Having received the badly written information leaflet explaining this charge, I’ve noticed that unemployed people in receipt of council housing do not have to pay. However, unemployed people, not in receipt of council housing, who are paying mortgages, do have to pay. Does anybody else think that this is intrinsically unfair?. Not that I think any unemployed person, or indeed, anybody else should have to pay this gamblers bonus for failure, but if either of these two unemployed people are forced to pay, then I think the one’s that should bear the burden, should be the people who are already being subsidised by the state and not the people who are already paying their way regarding housing themselves.

Household charge will at least double next year. It will be €1000 a year average within 5 years.

They can take their household charge and shove it where the light don’t shine.

So they say this household charge and then the property tax will go to funding the councils provide local services, The council doesn’t provide me with any services apart from water. So when water charges come in which will pay for the water, what will this tax pay for. I pay €1800 a year in management fees the council gives me nothing so why the hell should I pay this tax. Not to mention that I can’t afford it. And to those people going on about debt, bank debts are not my debts. I already am paying a mortgage for my house why should I pay a tax purely for owning a house!!

As I commented in a previous post regarding the riots in Greece.
The Irish, thank god don’t resort to violence.
And we have proven this by merely refusing to register for this menacing tax.
Keep it up.
It is our civil right to object.

Are u on drugs we paid already this is nothing at all to do with local services!!

Great, I’m glad people are not paying this gateway tax. Finally a small show of defiance from the Irish.

don’t register, don’t pay or well be paying it forever and it will be way more than €100. yeah remember that house we encouraged you to buy that’s worth less than you paid for it? we are also gonna tax you for the privilege. enough is enough, we are tax maxed out

The problem with the household charge is not the idea of a household charge but what will you get for your money? It will inevitably go up, some say to about 1000 euro. My road is full of potholes, there is no street lighting and the hedges at the junctions in my locality have to be kept cut back by us so that it is safe to drive on the roads. Does anyone really think that this will change if we pay the household tax? You would have to be very niave to think so I fear. By the by, I’m in favour of water charges. Here’s what your taxes cover in Cardiff: http://www.cardiff.gov.uk/content.asp?nav=2%2C2867%2C3415%2C5949%2C5953

I don’t think that’s quite how this works. Nobody as far as I can tell is suggesting that we should not pay taxes or not pay our debts. People are angry over having to pay the debts of banks which should never have been socialized. I also don’t think David McWilliams is doing the same as Bertie. He was one of a number of economists that suggested things were going to crash and they were told by Bertie to go and commit suicide. I’m not saying that David McWilliams is right, I’m not an economist, but I am suggesting that you are wrong.

I have nothing left to give these muppets. No construction job. No dole. Running out of savings. House worth less than I paid for it. Still paying around 75000 between vat and stamp duty on my mortgage. (pension levy) Stealing from the small pension i put aside. They still have their snouts in our pockets. Can’t take any more guys.

It is my duty as a citizen of this puppet state NOT to pay this bond levy.

If you’ve gone to the householdchargesignup.com (or whatever URL is) you’ll see that it’s really an information gathering exercise so in essence if you sign up, you are paying the Gov €100 to collect info about you. That makes no sense to me!!!!

Ho Ho its off to Prison we go.

You get an invoice today and it states that it is payable by the end of march.
Why on earth would you be overzealous and pay it straight away?
Especially under the pending circumstances!

@angryjoepublic, don’t be an idiot!! How is that septic tank working out for you oh and your well? Oh wait no that’s right you got all that stuff for “free”.

Not paying nothing. The quicker we bring down this scam, the better the prospects for our children.

For the majority of people paying a mortage, we “technically” do not own our property outright, the Banks do!!
Why should we be ripped off again. I am under no illusion that this amount will stay anywhere near 100 annually.

The point that everyone has missed!!!
“it’s not a law!!”
It’s a statute..
And as a statute , your consent is required in order to implement this charge..
If it was law.. You would be obliged to pay it!!
Don’t register, and you’re not giving your consent!!

To all the lets pay the household charge brigade, will it stop at €100 or will it just grow and grow more every year? Does this not bother you? Have you never stood up for yourselves? Have you always bent over and played dead?
And you are correct, this is a democracy so we can object to it, do you all work for the government?

Our state is so bankrupt we pay Enda 200,000 euros all our TDs should receive the average industrial wage with no expenses and no pension without 40 years of employment
then see how many levies they would bring or hospital beds they would close.
Not a cent more enda.

Mick Wallace should pay all his own bills first tosser ,,,how many ppl like me are not in Ireland because of these greedy ppl the should be thrown out of Kildare st ,,, he once told me on a contraction site he would not hire Irish because he felt it was too much hassle I.e. Paying the right wages and benefits go back to the rock you came under from !!!!!!

I’d say Mick Wallace has boycotted a few taxes in his time.

@angryjoepublic I wasn’t moaning just stating fact. If they want to up income tax go for it but don’t pretend we’ll get something for our money because we won’t.

not paying….. no way jose

In Ming we trust!

It’s another makey uppy form of theft. All tax is primarily a theft which people agree to pay. I quote

Theft as defined by Criminal Justice (Theft and Fraud Offences) Act, 2001

4.—(1) Subject to section 5 , a person is guilty of theft if he or she dishonestly appropriates property (money) without the consent of its owner and with the intention of depriving its owner of it.

I don’t wish to be deprived.

I shall not be paying this tax.

@ Mark Rodgers….. It Is a Happy reflection on the Irish People that we have guts to come out and defend our rights and show that we the people of Ireland will not sit back and take anymore B.S. from B.S. Politicians. It Is our CONSTITUTIONAL Right and DUTY to Our Country to Defend IRELAND and I will say it again that there are 95% of householders still have not paid and only 5% have paid looking bad for the B.S. Government

Gas the way nobody gave a bollix when the likes of meself and thousands like me were landed with a property management fee for a self contained house. €400 per annum to a developer driven money spinner. I’d gladly pay €100 a year to assist in the upkeep of my local area but I’ve to pay my MC charge plus the €100 so count yourselves lucky. Just for the record I live in a terraced 3 bed in north Dublin.

if anyone interested, a few of us have got together to oppose this tax, you can find us on Facebook, vampire tax, non political

Mr. Johnson, society has failed, completely. if only people actually listened to the one bit of sense spoken by a politician in years, a message of social solidarity by michael d. of course we have to get caught up in all the inanities and miss the important things. this household ‘charge’ is an affront to any self respecting individual in this country

Does anyone else see something downright crappy by been pontificated to, threatened by and preached austerity to by millionaires who cream millions year in year out from this state with their vast wages, un-vouched expenses and a failure to grasp the reality that we are bankrupt.
Things aren’t the same as the so-called good times and yet politicians still expect large wages and expenses, i’m sure the buddy buddy pay rise Mr Kenny gave his mate a while ago would go along way in filling potholes and maintaining public lighting.
The 17.000 euro+ pay increase to a bloody “super junior minister” would mend a few cracks in the pavements.
They have no empathy or realisation on what Irish policy makers have done to the average household, they are so out of touch.
This rant goes to both sides of the Dail chamber.

@angryjoepublic Why is privilege, which you spelt wrong, in inverted commas?

For Higgins,Daly, Wallace etc. ‘the grand old Duke of York….he marched them up to the top of the hill….
Bin charges all over again. And where are those populist agitators now? Enjoying the fruits of others labours.

Will this shower pay the fines and levies incurred by those susceptible to their unlawful inducement?Chances are that those most likely to fall for their nonsense are the least likely to be able to afford the penalties.

Wouldn’t Wallace be better off paying his own taxes and not trying to get other people to boycott tax!!

Reg, Statute…. You what that is? I’m only pointing out its flawed. Never said I was against it just pointing out its stupidity :) what a Little Country!

Mary I have some news for you. Both technically and legally you own your house no matter what you owe the Bank.
This household charge is levied on the owners of every form of housing unit
and will clearly be increased to reflect values and relative incomes over the next few years. The vast majority of us knew it was wrong to abandon domestic rates back in 1977 in return for electing a Fianna Fail Government.
In many respects our current problems stem from this period and we all have some level of culpability in that regard.
Successive populations of voters elected and reelected those clowns who ultimately sold our sovereignty in return for providing Bertie a third term in office.
Wow!

would somebody tell Luke ‘Ming’ Flanagan its not 1993 anymore? state of him.

I think that I will buy that trailer for us after all. I would make it comfortable, and owning a house, brings alot of stresses as we have found out. How do those scumbags in the dail expect people here to pay all these stealth charges, when their wages are going down each year. Many people may not know this, and I am telling them now, that Pat Cox and his cronies met at the shelbourne hotel, and drank expensive champagne, and eating food at our expense. Will they not be liable for the household tax? They were probably talking about how to screw the people of Ireland for more money. Joe Duffy was saying yesterday, on liveline that this country has got very stalinist, and he was right. I have an article i cut out in the irish times about the wages the politician scumbags get and their advisors, and will iron it and post it, as the people of ireland have a right to know, what they are paying for, after all this is a democracy, or meant to be.

This does my head in. What sort of left-leaning TD opposes a household tax, honestly? We can either have taxes, and social services, or fewer taxes and privitise everything worse than we already are.

Thumbsmack this comment all you like, this campaign is still a bit ridiculous.

How could anybody that examines the picture accompanying this story believe that the gentleman in a pink tee shirt is a member of our National Parliament and that his dress is normal for outdoors in early February. When learning of his recent conviction in the Courts for non payment of employee pension funds how could anyone be convinced by him not to pay a household charge lawfully passed by the Parliament of which he is a member.
This man is an absolute disgrace in terms of this campaign and it is regretful that we do not have impeachment regulations.

Wouldn’t have expected anything else from Mick Wallace. Laws, sure they don’t apply to me. My employees taxes, I’ll just pocket it instead.

Guess he didn’t use all those unvouched expenses for laundry anyway…. Into the back pocket more like. Yoink!

How can people elect these corrupt feckers, and then cheer them on as they encourage yet more evasion?

Part time democrats. TDs out telling people to break the laws that were democratically passed in the parliament
that they were elected to having freely stood for election. Like it or not that’s how a democracy works. You are elected, you vote, sometimes your view is accepted, sometimes it’s not. Either way if you choose to participate in a democracy then you accept the democratic decision. Or are they suggesting we should have anarchy as an alternative where we only accept the decisions we like? It’s why none of them are fit to ever be in positions of responsibility. For anything. Because that can mean taking unpopular decisions. And none of these will do that. Ever.

Wallace: “But Ma’am, could you really afford €100 on Buck House?”

Steve of course this is a democracy and of course you can express your point of view . However Steve you must know that when the National Parliament passes a law the you cannot decide that you don’t like it and then ignore or flout the regulation so passed. Such behavior is quite obviously illegal and undemocratic unless you define democracy in some other fashion unknown this side of Hades!

ill be paying. as will most normal folk. wait and see.

its simple- even taking away bond payments we are spending about €10bn more a year than we are taking in. The money has to come from somewhere so we can bitch and whinge all we want or we can try our best to try work our way out of this. The boycott will lead to absolutely no good and its disgraceful that democratically elected TDs are urging people to disregard this charge that has been brought in by a significant majority of our national government.

It is a sad reflection on modern society that Members of our Parliament are on the streets encouraging citizens to break the law.
I have no difficulty with anybody taking a personal stance on any this or any other issue and if the consequences include Court fines or Jail sentences so be it. However when so called Democrats take it upon themselves to reject that same democracy and promote a break down of civil society then these
Individuals should be seen as damaging to the National interest.
Will Mr. Higgins or Ms Daly pay the fines of those unfortunates naive enough to get caught up in the marketing campaigns of a left wing movement. And haven’t we been here before with these same individuals acting in a similar fashion with bin charges.

Iv registered and will pay this charge. I live in a country town.and am on mains systems. I recall the general election of 1977 I was 10 & my father was a big fianna fail voter. He was aghast at that manifesto..get rid of car tax get rid of rates…this policy was the catalyst for this mess. He always said rates were unfair but shoukdv been reformed and not got rid of. car tax was reinstated a short while after. Services cost money…simple! These whingers like Wallace and Claire NO NO.NO Daly would be better employed serking reform.to.our woefully outdated local govt and to ensuring value for tax spend than constantly trying to incite public disobedience. btw..im.a floating voter..non.alligned

Feel sorry for all the naive people being led by the don’t register, don’t pay brigade. It’s tax evasion they are encouraging plain and simple. Fair enough if they’re gonna pay all the penalties and charges for the people they convince to evade the tax but they won’t.

So what are these idiotic TDs going to do when a graded property tax/council tax is intoduced next year, boycott it also?

The old property tax (stamp duty) has gone and has to be replaced. What do these bright sparks suggest?

For all those thinking they are entitled to not pay this charge, what separates you from those who think they are entitled to claim the dole even when working? Both are ways of scrounging from the state…
Several other countries have household rates, get on with it…

So many people so willing to give up and roll over in this country!!!!! No wonder the Brits walked over us for so long and they would be still at it if it hadn’t been for a handful of us!
They’d be rolling in their graves now!!!

honestly i’d bet any of you your €100 charge that children in 1st class could figure this one out!!

if i go to the shop and spend – say €120bn – do i
a) pay it back by raising taxes or
b) not pay it back – cos i dont like what i got with my money

tough sh*t folks! we owe it – we pay it! can be by household charge or broadcasting charge or cutting welfare to little old ladies with cats!
we’re not supposed to like it! what kind of sicko would actually like receiving their wage after someone took money out of it – and then going to the shop and paying more tax and going home and paying tax on that too in your car which you pay tax on!! its not supposed to be fun!! Bertie made all of that up just to appease people who think thats how it can work! now David Mc is making a tidy little sum for himself – on which i guarantee you he pays taxes – by spooning people with the same stuff!!

I’d s

We all will end up living in trailers! Welldone Annette, will look up your facebook page as soon as!

The Country is in an awful way and everyone ends to shoulder this burden. Look at Greece in the last few days, thank God our Government is guiding us out of scenes like what we have seen in Athens.

Yes it’s not nice paying more, but we have to sort this mess out and unfortunately €100 is what our Government has proposed.

Also I trust Enda Kenny and Eamon Gilmore more than ‘Ming Hasheader’ , ‘Mick don’t pay your workers Wallace’ ‘Richard snob Barrett.