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Column: Why is it cringeworthy to get behind a cause?

There seems to be a trend towards stigmatising protesters, writes TheJournal.ie columnist Lisa McInerney. What are we afraid of? The Bono effect?

Lisa McInerney

THE KONY2012 CAMPAIGN exploded over the Irish corner of the internet last Wednesday morning. I’d gone to bed with feeds full of Mass Effect 3 and Jonathan Franzen, and woken up to reams of Kony2012 links, embedded videos, and passionate status updates.

Must be powerful stuff, I decided, so I watched the video. It’s a beautifully made, very earnest film, and as a campaign with the primary goal of raising awareness of war criminals and child soldiers in Central Africa, it does its job effectively. There’s no doubt that it’s propaganda. The fundamentals of the campaign reflect its makers’ desire to elicit an emotional response from their audience, and no sooner had this emotional response been triggered than the peer-sneer began.

Look at you and your Kony 2012 slogans, said the more worldly amongst us. Easy capture your imagination, isn’t it? Part-time activist simpleton. Even this more haphazard approach had a goal: to make people feel ashamed of their naive, possibly fleeting desire to make the world a better place.

I’m not talking about legitimate criticism and valid deconstruction of the Invisible Children charity and their Kony2012 campaign, which was undoubtedly necessary. It was telling that before I’d read the first of these analyses, I’d seen parody slogans and jpegs designed to poke fun at the first-world sincerity that inspired so many to join the Kony2012 campaign. Had half of my social network stripped the facts from Kony2012 before I’d even realised there was a problem? Nope. They were just giggling at the do-gooders.

There’s a lot of this going on in the last week. As well as the Kony2012 phenomenon, we’ve celebrated International Women’s Day, and seen the dismantling of the Occupy Dame Street camp. Both events have garnered their share of snarking and sniping.

Otherwise sane people questioned the need for a day for women, assuming, perhaps, that if the girl-next-door seemed healthy and happy, gender-based inequality is already well on the road to obliteration. How can a gender warrant its own day? gasped some, as if the cold realities of first-world sexism and developing world torment are but morality plays dreamed up by a bunch of privileged Barbies (and yes, fellas, there is an International Men’s Day).

Is it that we’re all afraid of the Bono effect?

The removal of the Occupy protesters from the Dame Street site was met with as much glee as it was with discussion on the nature of the demonstration. That protest camp was an eyesore, said some; those protesters should have been contributing to the economy instead of sitting on their bums smoking dubious cigarettes. Not all peaceful protest is pretty, though, and not all protesters are dreadlocked, professional miscreants. If we were less likely to pigeonhole and lampoon protesters, there’d be more variety again.

We seem rather too keen on stigmatising protesters and belittling their crusades. I’m quite stumped as to why, really. Is it that we’re all afraid of the Bono effect? That if we are seen to care about those less fortunate, we’ll be scorned for being naive, our new-found global conscience simultaneously too white and too green? I’m going to be very controversial here and ask what’s so awful about Bono anyway?

Criticism of his hypocritical tax-savvy aside, calling attention to the first world’s duty to the developing world surely does far more good than harm. Or have I missed the memo about inaction being the most ethical action of them all?

Action, inaction. In terms of tackling state or financial corruption – the aim of the Occupy movement, as well as many others here in Ireland – we are not only able to get involved, but the duty to instigate change is ours alone. It doesn’t really suit anyone when they loftily detach themselves from issues that are directly affecting their communities; that kind of cynical disengagement is just as tiresome as any soapbox preacher.

In terms of issues that affect the developing world, there’s not a whole lot many of us can do, logically, to help our chosen causes. Throwing money at many international problems is like throwing tenners off a cliff: none of it goes where you want it to, and plenty of it ends right back on the same solid ground you pitched from.

Sneer all you like but at least forwarding an online petition indicates a desire to make the world a better place

I can see why people are sceptical about others’ interest in misery overseas. The applicable idioms come thick and fast – Charity begins at home, Teach a man to fish – but that third world misery is complex, and solutions cannot be wholly provided by first-world do-gooders, doesn’t negate the fact that people actually do care about these things.

Whether or not they’re in a position to help, whether or not their interest is all-too-fleeting, people should not be made feel like morons because they’re empathic towards the plight of people they’ll never meet. Sneer all you like, but at least retweeting a link, or forwarding an online petition, is indicative of a desire to make the world a better place. I have no problem with that.

I haven’t always been so pragmatic about remonstrative sentiment. I’m certainly not immune to rolling my eyes when I see 17 tweets in a row about the very latest fashionable cause. Nor am I immune to responding with contempt – how many of us sighed loud enough to wake the kraken when we received yet another email petition about the impending release of Jamie Bulger’s killers (who were released a decade ago)? Yes, sometimes the constant barrage of well-meaning links and petitions and pleas is incredibly irritating; the fact that there’s a barrage at all means that hitting FWD is an easy way to assuage the guilt of privilege.

That said, one can correct a friend’s misguided campaign without shaming them for being interested in the first place. It shouldn’t be cringeworthy just to get behind a cause, be it a political march, an online petition, or even a shared video. What’s so terrible about loudly questioning the status quo, or trying to interest potential allies in your cause?

Can’t we enact an amnesty for do-gooders?

Perhaps it’s anger, guilt because you believe you’re not doing enough to combat injustice, and you don’t need to be reminded of it. Perhaps it’s an innate mistrust of those who ask questions and dig for details and highlight ways they think our society can improve; fear of nosy people, fear of the damage a man on a mission can do, a hangover from occupation or church domination. Perhaps we’re just lazy and are afraid people will notice if we don’t immediately deflect attention.

Perhaps we’re just mean. Perhaps we genuinely think it a weakness when our friends proffer a complimentary opinion on the Shell To Sea campaign, or ask if we’d sign a petition to safeguard LGTB rights in Russia. Perhaps we intend to continue doing nothing because it doesn’t bother us that evil might triumph. I hope not.

With that, can’t we enact amnesty for do-gooders? Because I can think of at least one thing worse than suffering a deluge of heartfelt philanthropy: being shot down and sneered at every time you stick your head above the parapet of your crumbling, ivory tower.

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Comments (60 Comments)

  • I lived in Uganda for a year and a half 10 years ago. I would be more inclined to trust sources on the ground there who say kony has left the country and his dwindling team are in neighbouring Sudan or the Congo. The trouble with the Kony12 campaign was that some people made about sending in more American crack troops. The problem is more about unequality and Western interference which has made the area a war zone in the first place. The aid industry by encouraging arm chair sympathy to further their own financial gains does not help.

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  • @Oisin. I agree with you but I do also think it would be a bonus if at least a small percentage of people who sign petitions would do their own research to get a deeper insight into some of the world’s plights.

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  • Excellent article. I’ve been having this debate with people myself.we like to pigeon hole people and label them hippies and leftys whenever individuals stand up for what is right.perhaps we should look at the French model where protesters are protected and supported by law(but don’t go as far as them as they’d protest about the weather if they could!!). this backward FF bogger attitude of “stupid leftys” is getting old and is borne out of ignorance.yes often actions such as the Occupy Dame St do have a hippy element but the basic premise and point of the protest should not be therefore attacked (unless I’m missing something and the cheating scum bankers etc should be entitled to get away with all they’ve done,which they will as we never question or protest). I remember hearing people slag the protesters on Shannon airport. There were teachers,solicitors and other professionals in the midst of the protest. We need to move away from this stigma which has been created cleverly by successive ignorant uneducated governments as an inherent defence mechanism against protests. Just like the ridiculous private/public sector sniping (we all were guilty of doing SFA!!). (And before I get accused of being a lefty hippy, I’m I’m the most right wing job one can get in this country…!)grow up Ireland and grow some balls

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    • “we like to pigeon hole people and label them”…..”backward FF bogger ” Class!

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    • I went to a number of protests in Dublin and every time I felt sorry that I went to it afterwards. For the most part it involved people that I wouldn’t even take seriously, let alone the people that can actually do something. I felt like none of the marches represented the good spread of the people that are actually effected by the cuts and job losses but was mostly made up of what I see as PROtesters.

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  • Maybe I’m getting more cynical as I get older but as someone who spent the majority of her teenage years and early twenties protesting, attending rallies all over the UK and believing in the power of protest, I really have begun to see the point in it all. And I think this sense of futility and pointlessness contributes to how protesting can be seen as “cringeworthy” by many. I think protests lost some of their shine when nothing actually happened or changed in their wake. Case in point, the War on Iraq… hundreds of thousands of people protested against that war and still the governments did exactly what they were going to go all along.

    Personally, I would call the Occupy momement “cringeworthy”, without a shadow of a doubt. I was in NYC when the Wall Street movement started and given the lack of health care, care for homeless/mentally ill people and minimal benefits system that the US offers people who are down and out, I could understand why a movement like OWS came about. Especially given that the protesters occupied Wall Street – giving them a symbolic stance also. Then as time went on and the movement grew, the Occupy protesters began to believe themselves to be the only people out there “discussing issues”… with an intellectual and moral superiority that isolated many. It’s at this point that protesting movements can be seen as “cringeworthy”. You see on the news, people standing in Dame Street or wherever, spouting off about the injustices of the world, the price of a weekly shopping – and it’s totally cringeworthy. The whole idea of the Occupy movement has been hi-jacked by a bunch of people who, as Chuck above says: “Who are they to declare they are the 99% and are my voice on every issue they come across? And what solutions did they propose? You can’t just build a shanty town in protest at the status quo. That’s not protesting, it’s squatting. I don’t want that done in my name.”

    The Occupy movement is not the voice of the 99%, they’ve just assumed they are and that those who disagree are too stupid or middle-class to understand. The principle of that movement has been skewed into a variety of other mini-issues. Much like the anti War on Iraq marches in 2002-onwards – over a short period of time, these protests became intertwined with the Socialist Worker Party – SWP posters, petitions, speakers, etc. Isolating the original mass people who felt the need to protest by forcing other (generally leftist) issues as a secondary ticket.

    I write this as a person who has been to many protests, as someone who holds generally leftist beliefs, so this is not some kind of tirade against the left. But the reasoning here really is – because protests are hi-jacked away from the original principle – they can quickly become cringeworthy. People will not have other views shoved down their throats. In Belfast the bank the Occupy members have occupied is going to be turned into a coffee shop “for the community”. I couldn’t believe this when I heard it – incredulous and embarrassed! That these Occupy workers have illegally taken over a building, pay no rates etc, and want to set up a coffee shop in a prime location in Belfast – therefore taking away business form other coffee shop owners in perhaps a worse location, but they pay their taxes, bills, rates… it’s mortifyingly stupid. And the Occupy members say it’s “for the community”. Sure thing, for the community – as long as you support anarchism, socialism and any other popular -ism going at the minute. Now *that’s* what I call cringeworthy.

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    • Good stuff Maeve, well written, articulate and a point of view from someone who has been there. Personally, I’m not a fan of protests like occupy which are vehemently against one thing without being “for” anything else.

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    • I think you’re making generalisations and assumptions here. To make a more accurate generalisation; the problem is that the general Irish public are rather conservative, and not very intelligent and aware when it comes to what’s actually happening to them(much like the Americans).

      When I hear rubbish about how views are being “Shoved down their throats” I just see a reactionary attitude.

      I don’t agree that Occupy isolated the masses at all. I think you’re just trying to rationalise why the Irish tend to distance themselves for protestors. This seems like well written post but it’s still falling back on what are essentially ad hominem arguments against the Occupiers.

      And conveniently the anti-Occupy crowd are the most useless wastes of space of all, instead of getting involved and making a difference, they just sit around taking pot shots.

      it really is cringeworthy.

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  • For me in regard to the Kony2012 campaign I admit I cringed a bit. But not at the people who posted the video, at the makers of the video. Because to me they’re the ones who should know better. I felt it presented misleading information and their white man will save the world approach is disempowering. I think it’s great it’s gotten people talking. But what’s the use in empathy if there’s no action that follows? I guess that would be my criticism. Perhaps you may think ‘well there’s very little I can do to help’. If you’ve been inspired by that video there are things you CAN do. Even in your own community. If it’s made you care about children’s rights, go and volunteer for a couple of hours a week for Childline etc. It not just about giving money or flying to Uganda to build houses. It’s wonderful that people care but if all you’ve done is retweet a link is there not something a bit superficial about that?

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  • Giggling at the do-gooders? I often find that the most pathetic of all giggles. Its fear of anything beyond pathetic mediocrity. The gigglers are quit simply unable to generate originality beyond sneering and poking fun. Bread into them and manifest in the cringe-worthy inaction you see in western society today. That and the “cause fatigue” Irish people seem to be saddled with. Not so much to do with the fabled “Bono” effect. That’s quite simply Tall poppy syndrome. It’s always easier to go with the flow and knock someone than get involved yourself. Standing up to most things takes a certain amount of courage and advocates of mediocrity do not possess this courage. They are usually the kind of folk who will correct your spelling before engaging in the point or begin sentences with “That’s just the way I am – I call it like I see it”. People need to learn that picking a side these days won’t lead to civil war if they get down off the fence. Even a dead fish can go with the flow. But most find security in a crowd of naysayers rather than take a chance and make an effort – drifting within aimlessness is MUCH easier.

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  • I think it’s unfair to label people to criticise campaigns of petitions with one-word labels like “lazy,” “mean,” or “sneering.” To me it suggests the other doesn’t believe people can analyse and make up their own minds about these things.

    I can’t comment on every protest and petition out there, but certainly in the case of the KONY2012 thing, I had serious problems with it from the outset, the first and foremost being that it seemed to be predicated on a misguided “white man’s guilt/ black man’s saviour” complex where a couple of middle-class white guys took it upon themselves to meddle in the affairs of another country, and in doing so thereby perpetuating the notion that all black Africans are helpless victims unable to sort out their own problems and Westerners are always necessary to help them overcome the limitations of their own cultures.

    Secondly, the campaign presents a biased, one-dimensional and simplistic view of the problems caused by Kony and his acolytes with equally one-dimensional and simplistic solutions.

    Thirdly, the idea of using an online viral marketing campaign to instigate military intervention in one country by the army of another seems profoundly sinister, don’t you think?

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  • In my opinion, The main reason people cringe, including myself, is not because it seems naive. But because alot of the time, the people don’t really care. It dishonest. They either want to be part of it to suit their image or they just simply want to releave their 2 minute guilt in between watching tv and having their dinner.

    You gonna forward a link and express huge discontent? Well then donate.

    You gonna protest outside dame street for months and months about there being no opportunies? Well then come up with an idea, it can be simple and unoriginal, call into your local partnership /enterprise board and discuss setting up a business and change the world that way. Stop expecting others to change the world while you while you get stoned outside a bank.

    You wanna get real aid to people in gaza? well then stop setting yourself up as an attention seeker and purposely getting arrested. Also, take a look around, there are alot of places suffering far worse than gaza, i guess they’re just not as interesting.

    That said im not fond of your other examples, getting petitions signed for lgtb rights is effective and no one cringes at that.
    Shell to sea is a bad example because there are 2 sides to it.
    I remember protesting fianna fail and the bailout, and shell to sea ended up hogging the protest. Then I began to cringe.

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    • Well said Adrian, there are lots of cases of Charity work close to home that would love support. Look at “The Secret Millionaire” and the amount of small local charities that are in areas that are crying out for support. And you sure as hell don’t have to be a millionaire (secret or not) just offer some time and assistance.

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    • random 12/03/12 #

      It’s hard to see how anybody could demonstrate to you that they “really care” about a cause, given what you’ve said. Maybe you should focus less on people’s intentions and more on steering people towards achieving results.

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    • @random, in fairness, my post was directed at what the articles about, if it was about “how do we encourage people to to contribute more to causes”, I wouldnt be bringing up any of the stuff I said there.

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    • Forwarding links and expressing discontent is awareness raising and information spreading. Education is the first step for anyone to become an activist on an issue themselves – and start lobbying their TDs/MEPs/Councillors for political action.
      Many passionate activists have educated me over the years. Do you think some people sneer at those who are passionate and invested out of guilt at their own inaction? Or do they really think everyone else but them is naive and shallow? It’s enough the make you lose the will to go on. :|

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  • Where to start with this article? The author admits herself to being irritated by ill-informed petitions and tweets but says that criticising them amounts to “shaming” people? What does that even mean?

    As for the issues raised. Occupy Dame St got on a lot of people’s nerves because of one trait that runs through a lot of these protests; arrogance. At no point did they engage with the media in an effort to explain why they were building on private land. What was the protest about? Banks? Then why the signs about Fracking and SOPA? Who are they to declare they are the 99% and are my voice on every issue they come across? And what solutions did they propose? You can’t just build a shanty town in protest at the status quo. That’s not protesting, it’s squatting. I don’t want that done in my name.

    As for International Women’s Day, the author makes that cringeworthy connection between the problems of western women and third world women. As if the fact you aren’t a company director is somehow linked to a girl in Afghanistan having her nose cut off. This taking ownership of the real suffering of women in the third world to reassure yourself about how hard you have it is repulsive. Do you really think a man born in Bangladesh or Somalia is better off than an Irish woman? In fact, do you really think being born an Irish man makes life so much easier? Stop feeling so sorry for yourself

    Now the Kony2012 thing. The way that mushroomed and the way people suspended all critical faculties in the face of a sad story about children deserved to be derided. Anyone who takes their news from one source, takes it at face value and facilitates a request for money from their friends needs to be set straight

    Not all protests are met with derision or “shaming”. Has anyone rolled their eyes at the Vita Cortex workers? Did people laugh at the Liverpool dockers? Just because you bestow upon yourself the title “protestor” doesn’t make you immune to examination

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    • Well said @Chuck Farrelly!

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    • I think she was making the point that sexism against women really does exist, and not saying that first world women experience the same difficulties. In fact she took pains in her phrasing the distinguish between the two. A lot of people are uncomfortable imagining they have any inborn privileges, but it’s a fact of life in any society. Better to acknowledge it and see how others are disenfranchised rather than arrogantly burying your head in the sand because it doesn’t affect you personally.

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    • I mentioned Vita Cortex and the Liverpool Dockers, neither affects me personally. Get your head out of the sand and read the whole post

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    • “As for International Women’s Day, the author makes that cringeworthy connection between the problems of western women and third world women. As if the fact you aren’t a company director is somehow linked to a girl in Afghanistan having her nose cut off. This taking ownership of the real suffering of women in the third world to reassure yourself about how hard you have it is repulsive. Do you really think a man born in Bangladesh or Somalia is better off than an Irish woman? In fact, do you really think being born an Irish man makes life so much easier? Stop feeling so sorry for yourself” — I was replying to this portion of your post! :)

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    • “read the whole post”

      Read the whole post!

      To address what you said, she was querying the negative reaction to International Women’s Day in general. I was giving a reason for it.

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  • Regardless of intent, any meme related to Kony is doing exactly what the Kony campaign requested – to get his face out there. Any meme that big, is going to get piggybacked by funny versions, regardless of how worthy the original campaign. That’s the interwebs.

    I’m not convinced people doing funny kony gifs were mocking people who were supporting the campaign in more serious ways.

    I get your more general point outside of Kony, it’s easy to slag off Bono etc – but I don’t think funny Kony gifs is a result of people cringing at more worthy folk. They’re just having a laugh – but I don’t think it’s AT anyone.

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  • Seriously, in some jungle in Africa, a mass-murderer called Kony is DEVASTATED. A few million people on Facebook have unfriended him.

    And millions who’d never heard of Joseph Kony can relax, having advertised their goodness by clicking the share button on YouTube.

    Wow, and I thought the LiveEarth concerts – bopping to top bands while screaming at governments to save the planet – couldn’t be topped. That was “protest” too.

    This isn’t protest, it’s therapy, and it’s not praiseworthy, it’s ridiculous. And comparing this kind of crap to the Occupy people – who slept rough for five months, is just offensive.

    Occupy was ridiculous and achieved nothing, but it deserves credit for committment to a cause, and for being a real protest. Comparing it to some hipster jackass clicking a link, when he couldn’t locate Uganda on a map, is just offensive.

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  • I have no time for people who moan about the worlds problems, but never do anything to help, eg even sign a petition.

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  • The people who find protest, demonstration or empathy with the oppressed “cringeworthy” are often people who simply do not want to be aligned with the losing side, almost as if losing might be contagious. Perhaps they think that by ridiculing those who take action, or by siding with the privileged minority, they too become “winners”. They don’t. They are nothing more than obedient foot soldiers protecting the positions of the powerful.

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  • denial is the root cause of it to be honest, people then turn nasty against protestors for making them feel bad for not doing anything themselves!

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  • Rob Ward 12/03/12 #

    The KONY video didn’t get made fun of because it was protesting something, or because it was trying to raise awareness. It got made fun of, and justly so, because it is a ‘designer injustice’ and because everyone knew that an online petition to end child warfare and apprehend a war criminal would ultimately amount to absolutely nothing. The irony is that the film actually did more harm than good–creating a whole lot of bad press and negative stigma for a country that is working to modernize and to elicit future investment, over a conflict that ended some time ago. The KONY ‘online protest’ is also ridiculously naive in failing to recognize the complexities of international politics by assuming that nation-states would violate the legal sovereingty of another nation-state at an online petition’s behest. It makes protesters look like they are protesting for the sake of it. Hence the sneer.

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  • Good heart-felt and well written article. Well done.

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  • The reason why most people don’t protest is because most protest is done by the far-left and is often perceived as being quite hostile and angry. Most Irish people are quite reserved in their politics. We don’t get up on our high horse about issues but that’s slowly changing. The internet is providing a great avenue for changing our mindsets. The recent activism surrounding Irish SOPA was a good example of this.

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    • Agree David. See you at the FG Árd Fheis protest on 31st March. Meeting at Garden of Remembrance at 1 pm and marching down to Conference Centre on the quays.

      I hope you’ll come outside and join us. ;)

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    • Hostile and angry against the swingeing cuts you endorse. People are angry because it’s a matter of life and death David. Not for you, modelling a new suit every week in your profile pic there.

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    • Any good protest is always hijacked by the far-left!

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    • Only trying to give my analysis here.

      I’m merely making the point that protest isn’t in our culture but that a change is taking place in that although it’s more focused on online causes as opposed to on the street protest.

      Most of the people on the streets now are motivated by their circumstances but before the crash came, most protest in Ireland was done by the small group of far-left activists who had no standard of living complaints themselves.

      I feel this has created a stigma around street protest that has now prevented people outraged by the crisis from coming out and showing their opposition.

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    • @David You appear to be confusing analysis and opinion.

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  • Palestinian people get abused and harassed every single day of the week yet we do not see mass campaigns condemning Israeli injustice, I could guarantee if I posted a video on Facebook pertaining to this issue less than 5% of my friends would share it. Yet with the Kony thing those who seem to be generally apathetic to politics in general all of a sudden become Geldofised.

    I wonder if Joseph Kony was planning on implementing a pro-Western Government would there be such cyber indignation. I am not blaming people for supporting Kony 2012, he is after all a horrendously evil man, but one must question the cynical selectivity that exists in the discourse of “righteousness” in today’s society.

    There is no categorical imperative when it comes to ethics in the world it seems, it is rather just the powerful deciding on the discourse that determines the populist position.

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    • I don’t think Kony 2012’s video is popular because it’s specific to Kony/Uganda. I believe what it boils down to is it’s good filmmaking, western characters (I think this is a big ingredient in its popularity), a story that tugs at the heart strings and a message that is basically ‘all you have to do is spread the word and you’ll be making a change’. I reckon it could as easily been about any other war criminal…as for Palestine not getting the same awareness, I suppose that’s partially because it’s a lot more controversial. Not everyone is on the same side so it’s harder to get the same mass appeal.

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  • I haven’t watched this video. But I have donated to invisible children a couple of times over the last couple of years. I wonder how many of these new ‘activists’ have visited their website after watching this video, let alone donated?
    Also a good question… How many actually know where Uganda is?
    http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0jolmyY9G1qdzl5qo1_500.jpg

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    • i dont think the end point of a chatities campaign is money, well and good if u have it to donate, their point is to high light some sort of human injustice or moral wrong committed by man on his fellow man that should be but isn’t acted on by goverments.

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  • The old-fashioned but accurate word for people who assume their moral judgement is better than others’ is “missionary”.

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  • Test yourself: Do you think people in general ought to be more engaged and activist? — Then you think people on the OTHER side — your opponents — ought to be more engaged and activist as well. But no one thinks that. So you’re not really in favour of activism per se, but in favour of your own side. So what else is new?

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    • A lot of the time, “the other side” is apathy. So, yes, the point is for everyone to be more engaged.

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    • Straw man… trollers gonna troll

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    • Jeremy. I fear it has been lost on you that you’ve commented on this thread a few times now with a view to making people feel like you do. LOL :D

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    • Very often, not being engaged with an issue is a sign of tolerance. For example, I favour gay marriage and think gay people ought to be left to live their lives just like everyone else. Is that “apathy” on my part? Cardinal O’Brien (the homophobe who opposes gay marriage in the UK) would call it “apathy”.

      My point is, what we call “apathy” (bad) or “tolerance” (good) depends on which side we’re on.

      There isn’t enough genuine scepticism around, especially scepticism about our OWN moral and political judgement. We all think that we — me! — are uniquely gifted to make moral judgements. But we can’t all be right, can we? Much better if we retain a sense of due modesty about our own abilities, live and let live as much as possible. By all means let’s try to persuade each other of our opinions through rational argument, but going further than that by overruling other people’s judgements by silencing them or acting against them by force is intolerant and parochial.

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    • The fact you have an opinion on gay marriage leads me to conclude you aren’t apathetic. If the status quo continues indefinitely where gay people are denied the right to marry, then your “apathy” could be taken the other way i.e. you do not care about the denial of rights to others. If that is true then you are apathetic as you do not care either way.

      I agree with you on subjective morality however. People need to question why they hold certain positions more and be more sceptical.

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  • It’s cringeworthy to be an activist if you are not yourself affected, because it’s a sign of insufficient scepticism about one’s own judgement, and it goes hand-in-hand with intolerance. Activism is narcissism.

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  • Am I right in thinking that there have been questions raised about the Bono/Geldolf school of giving? Are poor countries accceding to the prIvatisation of their natural resources and infrastructure in order to get financial support mediated by B/G?. If that is the case who is profiting?

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  • I don’t have a lot of time for the bandwagoning Kony “activists” and how the campaign has been treated but it’s not grounds to act all superior.

    I strongly agree with the overall message but unfortunately it’s directed all too much at the average thejournal.ie commentator.

    There is no way to describe my ire towards the smartass armchair conservatives taking snipes at the occupy movement. But I really believe many of them are scumbags and truly the problem with our country, the stupid fucking paddy man attitude that got us into the mess we’re in.

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