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'I was resigned to the fact that I would fail foundation maths'
Sarah O’Hara did not get a university place after she failed to get the maths grade needed. But she did a PLC course and ultimately got into the course she wanted.
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“THE THOUGHTS OF the Leaving Cert results tomorrow. Is it too late to light candles?!”
This was what I tweeted on the 14 August 2014, accompanied by a few emojis summing up my feelings of anticipation and dread.
I was not alone. I saw hundreds of other tweets from anxious students fretting over their grades in subjects like maths, science and business.
A lot of students don’t know until August whether their efforts were good enough. But for me, I knew what I was facing the second I walked out of my maths paper two exam.
Resignation
I was feeling resigned to the fact that I had failed foundation level maths. Maths was the only subject I struggled with since I was in junior infants. I had zero comprehension of the subject growing up so I always knew I would be massively restricted when it came to college choices.
Filling out the CAO, I only knew of one course I wanted to put down on my list above all else – event management with PR in GMIT. It required a B2 in foundation maths.
Although I instinctively knew I would not achieve that grade, I put it down out of mere obligation. I should not have filled out my CAO form that year, but I got caught up in the hype.
Missing out on the course
Come results day, I remember going into the school at 11am. I did this as I knew the majority of students would have arrived at 9.30am. I did not want to be asked the “what did you get?” question.
I opened that iconic envelope in the car. My first reaction was relief – I had not failed maths. But then realised just what my grade meant. I had achieved a D2, not even close to my target.
Come CAO day, it was confirmed what I’d known since leaving the exam hall in June – I wasn’t offered my first choice. I was offered a place at another college. I accepted it before ultimately deciding it wasn’t what I really wanted.
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The right choice
I was at a crossroads. I looked up PLC (post-leaving cert) courses and discovered Galway Technical Institute. I was impressed by the contents of the business studies course and decided to go for an interview.
I began the course in September 2014, and I knew instantly on the first day that I’d made the right choice. I can say with certainty that the PLC course helped me tremendously. I became so much more confident.
For the first time, I felt like I could make sense of mathematical figures. My tutor was a godsend and infinitely patient with me.
The course intensely prepared us for college. We were given assignments every few weeks, including oral presentations. I met so many new people and had a blast.
You have options
I received a letter that summer informing me that I had got a place in GMIT. My reaction was very different to the one I had in August the previous year – sheer joy.
Did I get the one grade I desperately needed in the leaving cert? No. Am I now doing the course I initially wanted? Yes. I’ve just finished up my first year in GMIT.
In fact, I’m glad I wasn’t offered it in 2014. Maybe my grade at the time was a blessing in disguise.
To all those students who opened your results a few weeks ago and felt nothing but sheer disappointment about your grade – I was once that person. Do not let a letter and a number on an exam page define you. You have options.
Maybe, like me, the PLC will be the route for you. Research accredited FETAC colleges; they offer a wide range of courses, from business studies to nursing. Don’t worry if you failed maths. Colleges just want to see enthusiastic people who are prepared to work hard.
You might decide to take a year out from studying. After a year has passed, think again about what you’d like to do in college. If you still have your heart set on the same course, email the PLC course coordinators and ask questions. In a year’s time you’ll be packing your bags for college, knowing it was all worth it.
I won’t lie; there are maths aspects of my course that I do struggle with, and I will for the duration of it. But I’m working my way through it because ultimately my degree will get me my dream job.
Everything worked out for me eventually, and I guarantee that if you want your dream course badly enough, it will for you too.
Sarah O’Hara is studying event management and PR in GMIT.
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In fairness to them , it has a lot to do with their tv/media . I spent a summer over there in ’97 and the only foreign news in 3 months was Diana’s death and Hong Kong changing hands . Largely I find the Americans an extremely welcoming and generous people .
They are right…the sun revolves around a galactic center therefore the earth has a spiral trajectory around the sun. The earth does not “circle” the sun…… I am just saying.
I was in Montana a few years ago. In a bar having a few beers with family.
Man at the bar asked us where we were from, we said we were from Ireland.
He asked us which state it was in.
True story.
The ‘geographic ignorance’ shibboleth does annoy me a bit. The US itself is vast, over a third of a billion people, with 50 states and all their capitals and physical features, not to mention its neighbouring countries. Most Americans tend to have a very good grasp on this huge spread of geography, better than most Irish people would have of the only 28 states of the EU. That they don’t know much about Ireland, an economically and militarily unimportant island that wouldn’t break into the top half of US states in terms of population and is barely the size of South Carolina, is hardly a cause for laughter.
There are 2 towns in the US called Ireland. One is in Indiana and the other is in Indiana. There’s also a Dublin in California, which has at times prompted me to say Dublin, Ireland when people ask me where I’m from.
Ireland is a but a flea on the earth’s arse no different than a paddy meeting someone from Laos and being unable to point it out on a map.
I call shenanigans on the alleged survey. I’d like to see more data on it, the sample pool and what criteria rendered data invalid.
Most Americans don’t have a passport and have never traveled outside the US. As noted above, it’s a vast country…6 hour flight from coast to coast…but that doesn’t excuse the failing educational standards. We spend more on education than any other country in the world, but the curriculum has been so polluted by political correctness and progressivism that we’ve come to this. The problems are particularly acute in the largest cities…where progressives have ruled the roost for decades or longer…
Paris, France or Paris Texas ? Moral of story is that a lot of European place names were used in naming places in the US. Plus it isnt really that surprising that in a huge country of over 300 million, that some people would not have the name of a tiny eunropean country at the top of their minds.
Could have been Ireland, Indiana. A small village just north of Jasper, Indiana : Had only 1 Bar called ‘The Chicken Place’ serving only .. You guessed it .. Chicken. Had beers with a couple of lads from Glasnevin there in 1997 !!
While I concede that there are far more fatties in Ireland now than let’s say 20 years ago, we still have a long way to go to match our American cousins. If you doubt me take a trip to some of the southern states. Eye opener…..
Now let’s all remind ourselves how intelligent we are at electing morons like Ahern, Cowen, Lowry & co, rewarding corruption, creating an insane property bubble, blaming the Germans and drowning our sorrows with one of the worst alcohol problems in Europe.
Noel why oh why oh why did you have to bring this back to Irish politics.youre living in a bubble man think of something else.so annoying people bringing every article on this site back to Irish politics
Christ, imagine how dumb and drunk irishamericans are. Grow up people and stop all this stereotyping. America has its fair quota of highly intelligent people. I once even saw a sober Irishman.
With 57 per cent if the irish adult population considered over weight of which 18per cent considered obese. Our figures are risibg year in year. In 5 years, we will have similar figures to america. Glass houses and stones! !
Easy to get a misleading sample with 2,200 people in a population of 300 million! I could make the country look like geniuses with a well picked sample of that size!
“Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.”
- Bush 2004
There’s an old saying in Tennessee — I know it’s in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can’t get fooled again.” Good man George
‘Sitting on the sidelines, cribbing and moaning is a lost opportunity. I don’t know how people who engage in that don’t commit suicide because frankly the only thing that motivates me is being able to actively change something’.
-Bertie Ahern
@ Dave Fingelton: Perhaps this lack of knowledge led them into the great error of bombing the shit out of Iraq instead of Saudi Arabia where the so called perpetrators and funders of 9/11 originated ? After all both countries are in that “Region”
Shocking as the statistics are, do you think maybe the fact that the people carrying it out depend on the results to be bad to get better funding may have affected how it was conducted?
The Church still doing it’s best to keep us in the dark ages. Doesn’t help that some states prevent the education of evolution and allow the teaching of creationism, one of which has overwhelming evidence gathered for over a hundred years and the other of which is completely fabricated.
The creationist rabble in America maintain catholics are not christian because they accept evolution as the big fat fact it is, it should also be noted that these idiots who insist on pushing their 6000 year old earth created by magic in 7 days into education are also climate change deniers…they are dangerous people propagating ignorance with their pseudoscientific nonsense.
Evolution is not actually a fact it is still maintained as a theory, albeit a very plausible one with a lot of very supportive evidence. But it is still a theory like the origins of the universe. Personally I’ll wait for fact before making my decision, which I do more expect to come from the sciencey side tbh, they seem to be putting more work into it.. Until then I’ll sit on this lovely fence watching the people on either side go by.
Absolutely I agree. Gravity is still a theory as it’s origins are still unknown, same as evolution or the origin of the universe. Before you scoff at what I just said please realise I am just stating the real facts that the science explanation is still an unproven theory, just like creationism idea is probably just bollox.
Stephen. It is not a fact. Even high level advocates of it like Dawkins would not consider it fact. He does consider it the only plausible explanation however based on the evidence. Creationism is fact for those who accept the bible as fact. Science is about finding the truth and should not be accepted so blindly either
Ahhh Johnny, you’re coming across like one of them bible thumping creationists who pathetically try to use their misrepresentation of the sciences of geology, cosmology and evolutionary studies to debunk actual geology, cosmology and evolution.
It’s both hilarious and frustrating.
Their pseudoscience teachings suggest offering literal reading of genesis as an alternative to actual science with the battle cry of…”it’s only a theory”… maintaining wilful ignorance to the difference between scientific theory and laymans definition. .ie – a hunch.
Hi dermot. I’m not sure of your background so i wont make assumptions but I have a background in physics, have also studied geology at 3rd level and I do not conform to any religious belief. so I definitely am not a creationist nor am i misrepresenting the sciences.
What you are doing by accepting scientific theory as fact IMO is no better than the creationists blind acceptance of the scripture. Can I ask are you a scientist or do you consider yourself an atheist or both?
To be fair you cannot know for sure that during the 7 days it took to create the world that God didn’t bury some fossils and make it look like the earth has been here for a lot longer.
Nor can you know that God didn’t accelerate time so that each day was the equivalent of a billion years.
We still have no idea how consciousness works, absolutely none. So let’s not be too sure of the creationists being wrong.
No matter is solid, it is comprised of subatomic particles that are 99.99999% empty. The world you perceive is simply what your senses interpret. Distance may be an illusion.
Johnny I can see that you are promoting the idea that science is based on falsification and scepticism. I think what other commenters may be concerned by is that you imply that Young Earth Creationism and the Theory of Evolution are almost on a par. Perhaps your not saying that but your earlier comments have implied that
Johhny…you’re back in the creationist zone again with the questioning of my credentials, you do not need a phd in science to understand science no more than you need to be an author to appreciate a good book, I’m not a scientist but I am scientifically literate as it’s a passion of mine especially cosmology.
My rebuttal was to your “it’s only a theory” comment, it’s a seriously fallacious statement and a recurring retort from those who see science as an enemy of their faith and use this as way to push the supernatural creation myth.
I am an atheist but I don’t see why this is relevant, it’s true that the creation myth is based on religious grounds but my argument against it is not down to any anti theistic agenda I have, it’s more to do with influential people in America and elsewhere attempting to poison minds against real science, sowing seeds of doubt into our future scientists by saying evolution is merely a theory.. (laymans term)…abiogenesis studies is false and the formation of the entire universe was whispered into existence 6000 years ago.
Exactly. Kudos to you for the succinct comment. I wanted to simply put the guy down for his smug, willing ignorance. But you ( and Jenny below) were much kinder than I was willing to be. The problem with sitting on fences is the aquisition of splinters. Deservedly so, in the above case.
Dermot why do you continue to put me in the creationist camp? In my first comment I was merely correcting your use of the word fact over theory (to be honest this was me being a little pedantic more that anything else – like those grammar police I despise on here sometimes!). The rest of that comment as you have, I hope, read is by no means in favour of creationism, it is in favour of scientific theory as an explanation to our “existence” (can’t think of a more suitable/subtle way of putting it but I’m sure you know what I mean). Also next comment I close by suggesting creationism “is probably just bollox” so it bemused me why you were judging me as such and also that I was misrepresenting science. This is the reason I offered a little of my background as a science graduate and non-religious (hence not in favour of creationist idea). Your comments seemed a little misguided which is why I asked for a little of your background to see what angle you were coming from. Never was I questioning your credentials however knowing you are an atheist was actually relevant to me as it supported my initial judgement of you based on your reactions. I have issue with atheism as IMO it uses science “fact” for its own agenda to debunk other views, but failing to see that the beauty of science is the often lack of pure fact giving reason for exploration. If we are to represent science then it should be for what it is and not as as part of any other agenda.
For those using the definition of theory argument let’s be clear I have only one definition of this. For me a theory is something that is generally accepted as correct by an individual or a group but is as yet not fully proven to be classed as fact. Doesn’t matter if it is science or otherwise. Creationism can also be classed as theory but thankfully supporters of the idea claim its fact which I like as it takes some of the rationality out of their argument. But atheists are often guilty of making similar mistakes with “scientific fact”. Like I said it’s not that simple which is what makes science interesting and so open to possibility. It’s about discovery, not proving someone else is wrong.
Finally before I run out of steam… Martin! I’m not sure if I should bother responding to you but I will. I admit to sitting on the fence as IMO it is the best place to see all sides of the issues equally. I consider it being open minded. All scientific discovery is made by people who question beliefs and facts. If you align yourself to any one side based on belief rather than before the facts are in front of you you risk loosing sight of the truth. If you think that’s such a bad thing then fine. It’s better than involving yourself in a debate where conflicting opinions are interesting and valid but making no contribution to that debate whatsoever.
OK One more and I hope people read these comments they took me so long to write on this bloody iPhone!
Last one for Micheal, Jenny and Paul. I avoided this gravity argument for a while but 3 warrants a reply I guess. To be clear in case you are not aware gravity is actually one of the most misunderstood forces in nature. For physicists it is one of the biggest stumbling blocks to the resolution of most other theories from cosmology to quantum physics and ultimately to the “grand unified theory” which is the holy grail for most theoretical physicists.
Yes it exists. We know that for a fact but that’s about all we know other than a nice equation from Newton that shows how celestial bodies respond to it. This existence is not enough for me to accept however I need explanation and I need fact. The mere existence of mankind is enough proof for the creationist theory supporters. This kind of simplistic approach I cannot understand and I do not think we should treat science so. That said we should also not be too quick to debunk the beliefs over others without these facts.
Johhny…I never suggested you were a creationist, I pointed out that you use the exact same arguments put forward by them.
I’m an atheist and of course that tends to lend cynicism to claims of theistic interposition regarding the universe, origins and evolution but if people chose to believe that then fine…keep it personal, I’ll maintain that creationism – regardless if it’s from the followers of the abrahamic desert sagas or believers in cosmic egg creation or life emerging from a celestial jug of sour milk is detrimental to the future for every facet of science.
Why would children bother learning science if they’re being told that everything that exists was magically created, that every mountain, every tree, every nerve ending and neutron in organic life was ordered into existence 6000 years ago.
I know plenty of religious people who think as I do, they understand how nonsensical and harmful such teachings are.
You’ve defended your point of view well Johnny. I’m afraid most Journal commenters prefer to hit with a comment, get some green thumbs and leave rather than have a nuanced debate.
Good at least a few saw the last few painstaking comments. Dermot we agree really just a little hung up on the little things I think we are both guilty of. I wasn’t really expecting it to turn into a debate but I’m glad it did. Need to learn to watch my wording however as I got some fall back from the sit on fence comment. Those who read my other comments I’m sure realise I’m not holding my breath for proof of creation on one side but merely reserving judgement on the scientific explanation until the facts speak for themselves. Until then I’ll enjoy the journey. I agree also we need to take care what we force children to believe and that religious teaching should not take over from science however religion is a huge part of the world we live in and it’s a good thing to learn about the beliefs of others and what makes people tick. I was brought up under the catholic ethos but I found it wasn’t for me. I don’t think that upbringing affected me in any negative way tho. And a little bit of magic is no harm anyway, it’s good for the imagination…
Kevin you are correct the journal comments is not a great place for debate like this but I like the fact that you can find a good diversity of view points on here. it was interesting anyway to hear some points of view on this topic as I find it fascinating and I’m glad a few of you checked back in. I hope we can do it again sometime, and maybe next time we might even have a few creationists in the mix to really get the fires burning!
In my day, we were taught that the earth orbited the sun in an elliptical orbit.
I had not realised that planetary science had discovery that the earth actually circles the sun! Could someone please reference the new science on this? Amazing!
An eclipse by its nature has a longer external path than a purely circular circumference and thus takes a longer time to go around , not circle around . And due to its orbit the sun exerts gravitational pull on the earth slowing the orbit on the closer paths to the sun and thus the speed of rotation is different as well . Plus there we are a blue speck in a vacuum probable in among the smaller worlds out there beside a massive gas ball of heat which could spit out heat and we’d be gone in a instant and then after all that we have humans beating the crap out of each other on this little rock we call,earth can’t we simply ………just get along
Have one thanks and its not mentioned. The Irish government do not recognise the term as well as the Irish people. I think its fair that a country can decide what its part of and what its not.
Since the vast majority of people do not work in the mapmaking industry, they don’t need to know inane facts like that. It’s a waste of brain capacity.
Im sitting here thinking americans are idiots. Typing it in on my i phone. Netflix paused on my dell laptop wondering how they can pull bin laden out of a cave all the while listening to angela merkel whisper to her friends the cheek of these americans to castigate the world for enriching uranium while they have 5000 nuclear bombs. Pure fools they must be
most cant point out their own state on a map.. i was asked while in new york yers ago did ireland have an education system!! so annoying that they think were backward when realy its them
There seems to be a big grey area( not grey matter) between the well educated Science folk(IT and engineering), and the rest right across America. Americans that work in tech are really on it, like their lives depended in it. Plus they work longer hours and take fewer holidays. It may be a stereotype that Americans are stupid, but that’s a broad generalisation.
We are lucky that our education system is not as politicised as that in the USA or as politically correct as that in the UK. You have interest groups with various agendas tugging at schools for their own ends and not for the good of the children.
Oh great let’s laugh at America for being stupid and not really read the article so well… But for those who do you will see the results are actually not so bad. It’s an average of just under 75%. I think you would find similar results here if you did something similar .
Is there any way to find the list of questions from the survey?
The Headline itself is very misleading. If you carried out the same survey in say Harvard you would most likely get 99% correct answers. Would you say that only 1% of all Americans are ignorant of of science? Alternatively You could conduct the survey in say the South Side of Chicago and it could turn out 99% wrong.
So as I have said to claim that 2200 people would be an accurate measure of the American peoples knowledge of of Science is frankly absurd.
Only 28% of Americans believe in Evolution.The evangelical conservative right wing extremists are waging a war against science in the USA.
What do you expect when nonsense is taught instead of scientific evidence?
A scary percentage of Americans believe the Earth is 6000years old.
A very high percentage believe in the Bible literally and if a major catastrophe happened in say NYC like a nuclear bomb or a natural disaster of extreme devastation.A large number of Americans would see it as a sign of judgement day and rejoice and celebrate due to indoctrinated faith.Now that is scary beyond comprehension.
You’ve got to hand it to Americans. They tend to excel in whatever their chosen path is. Be that rags or riches, fit or fat, smart or dumb. They don’t tend to do middle ground very well.
We Irish like to think we are more important than we actually are. Yeah that 1 in 4 stat about the sun is a bit funny but calling Americans thick is a bit rich. They ain’t half done bad for modern inventions, technology, medicine and putting a man on the moon for a thick nation.
Only about 10% of Americans have passports. You can infer from that that 90% do not know that other countries exist – apart from the constant references on FOX news to Iran, Iraq, Israel, Afghanistan and their old nemesis, Russia.
This is disappointing. The same study showed equally poor results from the E.U., China and Russia. If you were unaware of that, you’d be left with impression that Europe faired notably better. If you think 5% is a material difference, you’re wrong. This article is Racist by virtue of excluded context. Shame on the authors.
I hate America the land of the free. Yea we are definitely not free in europe or Australia or probably 80% of countries worldwide. They actually believe they are the freeest country in the world if that makes sense. Guantanamo. There knowledge of anything outside if their borders is scarily bad. Fox news headlines instead of mentioning the probably dozen troops killed today in the middle east let’s run kim kardashian pregnancy instead. I dispise them and there big Mac culture
don’t worry about the americans,,, sure enda Kenny believes the earth revolves around him, while labour think Irish people are stupid and revolve around a spiff of hash
A more appropriate study would be to find out how many Americans would know how to find out what way the Earth moves in relation to the sun, if they ever have a need to find out.
Sadly , I’m not surprised , considering that in the US , museums depicting mankind’s beginnings on this planet , according to the ‘word of God’ I.e the earth is about 7000 years old . The theory of evolution is nonsense at best and possibly even blasphemous etc etc .. are regularly visited by school children who are led to believe that what they are being told is absolute fact ! I mean ‘the Earth is the centre of the universe’ come on people .. everyone knows that !!! Jeez !
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Reports can be generated based on the combination of data sets (like user profiles, statistics, market research, analytics data) regarding your interactions and those of other users with advertising or (non-advertising) content to identify common characteristics (for instance, to determine which target audiences are more receptive to an ad campaign or to certain contents).
Develop and improve services 119 partners can use this purpose
Information about your activity on this service, such as your interaction with ads or content, can be very helpful to improve products and services and to build new products and services based on user interactions, the type of audience, etc. This specific purpose does not include the development or improvement of user profiles and identifiers.
Use limited data to select content 52 partners can use this purpose
Content presented to you on this service can be based on limited data, such as the website or app you are using, your non-precise location, your device type, or which content you are (or have been) interacting with (for example, to limit the number of times a video or an article is presented to you).
Use precise geolocation data 67 partners can use this special feature
With your acceptance, your precise location (within a radius of less than 500 metres) may be used in support of the purposes explained in this notice.
Actively scan device characteristics for identification 38 partners can use this special feature
With your acceptance, certain characteristics specific to your device might be requested and used to distinguish it from other devices (such as the installed fonts or plugins, the resolution of your screen) in support of the purposes explained in this notice.
Ensure security, prevent and detect fraud, and fix errors 126 partners can use this special purpose
Always Active
Your data can be used to monitor for and prevent unusual and possibly fraudulent activity (for example, regarding advertising, ad clicks by bots), and ensure systems and processes work properly and securely. It can also be used to correct any problems you, the publisher or the advertiser may encounter in the delivery of content and ads and in your interaction with them.
Deliver and present advertising and content 128 partners can use this special purpose
Always Active
Certain information (like an IP address or device capabilities) is used to ensure the technical compatibility of the content or advertising, and to facilitate the transmission of the content or ad to your device.
Match and combine data from other data sources 96 partners can use this feature
Always Active
Information about your activity on this service may be matched and combined with other information relating to you and originating from various sources (for instance your activity on a separate online service, your use of a loyalty card in-store, or your answers to a survey), in support of the purposes explained in this notice.
Link different devices 69 partners can use this feature
Always Active
In support of the purposes explained in this notice, your device might be considered as likely linked to other devices that belong to you or your household (for instance because you are logged in to the same service on both your phone and your computer, or because you may use the same Internet connection on both devices).
Identify devices based on information transmitted automatically 120 partners can use this feature
Always Active
Your device might be distinguished from other devices based on information it automatically sends when accessing the Internet (for instance, the IP address of your Internet connection or the type of browser you are using) in support of the purposes exposed in this notice.
Save and communicate privacy choices 108 partners can use this special purpose
Always Active
The choices you make regarding the purposes and entities listed in this notice are saved and made available to those entities in the form of digital signals (such as a string of characters). This is necessary in order to enable both this service and those entities to respect such choices.
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