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Mandatory sick pay “will lead to job losses and absenteeism”

That is according to the business owners who took part in a survey for ISME, who said that mandatory sick pay of four weeks will have a “disastrous effect” on businesses.

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BUSINESS OWNERS HAVE said that mandatory sick pay will lead to job losses and absenteeism.

That is according to a major survey of members carried out by ISME, the Irish Small & Medium Enterprises Association.

The survey confirmed that the proposed mandatory sick pay of four weeks for employers will have a disastrous impact on competitiveness, jobs and absenteeism levels, ISME said.

The survey was carried out last week and involved 766 respondents.

According to the results:

  • 93 per cent of companies anticipate job losses.
  • 90 per cent of companies outlined that their cost base would increase if the proposal is introduced.
  • 72 per cent of companies feel that absenteeism levels will increase with only 3 per cent expecting a reduction.
  • 75 per cent of SMEs do not have a sick pay scheme in place.

Commenting on the results, ISME CEO Mark Fielding said that the survey” clearly indicates SME opposition to a plan that will put further pressure on costs, will lead to increased absenteeism and will result in the loss of thousands of jobs, adding to exchequer costs”.

He said that the typical number of days lost per annum due to absenteeism in SMEs is three days and well policed.

It is estimated that the business cost of the measure will be an additional €150m per annum, but this fails to take into account increased absenteeism and loss productivity, said ISME.

Fielding questioned where Minister Joan Burton, who proposed the sick pay, thinks that businesses will find the money to pay sickness benefit on top of replacement pay.

In conclusion Fielding said that the government:

is supposedly promoting and encouraging enterprise and job creation on the one hand while, on the other, this ‘mad-cap’ proposal is a definite ‘job-killer’ creating an atmosphere of uncertainty among the small business community, which is stymieing business activity, investment and employment creation.

He said the proposal to introduce a mandatory sick pay scheme should be ‘binned’.

Comments from the participants in the survey included:

These proposals are definitely stopping me from hiring a new employee in the coming months.
Small companies would be unable to fund the new proposals.

We had a sick pay scheme of 12 weeks but when thing got bad we had no choice to stop it. When we stop we had a 90 per cent drop in our absenteeism.
I had to introduce a “no sick pay” policy last year. Absenteeism has reduced hugely.
This proposal will make it impossible for small businesses to function. It will increase absenteeism and bottom line costs. In our case we will downsize our business to one or two key employees and family members. We had a sick pay scheme where we paid 7 days per year. Everybody took 7 days.

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Comments (10 Comments)

  • My business pays for several weeks of sick leave (I’ll accept your plaudits to the usual address), but with stringent requirements for doctors notes. As many doctors give them out upon receipt of their €50, we will send our employees off to doctors we nominate and pay for if we suspect something is iffy.

    All of this can incur larger costs, but thankfully the people who work for me are honest and reciprocate on the positive working environment. Not every company I’ve ever been in could operate this system trouble free, and for them this would lead to much larger costs.

    A key issue then comes to doctors notes: They should become mandatory when taking a lot of sick days over the year, even if they’re isolated; and the government should ensure that GPs they regulate aren’t giving out sick notes to anyone who shows up faking.

    You don’t want to punish genuinely ill staff, but at the same time if the government does this in its usual smash and grab fashion then it will cost jobs.

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    • Totally agree with what you said there. Also, employers need to have good work environments and treat employees with respect and fairness which will lower absenteeism. You’ll always get a few dossers. The last place I worked I never called in sick if I wasn’t because the guilt would kill me because they were an excellent company who couldn’t do enough for employees. People were a lot happier. Yet I was in another company where I couldn’t get a crap because they treated me like crap. So employers can make a difference too.

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  • Considering the government changed the way it will pay people who go out of work sick(without sick pay schemes at work) this is a way to force employers to pay for it. Shameful.

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    • SHAME ON NOONAN…… PRSI was introduced back in the approx 1974 and it was introduced to pay the DOLE,YOUR SICK PAY when you produced a social welfare doctors cert, your PENSIONS,your visit to a “CASUALTY DEPT”, and your public bed in Hospital……… NOW we pay PRSI and U.S.C and we we have to pay for our visit to Emergency Dept (if you have one Roscommon people do not) and you have to pay for your public bed in Hospital and NOW your Boss has been told that he has to pay your sick leave But you boss also pays EMPLOYERS PRSI to cover your sick pay not alone are they getting 3 contributions to cover employees if they get ill but now they are putting your JOB at RISK Shame on the Advisers and MR NOONAN and MR HOWLIN

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  • Muc Beag 23/01/12 #

    “As long as their employees are respectful and honest about their sick time then there should be no worry.”

    That’s the problem right there isn’t it. Last ten years has shown that people operating on a pure honour system hasn’t done us a lot of good.

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    • Dave 23/01/12 #

      At my employer, we are paid for 7 days and discretion is shown after that if you are very ill. And at my department, nobody takes the piss out of it – sickness rates are very low. It’s about hiring the right people and being respectful to them. The vast majority will return that respect. Trying to ban sick leave is counterproductive. People do get ill, and I dont like this phrase “absenteeism” as if they are doing it by choice. Most decent workers would feel awful “pulling a sickie” as it also affects their colleagues.

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  • There are still many doctors surgeries who provide sick notes for patients without even seeing the patient at a nominal fee of 10 euro. This makes it far too easy for people.

    The flip side is that if an employee would normally have taken one day off sick, but are forced to visit the doctor to recoup their wages they will ‘get their money’s worth’ and get signed off for multiple days. That’s a common practice where I work because even just 1 day off sick requires a doctors note to get paid.

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  • This is a good thing for the employees in my view.
    It shouldn’t be a major problem for the employers either.
    As long as their employees are respectful and honest about their sick time then there should be no worry.
    If they aren’t, perhaps they shouldn’t be in the job?

    Just my view. :)

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  • I would imagine that you couldn’t make your Employee go to another Doctor that you are paying for. These Doctors wouldn’t have the details of Medical History, Family Medical History, plus they would surely be biased as you are paying them, whats to say they won’t just say he’s grand, she’s grand, seeing as you claim they give out sick notes on receipt of €50. Also would you be paying for your Staff to get to the nominated doctor on the day they go to their GP?

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    • Indeed you can, if your employee would like to avail of the sick leave pay that is a perk, not a requirement. And the flipside is happening: Doctors giving sick notes to people who show up and pay their €50, or even less in some places.

      Employers aren’t the only side that can be exploitative of a situation.

      What’s needed is for doctors to be completely impartial and honest brokers. Sadly, they’re not, and while that continues it makes sick pay programs more costly for businesses who do suffer from certain employees who will game the system.

      If government wants to make sick pay mandatory on businesses, it needs to fix this.

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