Irish Freedom, and those traitors in Dail Eireann have sold the freedom he fought for and better men and women than any of them died for. So you tell me whinger, how can it be worse? The € is like a millstone around the Nations necks, and it will be harder but only until we get the balls our forefathers had, and tell the Troika where to stuff their € and tell Kenny and his fellow traitors where to go to.

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    • Well said Joe.
      Unfortunately… in our first tentative steps towards nationhood we had men and women who sacrificed themselves for the country, these days we have men and women who sacrifice the country for themselves.

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  • So effectively, they want us to vote yes, because if we don’t then they may be unable to continue paying themselves the premiership footballer wages they’re currently on?

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  • Fagan's 26/04/12 #

    The treaty is dead at this stage. Look at the next Govt. of Holland, absolutely opposed to the approach that is being taken, the Spanish Conservative Minister has set budget targets that completely ignore it, stating that if he implements the EU measures that Spain’s economy will collapse, the markets backed him on this. France’s next probable Pres. has called for it to be re-negotiated.

    The depth of opposition to this treaty across Europe is quiet impressive. I think that the economists who are backing it reluctantly here,are aware that the treaty will be ignored in reality.

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  • What a weak shower of prats we have in office,afraid of the eu,yet bully this nation in to voting yes to a treaty that nobody understands,apart from the usual threats if we vote no!..fianna fail made the mistake when they signed us up on sept 08,for massive loans,and now the sharks are calling in their henchmen for payback,in the form of a yes vote!..I’m voting no-so screw the lot of them…..

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  • So, two irredeemable socialists say, ‘Its ok folks, I found a loophole that we can use to maybe ask for more money but no guarantees the Euro Finance Ministers will agree. Yippee! More cheap money!’. Grow up. We have to stand on our own two feet. If we really are looking for alternative funding there’s always the IMF alone. But I note our leftie friends haven’t mentioned them. Why? Because the IMF alone get real on PS wages real fast.

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  • CMD 26/04/12 #

    Sounds like on balance it’s better to vote no. I, as yet, have not seen one good reason to vote yes. The fiscal restrictions this treaty will impose are there already except not exactly law. It’s like we all know it doesn’t make sense to spend more than we earn but this treaty would state it’s against the law to do so and the big guns i.e Germany, will be the police. I, for one, am not happy with that. Also the political and financial ground is shifting so fast in Europe at the moment that by May 31 it may not even be relevant anymore anyway. I am deeply suspicious of anything this government is trying so hard to push on us, using fear and threats. Imagine Kenny going to Europe trying to explain a no vote in Ireland. ” the Irish all went mad Angela”. Sound familiar?

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    • You have to ask yourself why the government is pushing so hard for a Yes vote. It would be safe to say, they’re in the know much more than the opposition, and you, also, have to ask yourself why would Enda promote something that is bad for Ireland. Surely he wants what’s best for Ireland – like the rest of us. What would be his motive for vigorously promoting something that could destroy our future. It’s a question I never hear anybody asking.

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    • Maybe because enda’s loyalty to the EPP takes precedence over any loyalty to this country???
      It’s not a secret that FG are traditionally a European federalist party

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  • Confusing or what?

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    • If there are any clever cloggs out there, where were they when they were needed most? …During the celtic tiger years.
      At a time when we indulged in a most serious and disturbingly greedy behaviour.
      Any comments at this stage from smart alecs should be taken with extreme caution.

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  • they are doing the exact same as the lisbon treaty. if you dont vote yes then where we are going to get the money to pay the wages for public service and ministers?

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    • They won’t there will have to be massive cuts across the board. Personally I think that’s the better option, default, regroup, reorganise, fix the system, start again, work hard. Don’t think the government has the stomach for it though, or the pro-active, innovative attitude to properly pull it off; but since I recently emigrated it won’t make too much of a difference to me in the scheme of things either way.

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    • Very true Paul, when your government ate getting paid massive wages already then they just want the easy life for themselves and there buddies by looking for a yes vote so Europe can do there job for them! No chance people vote NO and lets take our country back and lets start working hard again!

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    • @Paul
      You think the system can be fixed?
      I think it needs a compete overhaul. Perhaps a dual system…. One that works alongside the current one.

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  • The treaty imposes countries debt should be now more than 3% its GDP the deadline is 2015. We are currently at 13% of GDP. The penalties are .1% of GDP. Ireland’s GDP is around 16000 mil. Basically we have to lower the debt or raise our GDP to avoid this 160 mil fine. This talk of we need another bailout or where will we get funds to me is head in the clouds material. We do not have a pot to piss is, have no more to give yet they think more austerity measures or mini budgets will be the answer to lower the % to 3. We need to borrow money just listen to the BS. Come on people we need to wake up this is a scam to bleed the people dry and steal our natural resources.

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  • Well I’m pretty sure I’m even more confused. Will there be an ‘I don’t know’ option in this referendum?

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  • So Ireland should become the national equivalent of a sponger. A permanent ward of the European superstate because it’s leaders cannot manage their own profligacy.
    The US slipped into recession in 1920. The US government cut spending from 18.4 billion to $6.5 billion in 1921. While the Fed put up interest rates. This ended America’s, now, forgotten depression.
    http://www.thefreemanonline.org/features/the-depression-youve-never-heard-of-1920-1921/

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    • Handy for America that deflation was running at 36% in 1920 and unemployment climbed to a meagre 8.6%. Unlike the U.S in 1920 we also look after our sick, poor and those with disabilities. Totally different examples with nothing to be gleaned from it.

      I’ll be voting No on the fiscal compact

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    • Peter 26/04/12 #

      @Sean I agree with what you say here and do know about the 1920 crash also it can be considered that the cuts taken after ww2 caused a boom.. But which way are you voting ? (you must be a Ron Pualer)

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    • G I’ll be voting no for the same reason as Cormac Lucey.
      “If our tax-raising capacity has been permanently and significantly reduced, isn’t it time that state spending was permanently and significantly reduced too? Government receipts (including social insurance) are expected to be around €50 billion this year, down 17% from their level in 2007. Gross government spending is expected to be €70 billion, up 12% from its 2007 level (with only half of that increase due to increased social spending following increased unemployment). Our national solvency is being held hostage by a public sector which has yet to adjust to Ireland’s permanently reduced circumstances. 

      Allowing Ireland access to the ESM cookie jar from 2014 onwards would only give the public sector another excuse to delay its long-overdue adjustment to reality. If we haven’t fixed this by 2014 it’s not more financial methadone Ireland’s public sector will need, it will be financial cold turkey.”
      Cormac Lucey

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    • Peter, I’ll be voting no.
      Your point about the post-war cuts is well made. The US boomed despite massive cuts in spending and over one million personnel demobilised from the US armed forces.

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    • Sean thanks for the quote from Cormac Lucey and I’m with you both on this one. I also believe that even if we had no recourse to funding then we would have no choice but to cut spending and this can only be a good thing. If this is a way to make that happen then No it is. thanks also to michael taft for informative article here.

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    • Correction, 10 million US troops demobilised.

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  • iBob101 26/04/12 #

    So in summary (1) if we vote no and (2) we can’t get back to market funding and (3) the troika refuse to extend the current bailout then (4) the EU will unanimously allow us direct access to the ESFS? Hello?

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  • Vote yes and we are heading closer to a one world government and then we are really in slavery,vote no and we still have a small chance of FREEDOM.

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  • the long and the short if it us we have to vote yes. otherwise enda and the gang will look foolish in front if their euro chums and enda might not become president of the Euro council next year when it is Ireland’s turn to take over. enda and his condescending gang along with their cheerleaders know more that the silly little people of this country.

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  • See? We’ll be grand!

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  • Can someone please tell me the total amount paid out to bank bond holders by this state to date and in addition how much is due to be paid in future. I’ve been googling around trying to piece this information together with no luck. I think this is an important piece of information to anyone considering voting in this upcoming referendum.
    Simply put, the article above propositions how bailout funding might be channelled through various mechanisms – fair enough. It’s fine to figure out where the water will come from to fill leaky bucket, but it would be useful to know how big the hole is.
    I don’t want to be told (yet again!) that 74 euro in every 100 is going towards SW and PS pay, or how public infrastructure and society will collapse if we default. I just want to know how much is to be paid out and how much is available to augment the public deficit.
    Government reciepts – 50 billion this year. Government spending 70 billion this year. That’s clear enough
    Now this: Total bailout funds available: ? Total bond payments past and present, secured and unsecured: ?

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    • Last para. should read:
      ”Now this: Total bailout funds available: ? Total bond payments past, present and future (secured and unsecured): ?”

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    • John Anglo and Irish Nationwide contribution is as follows.

      Anglo promissory note €3.1 billion per annum currently €28 billion outstanding on that note. All to be repaid over 20 years with the final repayment in 2031 Total payments of capital and interest will be €47.9 billion by then.

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    • Thanks for that Kerry.
      This is an extract from an Irish Times article on a 3.1 bn. payout on those promissory notes last March:

      ”The €3.1 billion cash payment is due under the promissory notes, the State IOUs provided to Anglo and Irish Nationwide under which the Government promised to provide €31 billion of their €35 billion bailout spread out over time.” http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2012/0322/1224313704022.html

      ”Over time”!! Thank you for clearing up that bit and it’s cumulative cost!

      And then of course there’s AIB, recapitalized to the tune of 20.7 bn. and a payout of 1.5 bn. gone out this month!

      These payouts seem to be unscheduled, unpredictable and badly reported on as I have illustrated above. Apart from a bit of orchestrated indignation by a few ‘lefties’ in the Dail, they seem like rogue hits from an asteroid!

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  • So basically the options are to pass the compact and enforce austerity with European funding and be part of Europe OR
    To apply for another type of European funding and to enter austerity outside of the compact deal. Basically if we sign up for the compact we have breathing space until 2018\2019 while if we don’t we have to implement the changes straight away.
    Either which way our prospects are fairly bleak so?
    Ps if we have to apply for just IMF (on their own) funding that is a whole different kettle of fish as they are ten times worse than the European union!

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  • one of the central planks of the above article that the EFSF will remain available is highly questionable. It’s contingent on our government admitting prior to June 2013 that a bailout is needed, something based on part experience is unlikely to happen. The article also seems to suggest that even if we vote no that because we would be rolling over facilities we could some how get access to the ESM strand of finding. Maybe so but the negotiations I would venture would be long and hard and the price would high, too high even. With the FC there is certainty albeit a difficult one. I think David Begg has called it correctly. Also the economists that SF have selectively quoted have if you were to read their comments in full also called correctly.

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  • Fair play to you joe,a man speaking the truth.Ireland should leave the euro as soon as possible.Ireland would be a rich wee island if we did leave the gangsters in europe and stood on its own two feet,kick them brits out too,they are the main cause of all this bother.

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  • I love these clowns talking about Ireland being a “sponger” Since when were we NOT spongers??? Tell me that you morons, since the day we went into the EEC Not the EU then but an ECONOMIC COMMUNITY, a wonderful idea and one with great hopes and potential, but that was before they dropped the hammer and insisted that it had to be the UNITED STATES OF EUROPE or nothing,and we would have to surrender our currency, our national Identity, and cease teaching non PC subjects that reminded us of where we came from and who we were, stopping the teaching of our history in the schools so we wont offend those of the PC persuasion, like the Rising and our long battle for independence, which was sold by King Bertie and his crooks for what exactly?? Since the day we went into the thing we had every successive “gov” plead “Ireland’s special case” so that we could have the benefits without the responsibility. We were and are the beggars of Europe, and Adolph Merckel owns that traitor Kenny and his nest of traitors as surely as if she had stamped her name on his ass. It is obvious you are employed, have a nice house and a nice car? How would you feel in the morning if the job was lost, and the very roof over your head threatened? That’s what the majority of people are looking at, and the poxy € is like a concrete block around our necks dragging us down. I have worked all my life, paid taxes all my life for what? To let idiots make stupid statements about a Country they have no love or respect for and have never made any kind of contribution to other than the taxes they pay? Who are quite willing to bend the knee to Adolph and her rats, as well as our home grown rats? Who has no consideration love nor respect for anyone except themselves, like all today’s generation? Lets see if you pontificate about the garbage the same when you are out of work and disabled and find the State treats you like crap the same as the rest of us poor old fools.

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