It is the advice back In 2008 that I would like to see. Who said what from E.U side or was it something the Irish govt just drove on with.

Was that not released to the Irish Times during the summer… I think

No they and thejournal have requested it under FoI act but got turned down.

The Ponzi scheme that is our money system got a bailout. We should have let our banks collapse, and cut our loses (deposits). Look what we owe now.

Ciaran Ferrie
I was going to make that very same point . I am no fan of FFailures ,But it does look like we bailed EU, ECB,IMF out ”to safe guard the financial stability in the EU and the euro area ” …
I think it is a very sad piece of writing , cold nearly ,covering up lots of emotions.
Brian Lenehan R I P .

Eileen I’m afraid it is more calculated and extortionate than that. The economies/money systems were not systems that fell upon severe misfortune – this was planned all along. The entire money system we use is a Ponzi scheme. It was not rescued by us, it was refilled with our money, or more specifically, our debt that we will have to repay over generations unless we reject it outright. Throw out the money masters.

Oliver Whyte
So it is still an elaborate Pyramid scheme ? That we are ‘refilling’ as you say !
How low are these badstarts to this to ordinary people. Who knew what a ponzi scheme was a short few years ago ?
We should absolutely default ! I have always said that because I really do believe it will be tough but survivable . The way we are going is like a slow motion crash ,unending !!! I am heartily sick of it .

Unfortunately yes Eileen, the pyramid scheme continues. It has not changed in any way. People knew all along but were laughed at and labelled conspiracy theorists etc. Others in history were taken out for fighting it. It can end if we take back control of our money supply – ie restart the punt again, and never let it be controlled by private entities. It really is great to see more and more people waking up and becoming aware of the reality.

“safeguard stability in the EU”………..the ACE in the hole!!!

Oliver Whyte
People are waking up to it , I woke up about a year ago, started asking questions . Asaking why ? who? what ? where ? and why ? again . I read . I attended public meetings, asked questions and now I answer questions. People need to communicate with each other . Stop taking things on face value . Stop believing the spin. Oliver I believe that you and I are singing from the same hymn sheet , altho you say it more eloquently ! :)

You can keep telling yourself that Ireland bailed Europe out, and you can keep wondering why everybody outside Ireland acts as if that isn’t true. The answer is very simple, it isn’t true – it’s a comforting lie that happens to be handy for some politicians to spread.

Joe O Reilly
Ok so Joe who are the politicians that you call ” some”.

@Eileen Gabbett

All the opposition have a vested interest in spreading it – it suits SF because it’s eurosceptical, it suits the ULA and SF because it plays to the “capitalist interests did it for their own benefit” line, it suits the fringe because it plays to their notions of existential struggle against dark and covert powers, and it suits FF because it lets them off the hook.

Of all of them, it probably benefits FF the most. After all, if they were forced into it by evil foreign powers, then they’re blameless really, and you should definitely consider giving them your number 1 in 2014 and 2016.

Joe O Reilly
I hope the ”notions of existential struggle against dark and covert powers,” doesn’t give you a nose bleed , that is some mouthful and sounds crazeeee!
Just so you know I could not care less about FFailures or what they want to do ,. Thanks all the same for replying to me. I find your wiping out of the entire Dail chamber from future election funny. ,If I were to take your advice there would be no one to vote for . Unless a real people’s party were to flourish in spite of austerity and silly games that the big 4 like to play . Chat again soon Joe !

Instead they are getting fat on their considerable pensions. Nice deal if you can get it.

Use the Lo call number Jay. Otherwise they will think your loaded.

Thought Kenny has said there are none?

18 people (Red Thumbers) need to put the soaps on series link and step away from the box.

Yeah but hell for who?
Certainly not for Lenihan (had he lived). Nor for any other government politician of the time.
I’ll save my feelings for those that deserve it.

Daisy i agree with you FF criminal activity did destroy this country and our childrens future we are bringing up our kids to emigrate , iaint heard any of the FF SUPPORTERS ,Condeming criminal activity or asking for an investigation in to what went on the night that zombie banks were bailed out and no paper trail leff,this tells me one thing ,CRIMINAL ACTIVITY.

theres another 1…lol unfortunately people are still asleep and believing in the traitors….wonder how many i will get

The long grass is rustling…

i believe his missus had the letter and must of released it to the government.
she had it for ages and wouldn’t let it be seen

Are you on your own Deirdre?

Depends on who’s asking.

Its your husband, mr. fartbox here…

@ deirdre,
With a name like Fartbox I’d opt for no

You might get a shift there Deidre ahaha

And people wonder why I opted to keep my maiden name.

And Fianna Fail think they’ll be voted back into government, They could make it into a dramatic or comedy film = http://youtu.be/FBUcddKh5sY and at least the film could hire some people

Adam, from what was available, who else would have done it any differently? Who would have told Trichet to back off that the Irish nation will not accept your conman money tactics? The reality is that the nation including its citizens, politicians, civil servants and even economists do not understand the fundamentals of money systems, fractional reserve banking, and debt traps.

If you want to learn watch this: (warning 3.5 hours)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfpO-WBz_mw

The citizens of any country do not understand these systems Oliver Whyte, as they are not supposed to, and any chance of this happening in their education, is removed on purpose, as is in Britain. But to say the economists and politician did not understand, I find hard to believe. It was they, along with the bankers, insurers and other fraudsters that came up with system, so why would they not understand???

Patrick, I tried to explain to a few politicians how money works, including Enda Kenny, and I can tell you they are not highly skilled economic agents engaged in high deception. They become frozen and discharge one liner sound bites, that they have been trained to say, or change the topic to GAA. But I certainly do agree with you that the system is hidden from the masses who are in effect debt slaves. Now, more than any other time, it is essential that we learn for ourselves how to break free.

I don’t know Oliver. I found people like Enda Kenny and his lackey, like changing the subject, because your getting to close to the truth, like the other great trick of their, the say ” you wouldn’t understand, it far more complex than that”, which is the one that gets me going. And even of they are not the greatest of economist, they’re good enough, to keep this fraud on track!!!
I would love to of been there when you were explaining to Enda. I bet that was fun!!! :-)

That was the bank guarantee.

This letter was just the inevitable consequence.

Not quite fair there really Breda, as the article states the document was requested under Freedom of Information by this media outlet and others so you can’t exactly blame the current government for releasing it under those circumstances. Had they refused to release it no doubt there would be calls for heads to be chopped for trying to keep things from us ordinary folk. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

No, that’s the official justification for Europe to be allowed to bail Ireland out. Ireland applied because Ireland needed it.

No . We bailed them out and we are the collarteral damage allowed in any rescue undertaking ! Time to tell them to buzz off and leave us be ! We can make it on our own . We have done it before .

Right Ignorant Prat?

Nice John. You stay classy.

Seamus keep your faux indignation to yourself.We are supposed to feel bad because one of the architects of the collapse of this country is no longer with us ??? Will you have a little cry when Bertie or Brian etc. shuffles off this immortal coil??? Where is your tears for the people that didn’t get proper treatment in this country due to policies and decisions Brian Lenihan supported within government ??? I don’t know if there is a hell or not but I would like to think he is there with his buddy CJH,having hot pokers shoved up their jackcies!!!

Keepin’ it real seamus, keepin’ it real.

If Bertie or Cowen popped their clogs, I can’t say I’d be happy but I can’t say I’d be unhappy either because in their life they helped dismantle a nation and sell it off to foreign agents.With regard to Lenihan, he was well and truly alive when he signed away our nation and blatantly lied to us all along with BIFFO so I hear people say “have a bit of respect..the man is dead”..well yes he is dead but I don’t have to respect anybody I don’t want to, you have earn respect…he (or his traitorous party) didn’t give a sh*te about me or thousands like me when he was alive so why should I give a sh*te about him when he’s dead!?He sold the country out!You know where you can shove your respect…

Religious/Political stances and opinions aside, when someone dies its socially accepted that we show a little respect, and for a good reason. It’s not a good sign you know, the fact that you’re so eager to prance around, declaring how much you don’t give a shit about someone who has passed. It’s one of those sensitive topics where, if you don’t have something nice to say, you should just bite your tongue and move along. Regardless of how badly they did their job, it’s not reason enough to warrant their death.

i would agree if the work he was doin was supporting our country but he didnt he betrayed the people and that is unforgivable

I don’t. he took a job he wasnt qualified to do and screwed up.

Daniel i aint heard any of the FFs pay respect for the people that took their own lives because of their financial position due to lenihans catastrophic decision making as finance minister

Daniel i aint heard any of the FFs pay respect for the people that took their own lives because of their financial position due to lenihans catastrophic decision making as finance minister.

why would he betray us? what benefit would he get? He literally had weeks to live

Pull the other one Daniel. The only reason anyone cuts him any slack is because he’s dead. He’d be as openly hated as Bertie and Cowen had he lived.

Lenihan was a cog in a much bigger system i do believe he was bullied but he didnt do this alone his drunken boss should have managed things better but drastically failed as did the rest of the muppets in FF

You know you can turn off Caps Lock

That’s all the information you got from this letter?

It has taken countless requests under the freedom of information act to release this letter ,there is nothing harmful in here to the irish goverment , so why not release it earlier or this is not the letter sent on that day ,lets bring in experts to carbon date the signature this will tell us how old the letter is if its genuine .

Fine Gael are just as bad remember this pledge http://youtu.be/5LTCT7QIeP8

And Fianna Fail think they’ll be voted back into government, They could make it into a dramatic film http://youtu.be/FBUcddKh5sY and at least the film could hire some people

cos its not the real letter. Of course thats impossible because politicans never lie and then scramble to cover their arses.

FG / FF’s system of bailouts this jacks up the risk substantially of doing business with any organization that might be eventually taken over by the government. Ironically, BOI is probably at or near the top of that list.

We only got it this morning, and it needs a bit of parsing – some of it is quite dense.

Can you not publish both copies?..Leave it up to the reader to comprehend the structure.

It’s up now: http://www.thejournal.ie/brian-lenihan-letter-trichet-bailout-648040-Oct2012/