Black sacks are a legitimate form of currency measurement for the government, like brown envelopes only bigger.
1 Black sack = 300 Brown Envelopes. :-D

Ha ha too true

How are they so sure that they are payments And Not RETUNED FINAL PAYMENT NOTICES….. Watch this space. I bet that is what is in the 57 bags

Bernadette thats a brilliant idea, I got my notice this morning so in the post it will go.

as long as you don’t put your return address on it :) :)

Please come out in your droves this Saturday. Bring the whole family. Gathering at 1pm at Garden of Remembrance. We shall then march onto Convention Centre where FG are holding their Árd Fheis.

We need to show these bully boys that we are not afraid. We are together on this. That we want our sovereignty back and that if they’re not capable that we’ll do it ourselves. It’s time to send a strong message. They should fear us – not us them.

Phil hogan you better get your walking shoes on and call door to door to collect the money because your dreaming if you think everyone is going to pay at the last minute. Come on Ireland stick together and don’t pay your house tax.

If you really believe this money is to support your local services give it directly to a local amenity! Do not trust this government with your hard earned cash. They are planning to pay €3.1bn on Saturday for a fake debt. That or pretend that they have negotiated some type of coup where they’re going to make the next generation pay. Don’t give them the satisfaction of thinking they’ve fooled ye again!

Unfortunately the debt is not “fake”. It is unjust alright, but very very real that will make future budgets a nightmare from the middle down.

This country needs a leader that is not based on Kildare Street at the moment. Someone who will balance our budget and make tough, yet fair decisions. Someone needs to put a bit of imagination into taxes and not just create poll taxes such as this one. It’s pure laziness.

Phil.
Are you sure they are payments or did you nick someones rubbish?
You must be desperate to be had for this kind of breaking news.

Billy it is FAKE Billy. The greatest con of the last century was pretending to us that money existed on computer screens. This country was flooded with money that was printed without a gold backup.

We have to remember that all money is only a piece of paper symbolising a unit of energy. The money in your wallet is real if it was earned. We’re expected to pay international banks and bondholders their computer generated fake money debts with real cash? That cannot happen. The balance of nature will not allow it. It’s pure and simple.

57 black sacks of payments received Mmmmm what a professional outfit this government is, in the electronic age of paying for any goods and services our minister is measuring payments in black sacks.

I’m so embarressed by this but at least i’m happy in the knowledge that they wont find anything belonging to me in those sacks.

Are BLACK SACKS an upgrade up from the Brown Envelopes that they are so used of receiving?

He’s lining up his excuse for extending the deadline. He’ll say staff need more time to process all the postal payments they received. Just a face-saving exercise. I heard him on Prime Time last night claiming there were 1.2 million forms sitting on kitchen tables around the country and people just hadn’t gotten around to paying it yet. If, as he claims, over 80% of people are paying this online why would they bother with printing out the forms? We don’t all waste our printer ink. There’s no form on my table and the only post he’ll get from me is his Final Reminder notice posted back to him.

Ok, say, and this is being generous – each bag has 1000 payments inside. That’s 57,000 payments, which added to the 350,000 already paid is just 407,000. Thats out of 1,600,000. Hardly a victory, now is it Phil??

Those 57 sacks are in the wrong place . They’re meant to be in Berties office in Drumcondra .

LOL :-)

I know what ur saying dave,
but i will be honest,
they could have been sweet with sugar on top,
and i still wouldn’t pay.

ah shur we are all thinking the same thing ,Brian. and they have not started to censor our thoughts yet !

Better to find cleverer ways to insult the b***ix Brian!

Ahahahaha brilliant joeseph, had to commend you for that before its removed :)

The virtual waste bin in the journal press office is bulging at the seams today. Now where would they get some extra plastic sacks?

Couldn’t agree more. I have been through it all before in Scotland with the Poll Tax. We stood our ground and it was abolished in favour of the Council Tax, which by the way is NOT a property tax. Is is paid by all households, renting or otherwise and covers local council services.

You got a leaflet? That’s much more than I received.

Briiliant comment !

Here’s another: These bags are like Heinz Beanz – 57 fu**ing varities to be farted out the winda!

That’s a nice idea, but it requires getting rid of all the bad bits. There’s is no one in any position of power who has the balls to start that process, and most of the public have TV to watch or something.

namawinelake enquired as to the amount who had paid by increment and the response from the dept of environment was 0…..

‘Strange: seemingly not a single household is paying the charge by 4 x instalments – €36.3m recd, 363,000 households paid. Very strange. –namawinelake

They also asked how many exemptions were registered but they didn’t get an answer.

So I think…now I could be wrong….but I think there is a whole heap load of goverment spin being applied to this. ;)

0.57 sacks so.

@ Paul

Good one!!!!! :)

I knew I was eligible for the waiver so I applied and so did some of my neighbours so your on to something there.

That made me laugh out loud. Thumbs up :)

Received this morning, handed it straight to the three year old who enjoyed throwing it into the recycle bin for me! Thank you Mr Hogan for helping me teach my daughter the joys of recycling :)

Oh jimbo! More childish stunts, grow up. People have more important things to do like working !

“…round he throws his baleful eyes
That witness’d huge affliction and dismay
Mixt with obdurate pride and stedfast hate…”
John Milton

He looked around and saw a lot of suffering. But he only felt stubborn pride and hatefulness.

Spoil sport.

Free Speech is a myth

@Eamonn you shouldn’t have said that, it sort of blows all the FGers arguments out of the water that this will only bring us in line with Europe.

That is very expensive for health insurance but it varies greatly with age, Medical conditions and of course level of care. Do you both make 30K? If I’m reading correctly and rounding off to 25% you would pay 2K per 30K, the problem here is the manor in which things are applied there is your tax after allowances (which are much less here) at rates of 20 and 41 %. Then you add an income levy, health levy and for me a pension levy. As you see it gets quite complicated and the figures can be manipulated to suit. Roughly done on 32K you’d pay 3500 plus the levies and in return you have a country who’s services and banks etc are in ruins. The real way is how it comes out in your pocket at the end of the day, I recently got an opportunity to work overtime of what I was paid I received 40% and paid 60% in taxes and increased levies (I do make over 30K). The great spirit of the Irish people is being squashed by the feeling of injustice and the lies, if they’d make the tax rate 50%, as it was before, acknowledge the fact that we are paying for this disgrace and actually fix something I for one would feel better. Despite all of the hardship and the regression of living standards and services in this country we are not close enough to the solution and resolution of this problem.

Excellently put johnathan.

Everyone here pays for bin collection privately. Don’t think there is any council left that collects it and the majority of people paid tens of thousands of euro in stamp duty on their home which no other European country had to. Also when rates on homes were abolished in the 70,s income tax was increased to compensate so we have always paid in some form. This is an extra unjust tax added on. Council services here are below average compared to germany.

good for you!
Here in Ireland we pay
Income Tax
Vat
Duty
Bin Charges

and a lot more besides!

For some reason my comment ended up else where?

Here in Ireland I already pay refuse fees. I also pay for my own septic tank maintenance. I also pay for road tax on 2 cars you know the tax that was once meant to take care of Irish roads, foot paths, street lighting and traffic lights. I pay a hell of a lot more then what it costs in Germany. I also pay a fair bit of money for what is laughingly referred to as “free education” oh I as I’m lucky enough to be in a job I also pay tax as does my other half.

@Eamonn we pay seperately for refuse about 250/300 euro a year water charges will come in 2013/2014 expected to cost about 400 per annum these are in addition to household/property tax.So what is you point?

Eamon,
You make a good point. Unfortunately Irish people thick they are the only ones who pay tax….

If only we had the services of germany here. ireland is basically non professional in every aspect. From high street shop assistants to road builders.

really declan,
what is his point?
whats such an excellent point about someone who simply states that in
germany he pays water and bin charges?

and how do u deduce, dear watson, that that means irish people think
they are the only ones who pay tax??

Eamonn,

Since we are at it, how much VRT do you have to pay on your new cars?

Good On you Eamonn maybe the County Councils in Germany actually create a good service.
The problem here is we already pay tax to create treated water but the whole system is full of leaks,charges for our waste in bin charges,Tax and Motor Tax and Tolls which is three taxs for our roads.
It says here on the leaflet send to each household that each €100 is being spent on
Planning and Development
Fire and Emergency services
Maintenance and Cleaning of Streets and Street Lights
Alright let me get this straight Were Told to hand over €100 for the same stuff were taxed for.
Fire Services are covered by tax and a more recent call out charges and now a household charge,so that’s Three tax’s on one service.
Emergency Services up and down the country are downsizing, getting a bed while in hospital is seen as a luxury.
I wont pay this charge while bank bondholders are paid billions of Irish Taxpayers money,while no one has gone to jail for the banking crisis,The billions spent on tribunals while our corrupt politicians that walk free.
I will Never vote FG/LAB again.

but eamon I’m sure that the water is clean and drinkable, that the pipes are modern and unbroken and being German when they say bin collections are on a certain day/time they are collected. I think peoples anger is that its not clear what the money from this payment is paying for, some say water some say libraries some think its just to pay the troika.

What’s the VRT on your Beamers like? Road Tax for said Beamer? What about the Stamp Duty on your House? How about the 7 grand (or 100 a year for 70 years) your new House has to pay for connections to water services that in the councils own words cover “provision, maintenance and supply” which is due to be metred and charged for in 2013? What about 60 quid a year just to own a credit and debit card? I could go on….

@Declan do you read other peoples comment or only the ones that agree with FG/Lab and lets not forget FF policy.

Here in Ireland our piss weak government has us paying the gambling debts of your German banks!

Very simple Joseph. Unfortunately the previous Goverment used revenue from a building boom to reduce all our taxation levels to one of the lowest in Europe in the last 10 years while at the same time increased the levels of old age pensions, social welfare etc… The end result is we dont have enough cash….. We spent to much on ourselfs. Thus its left to people like the much abused Minister to bring in charges so we can in some way balance the books.

@Eamonn I pay €520 per year just to have my bins emptied alone by a private company. I pay €633 per year in motor tax to drive on roads FULL OF POTHOLES.The water pressure to my house is diabolical and is brown at least once a week. Im going to be charged for that next year too.

declan,
when the much abused minister works for the minimum wage
while the crisis lasts,
bertie, flynn et al has pensions removed,
casino banking debt off the books,

i wonder, mmmm, would that help balance the books?

Make that happen,
and ill pay whatever i can to help this country,
and i will do it gladly.

Joe. I had a brief period to peruse your comment before it was removed. Through idle curiosity I suppose I was compelled to examine it’s structure and meaning to better understand it’s inappropriateness.My first impression was that it contained no offensive words in the usual sense other than the word ‘balls’ which in most circumstances is a harmless word enough although for some reason you chose to write it thus: ‘b*lls’. This leads me to believe that in the over all context of your comment it held some deeper meaning so I proceeded to examine the other noun in your comment -’sweat’. This again is rather inoffensive so on I went to have a look at the verb ‘to lick’. Now It began to dawn on me – ‘balls’, ‘lick’ and ‘sweat’, these words when taken in conjunction with your reference to Phil and your further reference to a certain activity combining the great man himself and a deceased male the scales fell from my eyes!
Well done Journal! Comments such as this have no place in relation to such a serious matter.

john,
i’m impressed! tho, of course, i shouldn’t be.

In the interest of accuracy, i must point out
that i said suck, and not lick.

Ur absolutely correct, comments such as that
have no place in civilized discussion,
and i would like to offer my deepest apologies
to anyone who may have been offended,
including all who view the journal, the author of the article,
the minister himself, the FG Labour government en masse,
and lastly, but by far not the least,
the pope

For my sin, i am going straight away to pay double
the household charge
and am going to apply for membership of
the Fine Gael party.

I consider the matter closed.

Joe
I’m extremal proud that my idle curiosity has resulted in such a happy outcome for all and I’m sure your gracious apologies will be accepted by all concerned

John LOL :-)

Its knowing there are folks like urself out ‘there’
that keeps me half sane.

on a serious note, i just had my first telephone conference call
with my newfound party,
and i must tell you John,
you’re being a very naughty boy for not paying this charge.

Big Phil told me hisself that he’s disappointed that
the peasants, i mean people, haven’t complied,
and that if yis are not careful,
he’s goin to knock on all yer doors
with a big stick, with some poo-poo on it,
till yis part with the cash.

YE HAVE BE WARNED!!!!

Joe. LOL indeed!
Big Phil can call around to me any time he likes shaking his stinking stick OR even to threaten me by his tendencies for ‘necroPHILia’! I will be pleased to inform him that he can bugger off as I have been dispossessed by another great institution of Irish society – The Family law Courts!
In any case, given the dubious nature of our administrative processes I like to keep my ‘assets’ in their more liquid format so I can follow Phil’s example in response to my retort and bugger off myself when I’ve had enough. The day is fast approaching!!

Ahahahaha john you devious man ;) very clever. Joseph I still commend you on ur original post. I wrote all over my ‘final’ reminder, stuck it in an envelope and popped it in the post. Will forward on to you later. ;)

And we are living in Ireland

Well fair to you Eamon, cause over here in little old Ireland, we will be paying 3.1 billion euros to the ECB to prevent German banks going bust. That is why this tax is unjust.

@ DECLAN COTTER re your comment ” We spent to much on ourselfs”, speak only for yourself and dont make sweeping generalisations. “WE” does not include me!!!

Joe
I returned to our earlier discussion to review the audience participation. I’m delighted to observe the extent of the approval for your great conversation!
No doubt some of your past protagonists got wind of this momentous occasion and attended to register their approval. I retire a happy man!

Stop that Declan, comments that contain common sense are not welcome around here. You’re only allowed to spout alarmist rhetoric, pseudo law nonsense, and imply that that all this is due to conspiracy involving the Illuminati, the Masons, and Brennan’s Bread.

so you allowed yourself to give in to fear rather than stand up to them. Do you think this says something about you and your ability to be brave?

You can’t see any other options Declan?

Here is just one option; legalise marijuana. This would create jobs in cultivating it and making all the other things that it can be used for. This would lead to more people paying income tax, free up Garda resources due to no longer busting illegal cultivation sites. On top of that, it would put some criminals out of business, which would also save on housing them im prisons, when they do get caught. Then, the Government could also generate a fortune, in Corporation tax, on the cultivation sites growing the marijuana. Plus, you’d have a lot of happy smokers out there, buying quality smoke and VAT on that. Smokers will smoke regardless of the drug’s legal status. Booom….there is one option. There are loads of others. It just requires thinking outside the box. That is what we need right now.

Is a man who can’t spell legitimate legitimate? DO NOT REGISTER, DO NOT PAY!

Hang on a minute there Declan, you know the facts on both, what would those facts be then?
You’re happy to pay for defunct banks for the next 20 or so years then?
I’ve no problem with property tax, water tax or increased income tax – just not on top of a corrupt unjust system.
You need to broaden your horizons to consider the possibility that a default and complete rewrite of the system might actually be the solution.
There is no solution that maintains the status quo.

Ireland can benefit from a property tax.. that’s very obvious.
The problem is, that I don’t see much point in putting more money into services that abuse the system already.
Sligo County Council (The only one I have any in depth knowledge on) spend quite alot of money looking busy.
For example, just 3 weeks ago I was working in my living room, sat outside on the left hand side of the road was a pickup truck with 4 council workers inside.
Two of them got out.
One laid a cone behind and one laid a cone infront of the truck.
The third lad popped out of the van, grabbed a shovel in the back of the truck, got it full with gravel and poured it into a small hole in the ground. The man then got back into the truck, while the other two collected the cones and put then in the back. They both got back into the van and drove off.
I didn’t think anything of this until around 10 minutes later I saw the same truck pull up outside my house (On the other side of the road as earlier, pretty much directly across from the earlier pot hole).

The same routine again, two guys out – laid cones. One guy out, filled in hole. All back in, drive off.
It took around 10 minutes (Yeah, seriously, 10) for each ‘event’.

I was dismayed to say the least, and frustrated.
There is alot of emphasis on paying back the banks with out money and taxing the hell out of the citizens but when councils are doing this and crying for money – I have very little pity.

Have a fantastic day yourself – now that you’re €100 less well off and avoiding pot holes as you drive back home.

Declan, you must be the only one here who has missed the connection between payments to unsecured bondholders and the magical appearance of this tax.

This money is not for local services – you already pay for that through bin charges, VAT, duty and income tax.

This money goes straight out of the country, to unsecured and unguaranteed Anglo bondholders.

You could have saved the taxpayer some money and posted the cheque yourself to Goldman Sachs, Credit Suisse, DAM, WEW, WGZ or any of the other hard-pressed holders of Anglo bonds.

Yep, even the minister doesn’t want this tax. You said it.

@ Declan hmmm… your last comment seems to have disappeared, I’ll comment anyway, your analogy is a little simplistic, it’s more like the this:
Your mate borrows a load of money from me, I mean shit lots, then he loans you a few quid. Your mate lives the good life, throws his money about the place parties like a good thing, invites you along. You head out with him once or twice it’s all good. Then your mate borrows more money from me, I don’t have much proof that he’s good for it, but he’s wearing lots of expensive clothes and drives a nice car and that, seems popular, I’ll give him more cash, take a punt on him.
Eventually your mate can’t pay. So then, he volunteers you to pay instead. After all you went to some of the parties, you profited from his money.
Then he forges your signature on a loan for the entire amount from one of my mates. He pays me the money I’m owed from your new loan and you are left paying back his debts as he heads off to look for another party.

that’s a better analogy.

would you still be willing to pay that back Declan? Because that’s essentially what’s happened.

Well for you L that thinks 100 euros is a measley.

The figure is irrelevant L.