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Gilmore admits ‘difficulties’ allowing household charge payment

The Tánaiste also accuses opposition leaders of misleading the public saying how expensive the charge could yet become.

TÁNAISTE EAMON GILMORE has acknowledged that there have been “difficulties” allowing people to pay the household charge, four days before the deadline for paying the €100 fee.

Speaking in the Dáil this afternoon, Gilmore conceded that individuals looking to pay the €100 charge before Saturday’s deadline had been unable to do so for several reasons.

The concession came during a fraught session of Leaders’ Questions, where the leaders of Fianna Fáil, Sinn Féin and the technical group all criticised the government’s handling of the rollout of the fee.

Fianna Fáíl’s Micheál Martin said it was unfair that some householders could find themselves facing extra levies and fines for not paying the charge when they had not received formal notification of it, or not been given a copy of the leaflet being sent to each home.

“Is it fair that fines will automatically apply, even though they’ve yet to receive a leaflet explaining how to pay for it, and given that Labour ministers admit it’s been badly handled?” he asked.

The Tánaiste responded that it was unlikely that anyone in the country could not know about the charge, “and the fact it has to be paid by the 31st of March”.

‘Moral blackmail’ and ‘fully-fledged revolt’

Sinn Féin’s Gerry Adams, meanwhile, said it was becoming apparent that the majority of citizens were rejecting the “legal threats and the moral blackmail of this government”, which he said was willing to repay a promissory note to a defunct bank worth several times the charge.

“Let me give you one suggestion,” Adams offered. “Abandon the household charge and introduce a cap on wages in the public sector above €100,000.” This, he said, would raise €265 million a year – €100 million more than the household charge.

Gilmore quipped that Adams should not raise queries about the €100 charge being levied in the Republic when charges imposed by Sinn Féin in Northern Ireland amounted to £1,259 per year, and called on Sinn Féin to clarify its stance of whether it wants people to pay the charge or not.

Gaeltacht minister Dinny McGinley, sitting behind Gilmore, shouted: “How much do you pay yourself, Gerry?”

Joe Higgins from the technical group said the findings of the Mahon report had galvanised a “fully-fledged revolt of people power”, as indicated by the low number of households paying the charge so far.

In response, Gilmore noted that the result of Mahon was that politicians needed to remain truthful with the public, and accused Higgins of misleading the public by claiming the household charge could yet reach €1,000 per house.

Higgins said this was based on the recommendations from the Commission for Taxation for property taxes of €560 per house, and from the ESRI for annual water charges of €500.

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  • I am sick of this breaking the law argument. Irish have had centuries of unjust laws that needed to be broken. Dont forget the penal laws, the ban on homosexuality, the ban on condoms, censorship laws etc. this bondholder charge has to be faced down.

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    • We even had a window tax at one time… Pitiful!

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    • Big Phil is a thundering disgrace to be scaremongering the people of Ireland. I travel 40 miles to work each day, pay my taxes, pay for a second vehicle, and get nothing from the government. But Hogan and his cohorts are paid by me and you to go to work. I say No to this Charge as it is the most arrogant abuse of power I have ever seen. The ballot box will come in very handy next time around to punish these liars and traitors

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  • I live in London and I pay around £1300 a year in council tax and I have absolutely no problem in paying it! Why? because for that money I know my money is going towards, Education, Social Services, Waste Disposal, Libraries, Fire and Rescue.

    This charge is simply going to pay the bondholders and any of you that think otherwise have your head in the clouds. I am delighted to be out of there at the moment! I get better services and I am having a better quality of life including FREE and efficient healthcare. I am delighted that I am not contributing to pricks like kenny and gilmore.

    Fine Gael and Labour will not survive another election because of the LIES. I love Ireland and its sad to see how the government after all their election promises are still treating their citizens with contempt.

    DONT PAY PEOPLE – I MAY NOT BE THERE BUT I KNOW LOADS WHO ARE STANDING UP AGAINST THIS UNFAIR TAX.

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  • Don’t panic! This charge must not be paid. Let this inept government sweat for at least another year, it’ll be another 20 euros that they still won’t get – I for one am not fattening frogs for snakes. Be resolute and together we’ll make it unworkable.

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  • There’s no difficulty….i just aint paying it!!!

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  • PEOPLE OF IRELAND ! This is the first of many stands we must make against this Government. We must unite and not pay this ridiculous charge 

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  • @mcbab that’s is a crazy comment about lefties taking over the journal comments .
    If you are looking for lefties have a look at some members of the present government that propose to be labour party members now trainee Tories.
    The progression from official sinn fein to sinn fein the workers party to the workers party to democratic left to labour is all there to see.
    The fires are still burning on bray dump
    Lefties me arse !!!!!!

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  • Up north the get free medical care and a hell of alot better services than we do.
    Our medical care is based on how much it’s cost to let a patient die on a List to get on a waiting list rather than treat.

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  • I will not be paying, the tax is a selective tax . If a tax was to be levied on the people of Ireland then it should be across the whole of the nation , why should I we liable for a tax that does apply to everyone in the land ?. Just because I worked since I was 14 years of age paid my taxes ,prsi , etc. and bought a place to live I am now 66 years of age and live on the state pension of 230 euro a week, I suffer from ill health for the last number of years and no consideration is given to people like myself. They stated the would maintain the state pension at its present level and made a big song and dance about it in the papers , not much point in giving me the pension and at the same time telling me I owe 100 euro tax on my home , it is not right to tax an OAP. just because I have somewhere to live . THIS IS NOT A JUST OR FAIR WAY OF RAISING REVENUE. and I for one will not be paying.

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    • William
      Good man , I will not be paying either . I enjoy the fact that I will not be paying , because I know that I am taking my place among good people. People like myself who has worked and paid all our lives ,I refuse to be treated like some one who does not know what she is doing , like some one who does not know her own mind . I know where that €100 is going to end up and it wont be in my local library or park . We are right

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    • Well said William. I’m sure many here will agree. Have no fear. The cowardly stance of threatening everyone from the cradle to the grave, will surely be their undoing. Bear in mind, that It is not the first time that we Irish people have been in this position. Hold fast friends, hold fast.

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    • Well said William.

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  • made 27/03/12 #

    Don’t register Don’t pay, talks of extending deadline for payment, they can extend it till hell freezes over I will never pay this unfair and dictatorship tax, so the crowd of muppets we call government can hand it all over to unsecured bond holders. Don’t register Don’t pay.

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  • Gilmore, hang your head in shame. You are a traitor to your ‘principles.’ I will never again vote for labour. At least the Greens pulled the plug…

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    • In my opinion the greens got a bad deal, they ran on green policies and that’s it, not economic ones or anything. Their goal for their electorate is to get into power and try and enact those green policies by forming a coalition. FF + Greens was the only way they could get into power at that time and although the thought of being in power with FF was too much for their leftist votership they succeeded in getting certain laws pushed through at least. Now they’re getting a bad rap, sometimes worse than FF just for stayig in government with them for so long, even though they did pull out in the end. I think it’s a shame and personally I think they did those that voted for them proud!

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    • skeolawn 28/03/12 #

      The ends justify the means, eh Doire? Very jesuitical.

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  • Gilmore’s wife sells a Field worth a few thousand to the government for €500,000 and this man wants us to pay a coruption tax.

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  • Ireland’s weather 10, Ireland’s Establishment 0

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  • No your alright thanks I think I will see you in court along with the other million people who are not paying. Stop trying to screw us I pay enough tax as it is.

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  • He has a bigger problem than the €100 charge – will he expel Oisin Quinn for bees ring 4 ethical rules recently regarding properties which he is part owner of and he lobbied the council for planning. Worse when you consider he did this while the Mahon tribunal was concluding its affairs – right under our noses. Arrogance just like within the Bertie camp is alive and well in Labour. FG support this behaviour.

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  • jimbo 27/03/12 #

    youbetterpayup what are you trolling these threads for?
    i see you have a similar twitter status

    WE WILL NOT BE PAYING

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  • Dave 27/03/12 #

    There’s no problem in paying! I just wont pay until this government REFORM as they said they would, cut massive wastage, lock up the corrupt and get this rotten private sector debt OFF OUR BACKS!

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    • Did you expect massive political reform to happen overnight?

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    • Dave 27/03/12 #

      I expected some attempt at it! Sorry to say, but if you really want it done – it will be done. They’ve had 13 months now, getting a bit bored of dumb excuses like that!

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    • We expected change!! But got nothing but the same and worse!!!!!!!!!!! Shameful how elected representatives are not held accountable for their pre election lies!!! I suppose that’s the entry test for the corruption that’s to follow!!

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    • no keithy baby,
      not overnite, but would have expected results by now.

      and don’t bother ur balls listing out ‘results’
      ie reduction of interest rate on loans and all that malarky.

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    • For corruption example see chris post above.

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    • Overnight no, but they’ve been there over a year now, endless broken promises and no reform yet.
      We still have unvouched for expenses, breaches of pay ceilings, ministerial laundry bills, allowances for going to work on top of salary, leaders allowances, Independents getting party leaders allowances, no movement on abolition of Seanad or reduction in TD numbers.
      No meaningful restructuring of Local Authorities, we have a proposal to merge 6 into 3, yet we are not told what the savings will be.
      Still endless numbers of quangos etc etc etc.
      Sure they will be going on their summer holidays soon, not too long after they come back from their easters!

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  • The developers owned the land that they bought during the early 90′s then payed off politicians to rezone to residential land then borrowed money from banks to develop. Then the media got money for advertising the solicitors got money for transactions the average punter got a house which was only worth half of what they payed but the banks where not helping the media wasn’t helping the solicitors where not helping the politicians where not helping. They all took the cash in the good times just fooling the average punter out of there hard earned cash. Consider the average punter was fooled I don’t think they can be fooled twice.

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  • jimbo 27/03/12 #

    Amazing the technology thats there now plus contacts in relevant social media sites can tell you..your comments alone,timeline here and on twitter and twitter status tells it all..

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  • mike 27/03/12 #

    Remember the Home owner pays the Household Charge and if you have a mortgage the home owner is the Bank.

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    • That’s patently not true. A bank can only kick you out of a house because you’ve agreed to put the house as collateral for your borrowing.

      You don’t buy a house from the bank, you buy it from an auctioneer representing another person. The bank never owns it.

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    • Aldo 27/03/12 #

      Mike you own the house unfortunately, the bank merely have a legal charge over the property. To put it another way it gives them first dibs if you default.

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  • I have it there but I would rather buy some food for the month with it.

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  • @ David,

    You seem to think and believe that it will always be EUR100. It’s EUR100 now in order for Hogan to get all of us to register. Just like him, he seems to think we all have EUR100 cash sitting in our pockets. I’ll tell you something now, I have a money box in my kitchen. There was a little over EUR200 in it less than a year ago. Last week I counted EUR15 left in it!

    He thinks that we will all accept this EUR100 because he knows some Irish people have tunnel vision, they don’t think before making their minds up and they certainly don’t think very far from ‘today’. It will be huge money next year. He just came up with EUR100 because to him, that’s a reasonable figure. He thought! by next Monday he have over 1 million people/electorate on his files!!!! It may be different for everybody, depending on circumstances but sadly David …… you will not be paying EUR100 next year. I hope to see you on this ‘journal.ie’ this time next and see what your posts are telling us of your opinion in the future. I know for fact that it will change between now and then.

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  • @ Joe Hunter

    Well said. Agree with you. I believe and agree with everything you say. My sister moved to London with her job about 25 years ago when her two children were tiny. She cannot believe what’s happening here. She misses Ireland a lot and just retired a couple of weeks ago. She has no intention of coming home. The council tax she pays like yourself is more justifiable. Sounds a lot, but everything is included in that tax as you state above.

    I don’t have EUR100 in my pocket like Hogan has and many of them in the Dail. Hogan is loosing it now because he knows a huge majority of us have no intention of paying and neither him and his Government can afford to chase us for it. He is so sorry that they decided to bring it in now and it could f . . k up the vote in the referendum in May. They won’t get the ‘Yes’ vote that they thought because the Irish people will be so angry, they won’t think beyond today. The Government will fall, Leo Varadkar, Lucinda Creedon and all the ‘young guns’ will take over Fine Gael/Labour and will blame the ‘aul fellas’ for causing it. The ‘aul fellas’ will resign and end up enjoying retirement on their lovely pensions and then we start running in circles again!

    My second child is hoping to go to Uni in September. How it’s going to be paid for I really don’t know but I can’t tell him that. He gets straight A’s and is a great kid. If I could, and hope, I’d live my final years in Jersey and the only time I’d be coming home is in a small box (ashes) and be buried with my parents.

    I was brought up in a family of 10. We never had anything, ‘handmedowns’ were great to get, it was new to us! I never saw greed or lies as a child as there is now in Ireland in the past 20 years. There’s them and us. Disgusting horrible, horrible people. They just don’t care any more. The % of stress related illnesses in Ireland is huge at the moment. The % of people young and old that are taking their own lives has jumped hugely.

    I wish you well in your life and pray for us here and that greed and pointing the figure leaves this land soon.

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    • Well said sheila. Honest to goodness truth. Good luck to your son. I hope he gets a place in uni. I would rather give him the 100 euro as at least then I would know it is being used for his benefit.

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  • jimbo 27/03/12 #

    So gavan are you saying the auctioneer owns it?or the person he represents which would be the bank?

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  • there should be a law against elected representatives (or anyone) urging citizens to break the law. it is an appallingly dangerous precedent to set and totally irresponsible in a stressed economy.
    Anarchy will not serve anyone well except fringe interests seeking to bolster their own power.

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    • What law are you talking about????

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    • Police state where noone is allowed any from of protest is that your suggestion.

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    • mcbab 27/03/12 #

      Arbitrasue
      Yours is the most intelligent comment I have seen on this site for many a long day. well done. Sick of all the negative sour lefties taking over this site.

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    • Yeah, Mcbab. All those losers who don’t want to pay a tax that will go to the bankers, hedge fund owners and investments to cover their private losses made on the Irish banking and property markets.

      People should be happy to cover their losses. So what it means fewer services, higher taxes and a continued massive burden on the state’s taxes. So what it if it means that we’re paying 3.1 billion on loans from Anglo Irish while this measure will only raise about 140 to 160 million.

      Stupid sour people should just shut up, grab their ankles and take it. You’re dead right.

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    • I’d contest that if the law is unjust it’s not just a point of principle but your national duty to oppose it

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    • @Arbitrasure
      There should be rewards for people who stand up for what they believe in, even if that means they are ‘technically’ breaking the law.
      If everyone was a good little sheep like you propose, what sort of a world would we live in?
      All of the rights and privileges that you enjoy in life come from people standing up and saying no!

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    • It’s time to pull the plug on this one Hogan! You’re way out of your depth man! Do the honourable thing! Fall on your sword! You’ve made a complete bollox of the household charge and the water meter installation programme! Hey you even managed to upset your own kind with that septic tank fiasco! It’s only because your boss is a clown too, that you got the job in the first instance!!

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    • skeolawn 28/03/12 #

      I am sure there is such a law in North Korea. Who’s the real “lefty”?

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  • Obvious Troll is Obvious

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  • To all the people who didnt pay it. Just pay the €100.

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  • If I win the euro millions 5 weeks in a row I still won’t pay it no way can pay but won’t pay

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  • great concept, if you disagree with someone: first brand them a troll, then insult them, then request that they be banned.
    What is your next step? Could you squeeze out a reasoned basis for your own point of view? Go on, give it a whirl. You might surprise yourself if you actually think about it.

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  • Well done to all the people who are paying the household charge. They are law abiding citizens.

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  • surely a socialist labour party would have taxing property as part of their principles? spread the wealth, pay for public services. is that not left wing?

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    • There is no allowance in relation to ability to pay even considered in this charge.What services do rural dwellers get,alot already possibly paid development levies to the councils.So what would they be paying again for?

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    • Sorry but an apartment in 150,000 negitave equity is not owning property it’s owning a home that I’ll be paying for for the rest of my life.
      This is a liability and instead of paying a tax I want my stamp duty back.

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    • We already pay taxes for local services plus refuse charges plus motor taxes plus stealth taxes plus stamp duty (and more planned water charges). Enough is already too much. Alternatives? Burn the bondholders, reform local govt, squeeze the fat and fattest cats.

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    • But this is not a property tax, it’s a poll tax.

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    • Yes but most of the property is not making wealth if anything its a burden for ordinary people. A mansion or asset tax would be more equitable

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    • I don’t oppose the idea of paying for local services as a principle that this isn’t that! It’s a levy on owning property and is going to the exchequer not your local authority! If this was done properly yes the cost would be higher but you would know where the money was going and also the reduction in costs to central goverment would allow maybe for a reduction in regressive taxes such as VAT and perhaps even the USC!

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    • You would also obv have to get a breakdown of the spend as with UK council tax

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  • Jimbo

    Really? If Thats what you think. Then prove it

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    • We are all law abiding citizens, however, at what point do you say enough is enough, when your own government is fucking you. everyone is getting off from banks,bondholders, developers, yet we get fucked. your a fg/lb wet dream. Your a good little boy, arent you, yes you are, yes you are, good boy, does the lickle one want to roll over..huh..huh

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