Conor regardless of the weight of whoever is wearing the gear its hardly relevant to the fact that this is what we all want to let go of in our past. I am as nationalistic and proud of my country as anyone else but i will not kill another person to pursue nationalistic goals.

These people do not care about a life. Whether they kill you from drugs or guns. Pack of criminals the lot of them. Using the Irish flag the way they did is a disgrace. The men and women in the garden of remembrance would be turning in their graves.

Mark, there are no men and women in the garden of Remembrance. Please stop pretending you know Ireland.
You should look closer to home for the reason people like this Ryan lad exist.
As much as I despise his ilk, I can understand why people like him exist so until youre from a country that has been raped by an imperial force that caused genocide and wiped out half your countries population instead of being from the country that harmed millions, please hush.

Have just driven past the area and there are black flags and tricolours on lampposts. It’s a disgrace.

Can’t arrest someone for what they are wearing

He’s only an ordinary Joe minister for Justice. What could he do?

They can be detained for suspected membership of a paramilitary organisation?

Yeah but you can arrest someone for having a gun and for firing shots, according to the indo they fired over the coffin they should have being immediately arrested

They could be arrested for promoting terrorism. Who wants to see images like that in Dublin 2012.

Conor,

Easier said than done. It would be pretty hard for the Gardai to arrest these lads without further violence. Letting them fire the shots is the lesser of two evils.

No Faceless Man, simply wearing combats would not be sufficient evidence of a connection to a paramilitary organisation nor reason for arrest. As for the shots fired. I’m sure if it had been witnessed there would have been someone arrested.

As soon as a shot was fired or a gun seen they should have shut the whole thing down, by force. Fcuking joke!

Hmmmm that might have started a fire fight…

where’s the line? when people are being shot? How long would the rest of us last if we start shooting guns at funerals?
Fire fight or not, it should have been shut down.

Paul Mallon – You seem to keep saying it should have been shut down. Please, enlighten me how you would have done that and avoided a fire fight between the IRA & Gardai?

I never said you could avoid a fire fight.

So a firefight would has been a desired solution?

No, of course not! Not the desired solution, but maybe an inevitable one. These guys are nothing but thugs, drug dealers and murderers, yet they do this type of thing and it’s let slide under the false banner of republicanism.

The sunday world said shot were fired before the cortège entered the cemetery.

The sunday world said shots were fired before the cortège entered the cemetery????

Not for what they are wearing, but they fired a volley of shots.

I thought there was a law stating there is one army in the state?

The other side to it is that Alan Ryan had a family….regardless of what he ‘represents’ he was a Father to someone….it must be hard enough losing a parent in a brutal manner without having the Gardai raiding their funeral and something kicking off. The Gardai are well aware of the individuals attending this funeral. They obviously were there as a deterrent for any potential madness or retaliation….if they could have arrested anyone I’m sure they would have. Apparently members of the crowd were shielding those that fired shots. The scenes at the funeral were definitely disturbing and totally unrepresentative of most Irish people I reckon/hope.

And firing illegally held firearms in public I believe is also an offense Gary.

Can’t arrest someone for what they are wearing? Should have called the fashion police!

A firefight ensues, innocent bystanders get caught in the crossfire. Think for one second instead of saying they should have stepped in. It’s easier said than done lads. Deep down Alan Shatter knew they couldn’t touch these lads. Best solution, keep and eye on them, get details of who’s who and take it from there.

But Dublinlad letting these thugs promote terrorism and fire guns in broad daylight in front of the authorities gives the idea of who cares go and scare the people is we’re gonna sit back and watch

Liam these Republican heroes are living off the leftovers from drug addicts. How heroic can you be?

Agree with ya Liam.
I always find it ironic that there were riots when the queen came to town and not when the IMF did….. which is a more immediate threat to the country they claim to be so patriotic about?!
They’re basically just gang-land thugs.

I’m 100% with you on this one Olivia – as a Republican, I’m totally at sea how these extortionists and drug Criminals could consider even having the gall to place the sacred tricolour flag on that mans coffin.
He in no way represented & his gang in no way represents Irish Republicanism of the past , current or future generations.
Wolfe Tone would be spinning in his grave , if these thugs were accepted to be such!

I agree in principle but when you have such large numbers and suspect that someone has a firearm in the crowd it’s best to stand back. Obviously if you suspect that there could be a danger to life than intervene but since the gardai were dealing with tools that everyone knows its safe enough to catch them when you can build your case against them.

absolutly agree with you about the flag, sickened me to the core, such an insult to our true patriots.

@ Stephen, so not having been born during the “troubles” excludes you from being patriotic??? the Irish struggle has been going on around 800 no 100 years, but as you openly admit you know nothing about them so commenting on patriotism is somewhat cynical of you, ,,by the way, in my view the above story has nothing at all to do with being patriotic, its purely criminal and the fact that no arrests were made gives you an idea aabout the gutless comments and behaviour of Shatter!!

The struggles only really started c400 yrs ago. Not 800. Just saying.

He would turn in his grave at the idea that the deceased, a known criminal was treated like a patriot

Would suit the Israeli Terror state Supporter to Catch the drug lord killers of this deceased man

I’m afraid your right.

Patrick what’s a disgrace is the fact that you think its disgraceful that it happened in dublin but it would be ok to happen in limerick. People like you are the reason limerick has such a bad name

Paddy’s trolling again. Note to Paddy: Get a life.

He might be trolling but in fairness, it was pretty funny!!!!

Nothing wrong with limerick plenty wrong with the flag you hide behind though

Sorry…… but what the f**k has this story to with SF?

Shatter is giving irish citizenship to people from outside the EU who came here on student visas just because he kept allowing them to renew their visas instead of only bringing in those with the skills we need.
I know at least 5 people, 2 from Maritius and 3 from China who wrote to him, told him that they have been students here for 6 years studying random business degrees in private colleges while working in cafes and their getting citizenship here because of the fact they are here a while.
Shatter doesnt give a damn about the Irish people.

He didn’t deserve news coverage

Respected or feared Antóin? People go to funerals for other reasons than respect, sometimes you have to be seen at these things even if you didn’t know or like the person. Maybe it is different in the criminal underworld and they are all just one big happy family? Oh wait………….

real crimes: burglary, robbery, vat fraud, illegal banking transactions, and so on.
shatter keeps his stupid mouth shut when he’s asked about mick Wallace, Sean Quinn, etc.

Ciaran, and paramilitaries are not involved in real crime? Can you please explain to me what “real crime” is? Isn’t all crime wrong? Where would you start in tackling crime?

He was not an Irish patriot but a drug baron and criminal…

Who said he isn’t searching for the killer? He also has to condemn inappropriate behaviour (putting it mildly) as displayed at the funeral particularly the numpties in their fancy dress who were playing with guns.

Alan Shatter is the Minister for Justice – not a detective.

These are guys who are running drugs and other dubious enterprises. They are not patriots. Collins would be sickened of he saw them. They use nationalism as a camouflage.

I agree with wearing what you want. However, in this case I feel that if it was me and put on an army pants, shirt and jumper with dark glasses and camo scarf I am basically saying I am hiding my idientity because I look like a terrorist. Now if i look like a terrorist in a place where terrorism has a long history and still activity I am a legit target for arrest.

Irish patriot…u are deluded…nothing about wat these people do represent nationalism…

Why were snipers not present to shoot those thugs who raised loaded guns to salute a fellow traveller. Surely they put the lives of ordinary citizens at risk?

Irish Patriot my arse, you wouldnt know the meaning of the term.

Disgraceful comment. I’m a nationalist but those men are CRIMINALS!!! Drugs drugs drugs. That’s all they’re good for. Bet they dont even have a friggin work of Irish.

Actually if you all read what irish patriot said was tosay they can wear what they want.

He didn’t comment on anything else EXCEPT to say they can wear what they want.

Actually Damien, he did comment on something else. He told the minister for justice to mind his own business.
I’m no fan of Shatters (I think he’s a arrogant pr*ck to be honest) but events at a paramilitary funeral are very much the business of any minister for justice.

@Damian, he also criticised the Minister for Justice for voicing the concerns of any reasonable citizen witnessing this display. It’s not a crime to wear the clothes, but it is a crime to be a member of a paramilitary organisation.

I wasn’t born in N.I. or when the real struggle was happenning around 100 years ago, so I won’t comment on something I know nothing about. What gets my blood boiling, is people born around about 1983 and no nothing about struggles? They call themselves Patriots, know nothing about Patriotism and yet have no problems. By either commenting, debating or creating trouble and were probaly born miles or decades from the Troubles!

“He told the minister for justice to mind his own business.” = He’s well within his rights to say that. Or do you want it to get to a stage where speech is censored and people can only say certain things?

“he also criticised the Minister for Justice for voicing the concerns of any reasonable citizen witnessing this display. ” = That’s his view, a view he is allowed to have. And again, you want us to get to a stage where we can only hold a 1 view and nothing else?

If they wanted to go to the funeral wearing what they did, then fine. Get over it

Exemplary use of the English language right there

I just put that into google translate,

It’s still searching……….

“The man done nothin to no one” well he was a suspect in two murders, lovely fella…

C’mon Richie, you know it should be…” De man dun nutin to no one”
Dont be givin dese muppets anthin to have a go backatcha!

Good

Thank god for that

Thank Christ ! Phew that was awful stuff coming outa that young fella…

Fighting for a cause? What the f**k does the cause his criminal group hides behind have to do with extorting money from legitimate Businesses in the Republic or the North for that matter?

Criminals full stop dirty cowardly criminals