Me too. It was the right decision. Remains to be seen can the govt get the right result from the wrong decision. Note holding my breath on that one

Sorry I mean voting not was the right decision. Can they get the result we need from the wrong result

Why is there no “delete”? :-(

I am proud to have voted no along with my family who also voted no

So am I Glad I voted No and I did so for my Children and future generations. The yes vote will in time be proved to have been all a con just to get MERKEL to Like Kenny again. The yes votes some are genuine and some are just went with the flow and more just felt that the scare tactics were to much and really felt bullied into ticking the. Yes box. TIME is an asset that no-one can take from us and I await the fall out from the Yes Vote

Hahaha, that bit about FG keeping a promise. Classic! Have you any other good ones?!

When did govt say they were not giving any more money to the banks. references please.

They didn’t make any promise on Wednesday. Another example of No Vote idiots who dont know what they’re talking about

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If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you;
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too:
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or, being lied about, don’t deal in lies,
Or being hated don’t give way to hating,
And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise;

If you can dream—and not make dreams your master;
If you can think—and not make thoughts your aim,
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same:.
If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build’em up with worn-out tools;

Rudyard Kipling

Aww can we have a delete/edit button for when stupid things like that happen. – lol

John G mcgrath
But we all know when enda is serious , thats when he puts on his BIG VOICE , and speaks in soundbites.

How can they gain from this treaty?

You mean the 1% who earned 5.7 billion in interest last year on their loose change ! There will be no wealth tax implemented now .

@Susie

The treaty says nothing about not having a wealth tax. Stop spouting crap.
Now as for earning money off loose change. They put that money in a bank, it gets lent out. If we tax wealth then we reduce the amount that can get lent out. Savings are essential for a strong economy. Taxing it will only drive wealth out of this country as the wealthy can more than afford to switch banks.

Wealth tax is a bad idea. Read Bar Stool Economics (its long but if you’ve not read it before its interesting):

Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:

The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3.
The seventh would pay $7.
The eighth would pay $12.
The ninth would pay $18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.

So, that’s what they decided to do. The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve.
“Since you are all such good customers”, he said, “I’m going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20″. Drinks for the ten now cost just $80.
The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes so the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men – the paying customers? How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his “fair share?”
They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody’s share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer. So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man’s bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.

And so:
The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings).
The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33%savings).
The seventh now pay $5 instead of $7 (28%savings).
The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).
The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings).
The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).

Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings.
“I only got a dollar out of the $20,” declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man, “but he got $10!”
“Yeah, that’s right,” exclaimed the fifth man. “I only saved a dollar, too. It’s unfair that he got ten times more than I!”
“That’s true!!” shouted the seventh man. “Why should he get $10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!”
“Wait a minute,” yelled the first four men in unison. “We didn’t get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!”
The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.
The next night the tenth man didn’t show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn’t have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!

And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.

Robert Kelly
That is right the treaty says nothing about a wealth tax . BUT as the referendum has been rejected and the government will be going again with begging bowl and the 1% will not be asked to help out at all,while the rest of us are being taxed to our back teeth ,it follows that the wealthy are set to gain from this treaty. Simples. But do you know hat ? I don’t care any more . There is only so much one can care …. They handed over several billion euros this week already and was there anything said in any of the media outlets ? NO ,There wasn’t. So I don’t care any more. People want to be fleeced while the rich can ignore the reality of what is happening in our society…..

Susie
It clearly emerges that you were a supporter of the NO camp.
Just live with the fact that you people are thankfully in a minority and that common sense and perception prevailed.
Ireland… Move on and up.

Ms Chester my dear. I think you will find that the referendum was not rejected. Rather, the change to the constitution, the sole basis for the referendum, was accepted. I appreciate that yesterday was rather confusing, but it was not the referendum that was rejected, it was your preference.

Wow Scrap Croke Park. You are convinced by a silly analogy like ‘Bar Stool Economics’ ? Just ignore the fact the richest mans wealth was gained from the hard work and sweat of the first four men? Ignore the richest mans wealth is gained by selling to the first nine men? He needs them more than they need him. And it’s only after he’s gone they realise this.

Karswell and stray mutt
Yes I voted no, I am also an active supporter of the campaign against the household charge , which has not gone away , and I am certainly not in any way confused. This referendum was passed due to peoples fear being frightened by the blackmail clause. However the treaty is passed now , and you are right Karswell . It is onwards and upwards ! For the rich and and the wealthy and the greedy….While the rest of us are cutting back on essentials, selling our cars , doing without , falling behind on mortgages…. but don’t you worry , Itis that ”I’m alright Jack ” attitude has us where we are now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpg76VjTa58
Have a look at this ….

Oh Susie, you yourself are the epitome of an “I’m all right, Jack” philosophy. You refuse to accept what the majority of the voting population decided on, you continue to present yourself and those who agree with you as the sole purveyors of truth and political wisdom for the country, and you refuse to engage in open-minded,adult and rational debate. I would suggest a simple solution that would provide you with the authority to speak for the downtrodden and pule; properly engage with the political system and stand for election.

Ha ha … I have already said several times that I have accepted the vote, but I believe it is my duty as a good citizen to protest unfair and unjust laws… As for standing for election , Ha ha , you are trying to flatter me , or worse humor me … I am way too cynical to fall for bs. I was not holding a gun to any ones head , and I only wish I were half as good as you portray me, but alas I am only human :)

I apologise if you misunderstood. If you think I was suggesting that your are a skilled or even competent orator / strategist, then I regret to inform you that such a meaning was not my intention. A level if cunning and duplicity is needed to win and retain political office, as is the need to always exercise “plausible deniability”. A collection of your posts would make interesting reading, but
Such a collection could not be used as an asset.

Ha ha
OOPS !
So John Coniffe and Karswell are one and the same person ….
You had a little slip up there me thinks .
Best laugh of the night.
You are too easy so I am not going to bother . :)

@Susie

I’m not sure I follow when you say the referendum has been rejected. Could you explain more.

I do however agree that in proportion the rich don’t pay their taxes to the extent that the middle class do. But the answer isn’t simply to raise taxes on the rich, but to lower it on the middle class. I mean where does the money go? It goes to the government who very recently proved themselves quite incompetent. Its better for the people for the people to be in control of their money.

There’s always one thing that eludes people when they call for higher taxes which you brought up when talking about the treaty and that’s the fact that the state has a gun to your head when “asking” you to contribute.

Robert
the treaty is passed … Enough already . I am tired . I do not recall saying the treaty was rejected … details please .No Dont bother I am settling in to watch a movie . Time out boys. Go play with Karswell he is two people this evening .

@Susie

Really? You want details, read your first comment in this thread… Don’t be smart, I’m trying to be civil but as always you’re acting like a child. Grow up please

Robert
Really !
I copied and pasted my first comment And nowhere did I say the treaty was rejected
”You mean the 1% who earned 5.7 billion in interest last year on their loose change ! There will be no wealth tax implemented now ” Facts boy , Facts.
So like I said I am watching a movie .

Susie, are you that blinkered… or maybe forgetful? Look at your first post. And while you are at it, at least try to be factual rather than emotional and do your point of view some justice

Yeah Shane Farrell because we all know only the poorest people work hard and that’s how everyone else makes money. Get real

Auntie Populist
Speak up I Can’t hear you….
There was nothing wrong with what I said , in fact it is so true you acan not do anything except to try and dicredit me.
Lol!

I cant wait to see where you go and how you like it there…

Donal, what a load of nonsense. Neo-Colonialism? The EU want our assets? Uninformed rubbish. Were you complaining when EU funds were paying for our infrastructure, our farming grants, our food surpluses?

Best of luck to you Donal, the country will be better off without you and your ilk. I would rather work with people who have ideas on how to move on rather than defeatist people like you and the rest of the red thumb brigade.

They have seven days to take them down…