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In last bondholder payment of 2012, BoI pays out nearly €40 million

The only one of Ireland’s main banks not under State control makes the final payment to bondholders today bringing to over €20 billion the amount paid out by it and other banks this year.

Bank of Ireland in Dublin (File photo)
Bank of Ireland in Dublin (File photo)
Image: James Horan/Photocall Ireland

IN THE LAST of over €20 billion in bonds paid out this year by Irish banks, Bank of Ireland has paid out €37.3 million to senior unsecured bondholders today.

The bank, which managed to avoid State control during the financial crisis, issued the bond in 2005 and it matures today with a payout of €37.3 million marking the last such payment of this year.

Bank of Ireland is the only one of the six institutions covered by the State’s bank guarantee, initially introduced in 2008, not to come under the majority control of the State though the government is a minority shareholder.

The independent TD Stephen Donnelly, who has consistently criticised bondholders repayments this year, told TheJournal.ie today: “At this stage I guess it’s up to Bank of Ireland as to whether or not they honour their bondholders. We’re only a minority shareholder now.

It’s a funny old world where €36 million becomes a trivial amount of money.
If you think about the respite care grant, the total amount of the cut is €26m but when you factor in the government’s multiplier it’s €18 million, so the payment today is twice the government’s respite care grant cut.

In total over €20 billion has been paid out to bondholders by Irish banks this year.

Among these was a January repayment of a €1.25 billion bond to senior, unsecured bondholders in the now defunct Anglo Irish Bank despite protests.

In March of this year the government announced a deal to defer the payment of a controversial €3.1 billion promissory note due to bondholders in Anglo – now Irish Bank Resolution Corporation.

The promissory note was swapped for a long-term government bond that was funded initially by the National Asset Management Agency before it was refinanced over a longer period with Bank of Ireland.

In facilitating the deal for the government Bank of Ireland will make itself just over €36 million, just short of the amount it is paying to senior, unsecured bondholders today.

The bondholder repayments this year also included a €1 billion payment by Allied Irish Banks (AIB), 99 per cent owned by the State, in unsecured debt to senior bondholders in October.

Next year Irish banks are due to pay out €17.4 billion to bondholders, followed by €5.9 billion in 2014 and €11.6 billion in 2015 according to a website which tracks the repayments, Bondwatch.

Donnelly said today that €6.9 billion of the money due next year is unguaranteed – meaning it is not tied to any specific assets like a mortgage debt which is tied to a property.

“So that is twice the entire Budget correction this year. It defies belief that we’re still doing this, that these guys are getting paid,” he said, adding: “It’s not only unsustainable, it’s wrong, it’s just flat out wrong.”

Ireland has committed a total of €64.1 billion to its banking sector since the original guarantee was introduced in 2008 during the global financial crisis.

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Comments (68 Comments)

  • Looking back with the wisdom of hindsight , Cowan/Coughlan/Lenihan & Co singed us all up for Euro 64 Billion of additional debt – it was already too high as it was and is now close enough to Euro 200 billion in it’s totality.Totally unsustainable by any reckoning – it’s just a question of when we default not if… Taxes , so called charges ( more taxes) will continue to increase and services for charges you already pay will reduce or disappear.It’s all smoke and mirrors.You see you now only get paid a “commission” on your income ie less than 50% when you add up all direct taxes incl USC , PRSI etc and when you factor in indirect taxes you actually get a fraction of each Euro you earn.Government is totally out of control and there is a massive default coming down the track unless we get near total debt forgiveness on the illegally imposed “Bail Out” / Bank Guarantee debt which was mainly provided to shore up the Euro and also prevent contagion to the German and French Banks that lent to Anglo and other Irish Banks.The repayments are now the gretest transfer of wealth out of this Country since either the Coming of the Normans in 1190 or the Plantation of Ulster in 1600 .It’s THAT BAD !!!! Wake up for God sake before it is too late !!!!

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    • “Week 96, Charleville Library Plaza tomorrow (Sunday Dec 30th), last march of 2012, Jamie Smyth of the FINANCIAL TIMES will be there. Hope to see as many of you as can make it; low as the ECB have forced us, let’s end the year on a high. Week 100 will be on Jan 27th; current plan is to meet and march in Ballyhea at 11.30am, as usual, then in the cars and into Charleville to march there also, mark the day by doing what we did when we first joined Charleville, protest in both places. We’re hoping also to have a gathering on the Saturday evening at a venue in Charleville, with a few prominent speakers. Please spread the word on this. Thank you all, Diarmuid O’Flynn”

      http://www.facebook.com/pages/Ballyhea-bondholder-bailout-protest/162154057174719?ref=stream

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    • MrKnow 29/12/12 #

      Great comment tony, its just a pity that we the Irish are stupid and couldn’t care about anyone but themselves.

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  • I’m going down to Paddy Powers tomorrow morning and I’m going to put €100 on QPR to win the premiership.

    If I don’t win the bet, at the end of the season I’m going to go down to Paddy Power and demand my money back. By our government’s logic, it would appear that that would be a reasonable thing for me to do.

    However, Paddy Power is a private company who actually understand how to run their own business, so it is reasonable for me to expect them to politely tell me where to go.

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  • Billie,

    my wife and I were in trip mind about buying our home in 2008 as it was the start of grumblings from financial analysts saying the market was gonna crash, but then our leader came out and said to them to throw themselves off the bridge that the country was fine so I went with what the leader of our country said and bought a new house for our growing family now if he said that there could be trouble we would of held off and continued having our son and daughter sleeping in the same bedroom of put two bedrooms house.naturally enough give months later in the space of the Weeks both my wife and I lost our jobs, my wifes still out of work, i’m fortunate to be working for a pittance unable to pay my mortgage, should I be thrown put on the street for trying to improve my familys standerdof living and daring to give my children their own bedroom?? should I be thrown out on the street for stupidly taking my taoisochs advice and buying into a booming economy?? I actually am one of those people who pay tax every week but simply cannot afford to pay for my house any more

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    • First off, I empathise with your situation.

      My point is not what I want to happen, but what would happen. It’s not morally correct, but these banks don’t have a moral compass.

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    • you are not wrong no matter what your circumstances are now you were never wrong to try to improve your position in life my friend.
      all i can do is to wish you well for the future and hope that common sense by both the banks&the government will allow you to keep your family home.
      there is a solution but it requires the banks to some common sense if they have an empty house they get no revenue from it & if its sold at the market value now they get a pittance so why on this god forsaken planet do they not let people stay put paying what is reasonable mortgage based on their present salary is beyond me,

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    • tom 28/12/12 #

      The banks should have been let fail and we used any money we borrowed as a state to fund and build the state for the benefit of its people. Its was simple back in 2008 but behind close doors at night all word of mouth the debt was (criminal) transfered to the Irish people.

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    • Sorry to hear of your situation, but are you saying you entirely based your purchase decision on Bertie’s crystal ball that the property market was only going to go up?
      You might feel better if you blamed yourself a bit more; blaming others tends to make people more angry. You can forgive yourself more easily and get on with life.

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  • We pay our way , while people die on hospital trolleys , talk about happy Christmas if you are one of these bond holders that bought junk bonds for 10 cent in the euro .

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    • All I want for Christmas is to be a Bondholder :) ….

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    • Donal
      I don’t see the connection between the payment of our debts and the death of patients in our hospitals.
      ( I presume you are referring to our PUBLIC hospitals ). Over the course of 2012 if my memory serves me correctly the number of patients on trolleys declined substantially and the number of patients treated as both in patients and day case patients increased substantially. This was also achieved with some five thousand fewer employees .
      So you see why I don’t see the connection between the two.
      What I don’t understand is why the HSE and the Minister aren’t boasting loudly about these data.

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    • Mivchael J Collins
      There are none so blind as those who will not see .
      You can open your eyes and your heart or stay cold and callous .
      Mick Collins ?

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    • Michael try you logic,statisics or whatever form of government/H.S.E whitewash on some of the people who were rushed off of those trolleys and out of hospital,
      people like my friend who had a broken knee undiagnosed for 13 months, a neighbour whose arthritis is so bad he can barely get dressed or the C.F suffers who are still denied their PROPER treatment facilities there are so many more i could mention .
      so Michael if your comment was designed to stir-up public anger you didnt have far to go with me.
      thank you

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    • Eileen
      Maybe you need an optician. I suffer from a serious and chronic illness and have to attend a major Dublin public hospital many times every year both as an out and in-patient . I’m not blind . I get to see a wide variety of areas and I’m hugely impressed with the patient throughput but staggered at what seems to be over staffing and poor hygiene.
      The statistics on my previous Posting are actually endorsed by the INMO and HIQA so it is not a spin being put on the data by the HSE. In 2012 the Hospitals managed a huge increase in patient numbers with five thousand fewer staff.
      You can only draw one conclusion and it’s staggering isn’t it!

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    • ISBA 29/12/12 #

      Sad Michael, you can only be a FG sympathiser. Listening to spin from the worst government in living memory – YES- including the last one is counter productive to us, as a people, getting our country up and running again. Like every crevice of our once great Nation, the HSE lacks leadership, direction and know how – just talk to the front liners and stop listening to muppet spin doctors.

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  • And this is why BoI put up their interest rate before the Christmas rush, and also why the gov want you to sign up to household charge. Any chance of a sub? my credit card is boll!red ©

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  • bad times when 40m is a drop in the ocean.

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  • People of Ireland
    Happy new Year of continuing to be the biggest suckers in Europe. Go on take a bow.

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  • When the Greeks protested some of them wore t-shirts saying’ Were not the Irish’ .How right they were

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  • Fine Gael’s support likely to fall further in next month’s poll. The intellectually dumb FG voters have even had enough. Looks like the people want real alternatives from SF or Independents.

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    • Sinn Fein won’t be the answer, look what they are doing up north.

      We need a new party, not like the old FF spin off that was the PDs etc. My worry is that the two rotten parties FF & FG will get into bed together at the next election as their policies are the same – support capitalist mates. If your business fails your gone, you place your bet and take your chances. These FG/Lab are just as bad as all the other liars and feather their own nest merchants before them.

      We need a Government for the People by the People (not socialism or communists as that is just as corrupt, (look at Russia).

      If the Government are going to bend the rules for bad teachers, civil servants etc. then we can scrap the payment of Bondholders and hold the current and previous Government TD/ministers to task and make them repay to the people of Ireland form their pensions and give them €188 a week to live off.

      Name the bondholders, every citizen of Ireland has a right to know. It’s time for action.

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    • John
      I’m a Bondholder through my pension Fund. Does that help you any?

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    • To John Mooney, what are they doing up north? They don’t have fiscal control. That lies in Westminster. Unite Ireland and have an all island economy. We’d be better off.

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  • that’s true i’m not posting this for pity, my days of not sleeping, crying, and praying the postman doesn’t come are well and truly gone,I just think the while public were taken for a ride, when I think of what I paid (????) for that house and what its worth now its scary, but the government were telling I’d to buy, buy, buy, and the banks were throwing it at us they have to take some of the blame……and have to look at some form of debt forgiveness

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  • Let them eat cake …. now where’s the Guillotine … i’ll supply the basket.

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  • Makes me sick (not just a saying)….this is why the austerity budgets frustrate me….not paying to save this country, paying for this crap

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  • The Bank of Ireland did not pay out that money, we did the people who live in this country.

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    • Our government lied to get elected in 2011. Recall: “not a red cent” [Anglo Irish Bank] by Fine Gael (a Rightwing party) and “Labor’s way or Frankfurt’s way” by Labor (a Centrist party).

      We have a similar situation to Greece: Capitalism has destroyed Ireland since 2008. People have to pay new water charges and property tax for Banks and their ponzi scheme.

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    • Mark
      I have seen this claim repeated by you on a number of occasions and we both know that it isn’t true. The “not another cent” was a throw away comment by a Fine Gael candidate in the Election but was never either Fine Gael Policy or a part of the Election Manifesto. Indeed the Programme for Government which was negotiated by the Labour Party and Fine Gael after the General Election was due to the fact that the electorate gave neither Party a mandate. That meant Mark that to form a Government a consensus Programme had to be created from the Policies of both.
      So Mark your claim is entirely baseless.

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    • BS mark.!
      ‘Not another red cent’ was the driving force behind the FG campaign. It was a fundamental promise in exchange for a vote. The people voted for this! I voted for this! And it never materialised. This is the ultimate failure. This should have been the one promise they kept. Raises taxes, charge us for household services and even water and we wouldn’t care because the bondholders were burned! Instead were taxed, charged, mortgaged and fleeced to the hilt and the bondholders are still being paid. Something’s got to give here, the people have done enough at this stage! Time for the tides to turn. I am all up for mass mortgage default!! Count me in.

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    • Apologies mark, I agree with you fully. My comment was intended for Michael.!

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    • Ryan
      Look up the Fine Gael Manifesto……..it’s available for public viewing and show me where I’m talking bullshit as you quaintly put it. Ryan its not there.
      Please use less vulgarity in future. The English language is sufficiently broad and rich to allow you express yourself colourfully without profanity or vulgarity. Try it sometime.

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  • The only way that we are ever going to be listened to is to stop handing over our very hard earned cash! Mass mortgage default. It’s simply done, just place your funds beyond the reach of the mortgage account. Put them somewhere else for 3 months and lets see what action will be taken by the Government. If we are seriously looking for the Banks to default why don’t we do it for them?

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    • The banks are mostly to blame but how about taking some personal responsibility as well?

      You knew the risks when signing your mortgage. If you don’t pay your mortgage you’ll lose your home. That’s the deal you signed up to.

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    • Agree completely Billee. I’m just suggesting that we all place our payments out of the reach of the mortgage collection for 3 months. Put it in another account until you need it again. It’ll cost us a few Euro but we will get a quicker solution than waiting until the next election to make these Guys move.

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    • Unfortunately I see that shooting ourselves in the foot.

      These politicians just don’t care. They will never have to face the same decisions as we do. They have no problem letting good people suffer. I doubt anything will change that.

      I’m also wary of burning bondholders until we know who they are. It’s another thing we have to be careful not shooting ourselves in the foot over.

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    • tom 28/12/12 #

      Personal mortgages wasn’t the making of bank crises nor is it credit cards so why confuse both. The bank debt is not our debt and bondholders should only be the concern of the banks who should have paided cent on the euro.

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    • Bet mickey noonan is one of the senior unsecured bond holders!

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    • Afaik the Anglo list is freely available. It’s mainly asset management companies, quite a few German and French ones (dont ya know)!

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    • Billie, it is not our debt! These were financial transactions between private enterprises. They are NOTHING to do with the people of Ireland. Give me one reason why we should be paying back bondholders with OUR money???! I did not get rich from a property bubble which was manufactured by an elite and which only a tiny number of people benefited from. We should not have to pay for their mistakes! The health service didn’t improve, schools still consisted of dilapidated prefabs. The Austerity now being imposed is a direct result of two successive governments giving our money away and siding with the elite instead of the people they are supposed to represent! The leaders of 1916 would be ashamed to see how this country has ended up.

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    • It was not capitalism that destroyed Ireland or Greece. It was corruption. If true capitalist principles of risk and reward were followed the banks would have failed and there would be no repayment of unsecured debt. As usual it is not the ism that is to blame but the corrupting ists.

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  • Banks don’t have a moral compass and mortages have to be paid but there are more ways to skin an onion.
    If this happened if France they would shut the country down.. end of story.
    Ports,roads,transport,public buildings etc.
    The way 2013 is shaping up so far I think the government and banks are in for some surprises.

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  • So Mick Collins is a labour lover? I used to think he was FG but its clear now. And as for them , well they will get the same as the greens got next time .

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  • These bondholders are the Rothschilds. They are the ones who are LENDING us this money (at interest) in order to pay them back.

    These are the same people who own our central bank, the ECB, the Bank of England etc etc.

    They are the sole creators and issuers of fiat money which is created out of nothing and lent to us at interest to use in our daily lives.

    The ensured drumm got his safe passage out if the country when they set up Anglo as the vehicle to plumet our country into debt.

    For godsake people, wake up.

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  • and yet they put up their credit card charges by 4 %,and they wont help out anyone in trouble with their mortgages and yet they pay these bondholders back,they gambled and lost so why pay them.fools thats all they are.

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  • Just out of curiosity, why do people assume these unsecured bondholders are fat cats?

    There is a decent chance it could be your pension fund.

    Be careful what you wish for. Unless you know who you’re burning, it could end up biting you on the behind.

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  • another 16-18 billion next year people……..http://bondwatchireland.blogspot.ie/ check that site out its great ;)

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  • Told you that we were a laughing stock within the bondholder world.

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  • So that’s why I got hit with new transaction charges for absolutely everything??
    It’s getting to the stage that I’ll have to start considering just stuffing cash into my mattress. Fees, fees and more fees!

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    • David
      Your remarks are silly in the extreme. The Bank of Ireland is seriously unprofitable at the moment and they don’t exist to provide customers with low cost or free banking. They exist to provide a commercial service while making a profit for their shareholders which curiously includes us as taxpayers.
      When all of our Banks ultimately return to that position then we will have a clear signal that all is well in our economy. Indeed we can but hope that we get some of the money back that we were forced to provide them.
      Please advise as to why this behaviour is anything but correct.

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  • What were the bank to do? Default on the bonds and have their credit rating cut? That would serve only to increase their cost of borrowing, with inevitable increases in the price of retail banking. Also, the bank is not in Irish Government control, the state only has a stake in it. Do you recommend that all big companies that the state has a stake in default on their debts? The bullshit that is talked on this site by people with little or no idea of how the system works is getting wearing.

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    • i think most people understand perfectly well how the “system works”.
      The problem is the system was designed to work that way, so that the elite minority can continue to prosper even in times of global recession. Can you get your head around that?

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    • Ultan did you not see the part that said UNSECURED bond holders ? These bond holders took a gamble, the gamble didn’t work out but they still get their money back. Funny old world isn’t it? Can’t see Paddy Powers, Boylesports or any other bookie handing back the stake on a losing bet, can you?

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    • go lie down sir cos we all know how the system works and the fact is were done playing there way time to default and see what the other side is like cos its about time we brought down some of these bastard bondholders with us

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  • the state only owns 15% of BoI.

    what is the problem with this payment to bondholders? Is the Journal trying to get people who are too thick to understand the facts (or too lazy to try to) all hot under the collar?

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