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Five ITs in ‘advanced’ discussions on technological university

Institutes in Athlone, Dundalk, Galway-Mayo, Letterkenny and Sligo confirm their hopes to form a common university.

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THE HEADS of five Institutes of Technology from the Border, Midlands and West region have confirmed they are at an “advanced stage” in talks to establish a common ‘technological university’.

The Presidents and senior staff from ITs in Athlone, Dundalk, Galway-Mayo, Letterkenny and Sligo are leading the talks on the creation of a ‘BMW Technological University’.

If the talks come to fruition – and the government approves the creation of such a university – the combined institution would be the largest higher education institution in Ireland, with a student body of around 27,000.

Athlone IT president, Professor Ciarán Ó Catháin, said the new body would be “a differentiated institution, one that will be known for the excellence of its teaching and learning, and for its close collaboration with industry.

“Such a technological university will be much more than the sum of its parts, it will be a powerful agent of change in higher education for all the communities and stakeholders involved.”

The university heads say their institutions already have a history of collaboration through the Líonra network, which was created in 1999 to further economic renewal in the BMW region.

A government report published in January 2011 advised against the creation of any further universities in their current form, but did ‘envisage’ amending the definition of a ‘university’ to allow for technological universities to be updated.

Last year Dublin IT, IADT Dún Laoghaire, IT Blanchardstown and IT Tallaght expressed their desire to merge and form a technological university, while Waterford IT has also been lobbying for university status given that there are no universities in the south-east, most likely through a merger with the IT in Carlow.

The news comes on the same day the Irish Times reported that the heads of the seven current Irish universities were due to meet and issue a statement opposing the establishment of a university in the south-east.

Seán Flynn had reported from a confidential discussion paper which outlined the university presidents’ fears that the creation of extra universities would place the sector under even greater funding pressures at a time when it was already under threat.

Government clarifies stance on proposed ‘technological university’ for Waterford

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  • Ciaro 23/01/12 #

    Great idea. A fortune saved by having only 1 Hr, IT, and management team.

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  • Athlone IT, the place which gave a “fulltime” job to someone who already a “fulltime” job at NUIG!

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  • That’s part of the problem every hedge school now looking for university status
    next we will have F A S 10 week courses getting accreditation.
    The more universities the less the value of a degree now a masters is considered normal

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    • Definitely.

      I wouldn’t have too much of a problem with giving Technical University status to WIT and a couple of others, but some of the others are not of university standard. The UK converted all their Polytechnics to Universities in the early 90s. Largely they haven’t bridged the reputation divide and some have found themselves in financial difficulties (e.g. London Metropolitan University) as a result. There needs to be a guarantee that the institutions are ready first.

      In addition, ITs provide a number of important courses that are never going to see a degree awarded. What happens to them? Do they get abandoned so that university status can be claimed? They fill a vital segment in the economy and we can’t really abandon that.

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    • it in Letterkenny is far removed from.a hedge school John..that is a really low remark..have you even.read the article? I livevand work in Donegal..its been forgotten by Dublin and the only bypass wevevseen is the Celtic Tiger bypassing us..wed be better off in NI! good on the IT heads..great forward thinking

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  • That would be great Ireland needs a proper big university dedicated to technology only :D

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  • @Colm Donegal was not mentioned by me or any other town or city.The comment of hedge schools is a general one that makes mention of institutions that feel they have some right to university status.
    Calling a skoda a Volkswagen because it has an engine designed by Volkswagen does not make it a volkswagen The point is that there should be universities of different educational input eg i t commerce law ect not one in every town as it devalues the overall degree.
    I would suggest reading what cardinal Newman wrote on the subject

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    • john..its the hedge school.remark that i took exception to. i simply used where i live and work.as my example as im.familiar with the excellent IT in letterkenny. my point id that Donegal has since the foundation.of the state bern overlooked..in terms of infrastructure. the county remained an unemployment blackspot thru celtic tiger era..there is damn.all improvement in.access to county..without which you cannot attract inward investment. im.a native of dublin.btw..the county is THE most peripheral area of eu..compounded by the large land border with NI and minute land border with home jurisdiction..this project will benefit ALL peripheral areas of state..but obviously wecare not important..esp judging from.noonans remarks. am I rearingv3 children to emigrate..whatever happened to spatial strategy

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  • Ireland has enough universities for a small country. Upgrading these ITs will only dilute the standard of universities

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  • An independent study done 3 or 4 years ago stated that Waterford IT was of a standard that in most OECD countries is of University standard. It’s only vested interests in Cork, Galway & Limerick that has prevented WIT being upgraded several years ago. CIT & DIT are the only other IT’s at the required level, but since Cork & Dublin already have universities, do they need another?

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  • More Universitys more chioce and therefore less points required to do courses. I know a guy who has an A1 higher level history and cannot do a history course in uni because he doesnt have the points. and has to do an extra 3 years of culture and heritage studies before he can do a uni course in it.

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  • Ireland has enough universities and unemployed university graduates…

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  • L.I.T. was recognized by the E.U. as a University Inst. of Technology in 2002. We need Technological Universities in Ireland and as all level 8 degrees have the same recognition across the board now I can’t see what the problem is. Can it be that our universities do not want the competition or is it just eliteism, the same tee-shirt but onlly they must be allowed to have the Ralph Lauren slogan on theirs or is it just snobbery (plain and simple; It was not so long ago when Irish catholics were not considered good enough to grace the halls of Trinity, have we learnt nothing from history.

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  • BMW….really?
    Not very original is it?

    Can I suggest maybe MWB or WMB?

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  • There is a need for a uni in the south east but with all these others places deciding to get on the band wagon there not much point.

    The seven universities have had it good for so long and now that there not getting it there own way there up in arms.

    One more university dedicated to technology would be good for the country and waterford, to have it there where the college is one of the best assets its got due to all the job losses

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  • I think Brendan Howlin is trying the same thing and have a guess in his own back-garden down in the south-east.http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/0123/1224310627145.html Looks like another term for you Howlin if yea get it :(.
    It be a great idea if yea didn’t have the money to splash out to study in Dublin and Great for SML business’s down the country but wouldn’t see it happening too many business’s in Dublin would simply lose money and lobby the government not to allow it.

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  • This will be more than the sum of it’s parts !! What dies that even mean !!?? It’s a survival strategy they can’t do it alone anymore. Some serious redeployment issues tho !!

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