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Colm McCarthy: Irish bank debt was incurred “under threats” from ECB

The UCD economist said that no other eurozone country has taken on the kind of bank-related debt that Ireland took on – and warned that it may not be sustainable.

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UCD ECONOMIST COLM McCarthy has said that Ireland’s multi-billion bank debt burden was taken on by the State “under threats” from the European Central Bank.

McCarthy also warned that no other eurozone member took on the kind of bank-related debt that Ireland took on – and that Irish taxpayers and bondholders are bearing the brunt of the repayments.

In the Sunday Independent today, the economist behind the Bord Snip Nua report said that the ECB needs to recognise the significant difference between debt accumulated in the normal course of events by countries and debt incurred from taking on the burden of the banks.

“Commissioner [Oli] Rehn and his colleagues in the Commission effect not to understand that not all debts are created equal,” McCarthy wrote today.

“There are objections to at least a portion of the bank-related debt now carried on the books of the Irish Exchequer that are in the nature of moral or ethical objections, arising from the circumstances in which the debts were created”.

He said that part of the Irish debt was incurred “under duress and inappropriately, under threats from the European Central Bank”.

“The losers are not just Irish taxpayers. Traditional holders of Irish sovereign debt have also been disadvantaged, queue-jumped by unguaranteed bondholders in private banks, which have already been closed down,” said McCarthy.

“No other eurozone member has incurred bank-related debt under ECB duress”

He added:

There are no provisions in the Maastricht Treaty, in the Stability and Growth Pact or in any other pact or international treaty which grant this power to the ECB, nor was any eurozone member state ever asked to acccede to such an arrangement.

The government is due to make a €3.1 billion payment towards the Anglo promissory notes at the end of this month.

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Comments (42 Comments)

  • As much as I despise the way McCarthy treats our livelihoods and services as figures on ledgers to be balanced and rounded down, he is speaking the truth here and showing that this debt is not only unsustainable but immoral.

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  • Keep talking Mr McCarthy!
    And don’t let the bastards grind you down

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    • Ciaro 18/03/12 #

      If what he says is true, and I reckon it is, it is yet another reason to vote no to the fiscal compact. Let’s call Europe’s bluff!

      What pisses me off about McCarthy is that he drip feeds information to the public while offering no solutions. It’s really annoying.

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  • Eggers 18/03/12 #

    It was but remember that Lenihan and Cown also made it extra toxic by taking one for the team but deciding to pay extortionate rates to do so. There are some queries by financial commentators in Europe that they did not negotiate the punishing interest rates and negative terms in return for the EU not investigating the going on’s in Anglo, as quiet a substantial no. of cabinet ministers and FF back benchers had excellent loan terms from that bank, never mind the other corruption therein.

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    • U hit a very big nail on the head there. I wonder how many other political party members here availed of excellent “loan thems” ? This goes a long way to explain why politicians here are bending over backwards to accommodate the EU.at every level & why many are being quiet. It has to be a large part of the reason why things are being done the way they are.

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    • skeolawn 18/03/12 #

      @Eggers: that is interesting. Can you provide a source for that information?

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    • Oh my God Colm!!

      After 4 long years of getting paid to blame us for this mess and telling us to take our beating.

      You’re not speaking up for the Irish people now are you Colm?

      It’s a bit late now.

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  • Morgan Kelly has stated all this before!
    Please come back Morgan, we need more of your thoughts!

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  • The Cowen-Lenihan disastrous bank guarantee was given without consulting either other EU finance ministries or the ECB. That guarantee is at the root of the sovereign debt burden. An unnecessary self-inflicted wound. Because no minutes were kept of the fateful meeting that night, the taxpayer is in the dark about what influences were at play. Only in Ireland…

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    • Eggers 18/03/12 #

      Don’t be fooled about the guarantee. It wasn’t decided in the middle of the night. It was agreed in the weeks leading up to it, when FF cabinet ministers were regularly meeting Anglo officials.

      The night time scenario was just to bounce the greens in to it, avoid a public debate. It was stage managed politics.

      Lets not pretend anymore that it was anything spontaneous but when all evidence shows it was not.

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    • Reg 18/03/12 #

      And do you remember how full of themselves these two were in the following days? Thought they had pulled a fast one on the rest of Europe. One of them is dead, the other should be in jail.

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    • You’re dead right eggers.
      The whole tale surrounding the ‘bank guarantee weekend’ is one of the greatest Irish works of fiction. No matter how incompetent the then government, DoF & Central Bank were, it is not plausible to suggest that they were not aware weeks, if not months, before hand that this was coming down the road.

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    • You are exactly right, eggers

      Remember we were told by Cowen and Co we “didnt want to end up like Iceland”

      Today, Iceland is back borrowing in the markets and is doing well

      Meanwhile, here in Irelalnd, there is talk of us needing a 2nd bailout!

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  • I am struggling enough paying my mortgage, without having to pay Seanie Fitzpatrick’s gamling debts as well

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  • i think it’s beyond time all the bond holders were named. we deserve, and the rest of the world ought, to know just who it is that’s taking us for billions! i also think it wud give us a better footing for any negotiations going on! let’s just see how many have gmbh or srl after their name and see who it is the irish taxpayers are propping up and the ecb are forcing us to “save”!

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    • Unfortunately it doesn’t matter if the bond holders are Mercedes, VW or Siemens pension funds, they have already been paid back and it’s the ECB/EU who are extracting the pound of flesh now, if we threaten default they threaten to turn off the money tap
      I’d rather call their bluff than suffer this slow death by austerity.

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  • If we are taking the brunt of it then its because of our spineless politicians. Kenny and Co made too many promises about standing up for us…and renaged on all of them.

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    • Not another Cent we were told,
      It’s be Labour’s way, not Frankfurt’s way we were told.

      In retrospect – did we really really deep down believe them?
      FF, FG, Labour – they are all really the same establishment.

      It will take four years before we see real change in this country, unless Labour implode, doubt it though, bunch of spineless beardy good for nothing whiners. (Yeah, count Joan Burton in there too)

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  • Ciaro 18/03/12 #

    He’s back! Mr Colm Mccarthy, professor of stating the fucking obvious!
    We’re all saved!

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    • It’s good to hear the establishment figures stating the truth.
      It beats the like’s of Mick Noonan talking about rocket economies, or Burton’s Orwellian double speak re the unemployed.

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    • Ciaro, you’re missing the point of Colm writing a column on the so called “obvious”. At this stage the Irish people have conceded that anyone is listening to us, however, if more people like Colm were doing what he is today we may be some bit closer to being taken notice of. Certain people in certain positions are very hard to ignore!

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  • Amazed at how gradually the people in the establishment get it. We ordinary folk knew it all the time, we should not be burdened by the debt of a speculators bank. Time for our national leaders to get it as well.

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  • How many shares did the inner circle of Fianna Fail have in Anglo on the day the guarantee was agreed? A lot of the activity by stockbrokers on that day or week before the guarentee could be interesting reading as Quinn and all his friends as well as FF members were all caught. Cowen and Lenehin families must have been buying shares. A whistle blower in Davy stockbroker could save the country if he had the courage by revealing the sales figures as well as the purchases for a certain period before and after the guarantee.

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  • There hasn’t been any accountability in the state the Berties and Bouchers and johnny ronans of this world still walk around and are still cleaning up from the carcass with no conscience Sean Fitzpatrick and Dunn riding high on the system and NAMA another quango of untouchables protecting and harbouring the vested interests it’s a joke there is no justice in this country at all just find a departure gate because the political class have no interest in the people that elected them and they don’t care a debate in the dail on mortgage debt they couldn’t be bothered to turn up

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  • When all else fails, tell the truth!
    Now the question: What is to be done about it? How many arms must be broken and backs cracked before things are set right again?
    is it possible there will be a SF government by 2016?

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  • “The cheapest bank bailout in history” is a major reason to vote against the compact treaty. Time to call the ECB bluff. We were told that we were “fortunate” to be in the Euro when Iceland hit the skids. Do we still think that now they have devalued the krona and are back in the financial markets ?

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  • Good man Colm McCarthy for telling the truth, the only man willing to stand up to the eu. It is really time to leave the eu, and set up a new currency for the country. The EU has been good for us, but it is now bullying us, into paying this huge bank debt, which Colm McCarthy says is unsustainable, so why continue paying it, an burdening our descendants with it? We got good things out of the eu but now it is time for Ireland to break free from it after 40 years. I think that we should leave in 2013, when it will be 40 years, since we joined the eu. It is time for a change, because the eu is not treating us very well, now. We could organise our own currency now, and get in set up in preparation for our departure from the eu. I bet that nearly all the politicians in the dail had shares in Anglo, particularly the fine fail, and fine gael gael ones, and that is the reason that they are panicking now, and why they want to please the eu, and the reason also that they don’t want the people to vote no, well they can just FUCK OFF! Must be why they are using scare tactics to get us to pay the house tax too! We are like a country in chains, the chains being this big private bank debt, which is ridiculous.

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    • Sarah, the problem is not the ‘EU’ as such, rather the disastrous design & financial coup d’etat of the banksters that is the Euro shared currency. Maybe that’s what you meant?

      As Colm suggests in more terms, what the Euro authorities did by various threats amounts to nothing less than robbery of the Irish people to cover up the fraud & swindling of the banking system.

      And it’s not just the €30 billion of ‘promissory notes’ – money created from nothing to bail bankrupt Anglo, that they now demand we ‘pay back’ with +real+ money – there’s at least another €65 billion of debt been been forced on us which is entirely due to similar EU (& some elsewhere) fraud & swindling for which we are not responsible. (Figure according to economist Constantin Gurdgiev.)

      This is all ‘odious’ debt by internationally recognised legal definition. (The same legal principal which the US itself invoked when it invaded Iraq & took responsibility for its administration. The debts of Sadam’s regime were declared null & void – ‘odious’.)

      The ‘fiscal compact’ treaty amounts to similar robbery of Ireland’s future. Permanent austerity/poverty/debt enslavement for the many, increasing wealth for the few at the top.

      Unless the Euro is thoroughly reformed & stringent banking regulation introduced, we should leave (but remain in the EU alongside others like the UK etc that retain their sovereign currency).

      The first step to demanding fundamental reform is to vote NO in the fiscal compact referendum.

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  • Ciaro 19/03/12 #

    Mike, good comment. Something has to change, we can protest about the household charge but the money will be raised elsewhere if we don’t pay it, therefore the protest is somewhat futile.
    We can take to the streets, however only violent protest will effect change and no-one wants that to happen.
    We can vote NO to the fiscal compact, there will be repercussions but I think that Europe need us more than we need them.
    Look at Greece, the country is a total basket case and is likely to need financial assistance for 30 years! They are dragging down Europe but instead of kicking them out they have got more and more money. Why?
    The wording of the fiscal compact was designed so the we didn’t need a referendum, why?
    Because Europe need us in the family and will do what it takes to keep us in.

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  • Eggers and Declan in case you were wondering how many more of them that had loans from anglo try the whole ruling establishment and lets not forget the judges and barristers accountants ,can people imagine the fall out in the political elite had that bank gone under, mass resignations across the board

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  • We may have huge problems but they are money problems we don’t need murderers and phsycopaths running Ireland – I have some sympathy with the protestant people of northern Ireland when they see SF being rewarded for killing women and children with their bombs. Yes we are supposed to move on but I doubt if the Germans would elect the Hitler youth into power.

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    • Amen to that, Frank2521. Time will tell if we will learn more about the backroom dealings.

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    • Oh well then–money problems. No worries, Frank. No worries.

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    • Did you have the same sympathy with the B -Specials beaten law abiding men , women and children off the streets of Derry and Belfast, when catholic people were second class citizens in there own country looking for 1 man 1 vote a basic fundamental right of any democracy at least Sinn Fein stand up for there voters were the fuck is Bertie Fianna fail Republican party my fucking arse and the rest. At lest The IRA met fire with fire Fine gale is meeting the ECB with yes sir no sir we will do anything you say sir.

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