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'I was afraid of everything': How being a scaredy cat led David O'Doherty to pen books for children

We chatted to the comedian and illustrator about their new book.

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“I’M PIPPA O’CONNOR and this is my husband, what’s your name?”

When you interview a comedian, you prepare yourself for jokes. So when TheJournal.ie sits down with David O’Doherty and illustrator Chris Judge to chat about their latest book, Danger Really is Everywhere: School of Danger, we have prepared for a bit wackiness.

Only perhaps we didn’t expect getting to watch O’Doherty pretend to be blogger Pippa O’Connor, while roping in Judge to play her husband Brian Ormond.

“Brian and I discovered the secrets of living beautifully and I just thought I’d share them,” says O’Doherty – er, we mean Pippa – of his book.

“You know what I mean, like, people say it’s a book but I look at it more like – you know the ark from Raiders of the Lost Ark? Like that’s how big it is and if people look at it who aren’t qualified to learn those secrets, their faces melt off.”

A minute later, the pair have become Greystones brothers the Happy Pear.

“Well, as the Happy Pear guys we have delighted in bringing nutritious cooking to people,” says O’Doherty, as Judge flexes his muscles, “and also appearing in the nip a lot of the time really early in the morning on Snapchat or whatever – it’s just, I feel our civil duty really more than anything.”

And with that, they’re back as David O’Doherty and Chris Judge: comedian and illustrator, friends – not foes – and authors of a series of children’s books about an easily scared man.

Together, they’ve authored three books in the Danger is Everywhere series about a ‘dangerologist’ called Docter (sic – this guy didn’t go to any medical school) Noel Zone who’s scared of everything, and then some.

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Scaredy cats

It turns out that under the jokes and japes, the origin of the Danger is Everywhere series lies in O’Doherty and Judge’s childhoods, during which they both admit they were absolute scaredy cats.

“I was scared of everything,” says O’Doherty. Judge, too, says he was of a nervous disposition. “My younger brother was really brave and I was a wimp,” he says. “So it was nice to meet another child scaredy cat.”

Noel Zone is “a part of both of us certainly, because he’s worried about everything”, says O’Doherty.

He is the person who’s going ‘don’t touch that, that could fall off the edge’ – but he’s taken that to the nth degree, like ‘don’t eat a sandwich on the loo because a shark could come out of it’.

Through Zone’s madcap adventures, where he imagines scary things like a snake shaped like a toothbrush, or a squirrel who steals credit card details, the pair are able to turn fear and anxiety into something that is, ultimately, quite preposterous.

Their books give different things to the reader, depending on their age. ”I feel if three four-year-olds read this book, they’re like ‘what, sharks that come out of the loo, agh’. But then once you start to develop that critical mindset when you’re probably about five or six, then you’re like’ oh this man is a wally’.”

Sharing fears

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For their live shows, they invite their young fans to share their fears too. Chris draws the illustrations while O’Doherty goes around the audience with a microphone, “Jerry Springer-style” chatting to them.

“We ask the audience always what are they scared of, and Chris draws pictures,” says O’Doherty. The fears have included sellotape and ladybirds.

“There’s something vaguely cathartic about saying these things out loud and then just basically mocking fear itself,” says O’Doherty.

He recalls a time when he helped a more scared person than him by removing a daddy longlegs from the family loo with a pint glass. “And I remember it being very empowering for a terrified kid to have one thing, to have that sort of perspective given,” he recalls.

We’ve tried to write loads of stupid jokes in a book, but I think there is a deeper thing of something about fear. So it was in the context of being terrified I thought it would be fun to write a book about a man who is even more terrified about everything than I was.

It’s also, says Judge, a way of noting that there are “stupid adults telling kids to be scared of everything as well”.

As a child, O’Doherty “had an obsession with the horrible death that I was going to have”. A brush with a basking shark on a fishing trip one summer, for example, was turned into Jaws by the time he was back in school.

The pair’s Irish childhoods presented them with some rather odd things to be afraid of.

For example, both men point out that they grew up in the era of moving statues. “It’s something that younger people don’t realise the psychological affect that had, I’m serious, on our generation,” says O’Doherty. “Because like it wasn’t even like it was a pokey documentary on it, it was on the news – it would be like ‘oh today another statue moved’.”

“We were about 11, just going ‘…what?’” recalls Judge.

“You know, everything we know about science, and physics, that’s all wrong because statues are magic, it turns out,” adds O’Doherty. “Just some blood came from a statue’s eye, not to worry.”

dr noel

Judge became absorbed in comic books as a young boy, paving the way for his illustrating career (he’s also responsible for the children’s book series The Lonely Beast), while O’Doherty, who has carved out a successful career as a comedian, fell for Roald Dahl and, later, the books of Flann O’Brien.

When writing their books, O’Doherty sends the full document to Judge, who then sets to work on the illustrations. What follows is a period of tweaking, editing and reworking as they meld the writing and illustration together.

The Danger is Everything series has picked up some incredibly dedicated fans. “People are coming to the readings sometimes dressed as the character,” says O’Doherty. “Then we’re experiencing that sort of William Shatner thing where people basically know more than us about it and are sometimes quite angry about the plot holes you could drive a digger through.”

Describes Judge: “‘There’s inconsistencies between book one and three’ – woah.”

“[I say] talk to Chris about that,” says O’Doherty.

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Did they ever save each other from danger? “Chris used to be in a band and that was quite dangerous, so I like to think I saved him from a life in rock and roll… writing children’s books. I’m so sorry,” says O’Doherty.

Judge shrugs. “I could have got electrocuted or… who knows.”

Certainly nothing worse than what Docter Noel could dream up.

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    Dec 7th 2018, 1:31 PM

    There obviously must be some truth to it. I had a new hard drive stolen from my baggage on flight back from Boston years some years ago. I’m still bitter. It happens at every airport along with stealing entire bags from carousels. Hidden cameras + metal detectors for employees entering and leaving together with aggressive prosecution are the best deterrents. You could say that it indicates a lack of trust in the employees but you could also say that locking your front door in the morning indicates a lack of trust in society. It doesn’t mean it’s not the sensible option.

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    Dec 7th 2018, 1:45 PM

    @Sean: All staff in the airport go through security in and out. However it is airport rather than company security.
    Cameras are already installed in most locations in the airport. Catering, baggage handling, duty free bind stores, even the trucks bringing the stuff to the aircraft.
    The issue wasn’t the cctv installation, it was the insinuation that there are “millions” going missing. Where is this figure from? Over how long a timeframe? How does it compare to other large organizations? 4500 staff, is it 10%, 5% or 1% behaving badly? Let’s say it’s 5%, that’s under 250 ppl responsible for at least Eur4000 pilferage/theft each.

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    Dec 7th 2018, 2:17 PM

    @GinandJetfuel: nobody goes through the same security screening when the leave the airport as they do entering it. Screening bags leaving the airport could make a difference. You can’t go aorund making accusations like this even if they have proof of theft from duty free etc, it’s on an individual basis but it goes on everywhere in every industry. It was a ridiculous comment from management and well handled by the union. Expect a revolt from staff over this and rightly so.

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    Dec 7th 2018, 2:29 PM

    @Peter O Donnell: okay the below is taken from a US story in 2015. Quite clearly not screening all workers is cost driven. How does Ireland compare?

    The vast majority of airport employees with direct access to the tarmac and airplanes do not go through any daily security screening, and only two of the country’s major airports have systems in place that require all employees with secure access to pass through metal detectors….
    The TSA identified workers with access to secure areas of airports as one of the greatest potential threats to aviation…
    The report said costs for full screening of airport and airline employees could range from $5.7 – $14.9 billion for the first year of implementation.

    Source: https://www.cnn.com/2015/02/02/us/airport-security-investigation/index.html

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    Dec 7th 2018, 2:37 PM

    @Sean: Every single staff member and car/van/truck etc are screened before entering Dublin airport, also bags, cargo etc are all checked. You can’t link an American report for Irish Airports

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    Dec 7th 2018, 3:52 PM

    @Sean: oh dear. Forget America man. This is Ireland. Try get through airport security in Ireland or any European international airport without detection. You won’t get far. Its much easier to bring stuff back in than it is to bring stuff out. Hence my point regarding re screening after duty.

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    Dec 7th 2018, 4:10 PM

    @GinandJetfuel: my bag was delivered out to a another customer and then returned to baggage lock up. An employee of baggage was able to describe my bag to me in detail and told it would be brought to my home next day. 3 days on – no sign of bag. Now told not there. Went to Dublin airport spent one hour trying to talk to baggage dept – you have to call from a phone on a wall in main terminal. No idea where my bag had gone , or which employee had transported to the other customer – my name, address was clearly marked on case. 5 months to get letter from A.L. for my private insurance Co. When you call baggage you are actually talking to someone in India despite the fact they say they are in Dublin. Total shambles of a Dept. Yes call a spade a spade and name the Dept at fault !

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    Dec 7th 2018, 8:16 PM

    @Sean: aerlings staff didn’t steal your stuff

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    Dec 7th 2018, 1:15 PM

    Really shows you the level of respect senior management has for its worker bees ..

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    Dec 7th 2018, 4:51 PM

    @Is Mise jay: well paid worker bees who occasionally steal stuff.

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    Dec 7th 2018, 1:36 PM

    So wait, stuff isn’t going missing?

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    Dec 7th 2018, 1:45 PM

    @Dave O’Keeffe: ah it is yeah but sure few cans be grand

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    Dec 7th 2018, 4:12 PM

    @Dave O’Keeffe: yes all the time- Baggage Dept a shambles !!!

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    Dec 7th 2018, 1:15 PM

    Well done Forsa!

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    Dec 7th 2018, 2:17 PM

    Why is he apologising? He’s the CEO of Aer Lingus, not Independent News & Media. He has no responsibility for what headlines they decide to print.

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    Dec 7th 2018, 2:31 PM

    @jacquoranda: cos it was an internal memo that got leaked which he had presumably approved it should have had some knowledge of i would imagine.

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    Dec 7th 2018, 2:55 PM

    @jacquoranda: the organisation’s executive calls its staff thieves… would you expect an apology, at a minimum, for an unsubstantiated claim like this against yourself?

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    Dec 7th 2018, 4:13 PM

    @Pilib: unfortunately some of are ! Had the experience myself with baggage dept

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    Dec 7th 2018, 1:15 PM

    T’was the Tooth Fairy ..

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    Dec 7th 2018, 1:49 PM

    @Picture This: hey…!!!! I’m innocent..!!!

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    Dec 7th 2018, 4:08 PM

    I left a bag which contained an item of clothing and chocolates for my family on board an Aerlingus flight from Amsterdam to Dublin back in December 2014. I absolutely knew I left the bag in the over head locker and I was certain I would get it back but when I rang the Aerlingus lost and found department there was no sign of my bag. I could not believe it! I was genuinely shocked. Not shocked about this announcement though!

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    Dec 7th 2018, 5:05 PM

    @Geralyn Early: I left a laptop on a plane and got it back no problem! Doesn’t happen all the time.

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    Dec 7th 2018, 5:54 PM

    @Sean Oige: Never said it happens all the time but I was very disappointed that I did not get this bag back as it was Christmas time.

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    Dec 7th 2018, 9:31 PM

    @Geralyn Early: could it have been a fellow passenger who took it?

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    Dec 8th 2018, 9:31 AM

    @Deborah Blacoe: That is possible but I would imagine that rarely happens. Anyway. I only thought about that bag again when this news story broke.

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    Dec 7th 2018, 4:38 PM

    Never had a problem with Aer Lingus. Always a good experience on 100+ flights.

    There’s an airport, not in Ireland, that I always have issues with when I transfer around this time of year, no matter which carrier I fly with.

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    Dec 7th 2018, 1:24 PM

    The whole story then was just the senior management flying a kite…

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    Dec 7th 2018, 1:31 PM

    @iComment: expensive kite

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    Dec 7th 2018, 4:48 PM

    Well Santy has to get his goodies from somewhere

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    Dec 8th 2018, 2:33 PM

    all the staff were not responsible only a few, like the time only some staff were smuggling people into the country.

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