Yeah, and the gun lobby will now say that if the manager had a gun himself it wouldn’t have happened.

The world is gone bonkers..

People here have no idea about the gun laws in the US so I wish they’d stop talking rubbish. This Irish sheep mentality is sickening. Try getting your information from somewhere other than perez hilton.

All these shootings are caused by too many guns Conor. End Of

Conor, please clarify your point.

@Gastrophase – well if the manager had a firearm, surely his chances would have been better than the end result that happened today?

David, if you could send them to sinead@thejournal.ie, that would be great. Cheers. We’ll credit you and your friend.

there are pictures in the reddit link posted below.

Photo here:
http://i.imgur.com/YjAOI.jpg

Because we are so smart on this side of the water, right? I work on Dame street and I’ve seen three bomb squad vans fly down the road with sirens blaring so far this week. Nice, peaceful emerald isle eh? Don’t kid yourself.

Canada has pretty much so the same gun laws but have even less school shootings than Europe. So it has very little to do with gun laws or brain cells. All of these incidents that happen in the US are more to do with failed social and healthcare systems.

With all due respect to the King, how many have been killed or injured by the IEDs?
In America, 100,000 are shot every year. In addition, 11,000 homicides and 17,000 suicides by gun.
So I’ll take your bloody IEDs. Nobody walks into a pub with an IED and demands all the receipts.
Nobody goes into a school or theatre with an IED and kills a score or more. Can’t remember the last time someone stuck an IED in my ribs and demanded my wallet.
Yeah. Give me your IEDs. You can have my loony gun-hobbyists. 13 days and I’ll be in Ireland for good, and the yanks can slaughter each other all they want.

@Seamus – I wonder have you seen first hand the devastation an IED causes? My point is that there is an increasing number of them being used in Ireland now. It is only a matter of time before one goes off and innocent people are killed. You can’t reason with an IED but you’ve got a better chance of surviving with fella who has a gun pointed at you.

As regards mugging, replace gun with knife…exact same situation, you will get robbed and there is huge potential to lose your life.

Your statistics are meaningless because you have to take into account population and also the social circumstances. Ireland and the US are worlds apart in both cases.

Maybe you should go up North or talk to a few of the survivors of the Dublin/Monaghan bombings and tell them how you would prefer an IED any day.

Gaggsy you are just being Stupid, nobody is suggesting that children carry guns but I’m sure if someone opened fire on yours, you would give anything to bring them back and the fact that you didn’t carry protection would haunt you for the rest of your life.

@Ephen.
Shooting the killer brings them back? Well in that case, I’ll have 2 handguns and an assault rifle please.

Kevin; its called justice and unless you issue it, the courts will not and 9 times out of 10 they will be freed to do it to somebody else and we have plenty of proof of that scenario. It is about stopping them doing it again. You can’t be that dim. !

Ephen. What type of place do you inhabit if you need a gun to go out with your family? I don’t imagine there is such a place. I’ll hedge my bets on you being fed lies spread by gun lobbyists.

It’s far too easy for any whack job to get a gun in the US, there’s no denying that.

The weapon used doesnt matter . with the worlds econnomy in the state it is , losing a job in todays world is a very devestating thing to all aspects of life . I am not ! saying that what kthis man did is justifyed , but attention to the facters that caused his disgracefull actions must be a top priority or this will undoubtably happen again and even more frequently.

Well, it’s kinda hard to tell. But from what I gathered, somebody, with a gun, shot some other people, and is now dead. This is purely all guess work on my part though.

I can add some more details. What happened is:

THE NEW YORK Police Department has confirmed that several people have been shot outside the Empire State Building in Manhattan this morning.

A spokesperson told TheJournal.ie that investigations were underway and more information would be available shortly.

The Associated Press is now reporting that the suspect shooter is dead and up to four civilians have been wounded.

The shooting occurred at 34th Street and Fifth Avenue. Gunshots were heard at 9am by people arriving to work in local offices.

An eye-witness who works at a nearby office told TheJournal.ie that a number of blocks have been closed off and the body of a man is lying outside a building on West 33rd Street, between Fifth and Sixth Avenue, near the Empire State Building.

There continues to be a heavy police presence at the scene.

Anything more and I’d have to make it up.
I hope this helps.

Much better to live in Ireland with multiple daily IEDs

Its mad I was reading after Colorado incident some comments on an american site and a lot of people were suggesting that less gun regulations which would allow all people to carry concealed weapons would allow them to stop these shootings as they in turn could shoot the shooter before he gets going?? Its CRAZY

If the Americans started to tell us what laws Must change, we would tell them where to go, so stop interfering in the laws of another country. Goodness knows we can’t manage our own.

Ephen, go troll elsewhere!

Ephan, you incorrectly stated the gun control laws of Ireland earlier. Educate yourself before you start telling the Irish what their laws are.

There is no simple fact. It is unfortunate that in this country, the vast majority of people who want and need to protect themselves are not “allowed” by law while a small vicious minority rule, oblivious to any law. There is however a “simple” fact in nature and that is Kill or be Killed.

Worry bout your own side of the Atlantic so…

I’d say anyone on the street at the time would disagree about the “terror-related” part.

Yeh, you wouldn’t see this sort of thing happen anywhere else.

Oh wait. You would.

Is Norway a joke too?

I agree. Their gun laws are outrageous. You would rarely see this happen anywhere in Europe. Norway was a freak incident. The Americans really need to clamp down because the more this stuff happens (Colorado etc) the more it seems to spawn more madmen.

you know it’s true. there are lunatics everywhere as we all know. easier access to guns in america

New York has some of the strictest gun laws in the USA – in a lot of ways comparable to European gun laws – so it’s not reasonable to compare it with the events in Colorado.

Strict gun laws or not Conor it is very easy to get yourself a gun in the states.

Matt your a joke, what an idiotic statement. I live in NY and it’s one of the safest cities in the country. Get out of your local parish and see the world so you won’t be making stupid comments like that

It very much depends on where you are. It’s trivial to get a gun in some states, but in places like New York City, Washington DC and Boston the gun laws are pretty much the same as we have here in Europe.

Gun violence in the US is as much a cultural issue as it is an issue of the availability of firearms. There are several countries around the world with very high gun ownership (not as high as the US, granted, but still high) where the number of gun crimes are much lower than the US.

To solve the gun crime issues they have in the US they need to solve the cultural issues AND the availability of firearms to people who are unsuitable to own them. There’s no point trying to constrain the availability of guns without tackling the underlying reasons why people use them on each other.

Hi all,

Can we please refrain from the name-calling and insults please? Let’s keep it on-topic and away from the personal.

Thanks
S

NY laws in regards to guns are some of the strictest in the country. They smuggle guns up for the south where gun are more easily available. Just cause I know more about the laws here doesn’t make me a moron. Fair play, 6 months in Australia. Wow, good job

Good bless our cousins in America

Wow ken you live in NY. You must be so cool and cosmopolitan . My hero. Condescending pr##k.

NY laws in regards to guns are some of the strictest in the country. They smuggle guns up for the south where gun are more easily available. Just cause I know more about the laws here doesn’t make me a moron. Fair play, 6 months in Australia. Wow, good job. I’m not saying I’m cool cause I live here you’re saying that cause you don’t.

It’s easy to get a gun in the US – depending on the state you live in you must just have to DRIVE a little further.

Question: how come ken can openly call me ‘a joke’ and I cannot call him up on being condescending or ignorant which he clearly is?

Double standards

I lived in bogota for a few years but don’t feel the need to go on about it. I dont think people who didn’t live in foreign lands are lesser beings either you imbecile. Now go away.

I wouldn’t talk about bogota either!!! Haha what a moron!!

Oh you’ve been have you? Lived in Chicago too and felt safer in bogota. Telling other people to leave their parish? Ignoramus. Let’s hope u stay over there….

Stay in your parish china ski , very Irish sounding surname by the way. Chicago wouldnt have ya, neither would bogota. I’m quiet happy here. Why would I wanna go back to that place? Other than visit my sisters I’ve no interest. Enjoy

It’s the constituition needs changing, “the right to bear arms” belongs to a bygone age but the NRA is all?powerful.

Surely they meant a bear’s arms?

I always thought it was the right to wear t-shirts.

Maybe they mean Bare arms that’s ok if you have the weather!

Your argument is the right wing Republican line and the main reason for the present situation.

The obvious and main reason for the current situation is that if it was illegal to carry arms, the criminal classes would be totally free to shoot You and the law would not protect you or give them a proper sentence and we see that every single day in our laughable court/justice system. You get 6 months for not having a TV licence and the same for rape, now go away a think about that. As I will be the first to know if I am being attacked I should and will in my case, carry some protection.

Tut tut Ephen.

Some Republican made a similar claim in relation to the Colorado shootings. “If only some other movie-goer was armed then maybe they could have shot the killer”. Fantastic logic. An open gun fight in a cinema. The Wild West days are gone. We don’t need gunslingers.

Not to mention that the killer was in food body armour and a helmet.

I wonder, if there are more shootings of innocent civilians in the US, will they be phased by it in the future? Will it become ‘just one of those things’. A price to pay for ‘freedom’.

Yep, if everyone just made sure that they always carry a knife with them we’d all be safer.

I want my kids to grow up in a country where they can bring lethal weapons to school so that they can protect themselves. I might write a song about it.

OK then you may as well go out and bend down and take it because if you don’t think you are worth protecting, then you deserve whatever you get.

Ephan, I can’t think of a single mass shooting in the US, and there have been hundreds of them, where a citizen jumped up, cocked his glock and put an end to it, thus saving dozens of lives. It just doesn’t happen. The proof, as they say, is in the pudding, and that “we need more guns to protect us from all the nuts with guns” argument is falling on deaf ears.
Instead, what the 200 MILLION guns in America have wrought is blood on the tracks. Hundreds of thousands have been shot. Hundreds of thousands have been murdered by guns. Hundreds of thousands have taken their own lives. And yet, the number of times a gun in the hands of a private citizen has actually done any good or stopped a crime, is very, very small.
Use your common sense.

Ephen, I don’t buy the argument that if everyone carries a gun it will be a safer place or you will be able to protect yourself from a shooter. How do you explain a armed police officer getting shot and killed as happens over here on numerous occasions.
Now I can understand a person keeping a gun in their home to protect themselves from intruders or carrying one on their person or in their vehicle while they are out but I can imagine that it’s very difficult to protect yourself from a random shooter. It’s something that happens in a small space of time that leaves you with no chance to react.
Last year a park warden in washington state (who was armed) was shot dead by a man who pulled up and asked for directions. As simple as that.
So when a law enforcement officer who has been trained in the use of firearms and trained to react still gets killed how do you think the average person on the street will do?

Ephen, you better do the bending, because there is no way we are having relaxed gun laws here. Its plainly obvious that Americans have high gun deaths because of too many guns – its no good saying its societies fault – just remove as many of the guns as you possibly can so unstable people have as restricted access to guns as possible

I have to argue with you Seamus.
I’m read in the paper that a man named John McClane rescued a load of people from the Nakatomi Plaza using a handgun and an uzi. Those are the facts, as I’m sure Ephen will back me up. He was caught up in a very similar situation in an airport. Unlucky guy.

Declan, thank you for your correct observation. You are absolutely correct and that is my point every one seems to be missing. Its not that you will save many but it gives you a slim chance as opposed to none to protect yourself. Its not as some idiots are saying, about opening fire in a cinema and engaging in a gunfight its about your personal survival and those you care for. You must protect yourself otherwise you will pay the ultimate price while the courts debate the rights of the person who took you out.

It gives very little away, as there is very little to report by the looks of it, hence the more updates to follow quote.

I’m sure Sinead OCarroll will look into her crystal ball and ask Mystic Meg what’s going on.
Just for you.

It only happened a few minutes ago. Wtf do you expect them to report?

Well it’s breaking news so details are probably sparse . Not sure how it could be a misunderstanding though ?

I live in NY and the news reports coming in are that it was a disgruntled worker who had an argument with a co-worker, he then shot his co-worker and innocent by-standers, one of whom died he then turned the gun on himself up to 10 people have been shot!

Thanks for the information Marion.

Terrible news. I hope the injured will be okay.

Well Journal.ie is right on it anyways guys, that’s the exact info been giving out on the news now.

Conspiracy theorist much- 911 inside job nutbag

Yes indeed. You are free to murder each other by the dozens every week.

what is this freedom you speak of? serious question. take a deep breath before you answer please and thank you

Hi Hubert; if you read my comment again you will see that I flipantly refer to Freedom as “so called” and thank You for your reply. Real Freedom has to be clawed back at every opportunity. It is a constant battle and always has to be taken as you can’t give it but you can respect it.

^^ Please don’t give this man a gun! ^^