The policing cost for an event such as this is carried by the promoter.
P.8, S1.4(a), Last but one paragraph.

That’s some rant Ian…

You better believe it Seamus!

Because the Sweedish House Mafia would tend to attract a crowd who would associate being shit-faced with that kind of music and that it won’t be attended by say a Die Hard Bruce Springsteen fan! So using said INTEL which is supposed to be a huge part of police work would tell The Guards that a potential troublesome minority would most certainly be there and that they should act accordingly! That is why it’s relevant!! Piss-poor MCD don’t have the policing powers that the Gardai have!

As this report is in response to the one commissioned by the Gardaí, I’d imagine it is counteracting a point made by the Gardaí.

As for the concert I lived near the Phoenix Park at the time, and the amount of drunken teenagers walking along the quays from around 1pm was incredible. They were shouting, peeing on the street, dropping rubbish and just being loutish. As soon as they were seen approaching by BOTH the Gardaí and the private security their drink should have been confiscated and they should have been told to go away and sober up if they wanted to get in.

It wasn’t a minority Brian it was half the people who attended. Policing has been defined as protection of the lawful majority from the lawless minority but the whole of Dublin 7 and 8 was lawless that day.
It was the people who attended that gig that were the biggest disgrace not security or gardai and I bet some of them people who attended are commenting here now and criticising everyone but themselves…

I believe Dirt was writing in english. You may have heard of the language.

Well OK, maybe he wasn’t.

Well MCD went through all the correct procedures before the gig and the Gardai gave a glowing thumbs up and said everything was spot on according to the Gardai when it went through the courts so why would anyone blame MCD. Here come the red thumbs I guess although no replies because they know I will expose them as a fool

Barry where did you get the information that the State pay for MCD to host an event, they don’t, MCD pay for it.

MCD had more than 50% above what the Gardaí recommended. You’re talking through your hole.

MCD done what they had to do and what they always do, to get a licence, they told the Gardai and the court what they wanted to hear and therefore no reasonable reason for objections existed. They then stretched the limits of their permission to the maximum, the only problem is that this time it went horribly wrong, expose away there Paul

Duty of care! Overrides everything, as the principal, MCD are basically subcontracting the Gardai to help with the security for the event. Just because the Guards seemingly underestimated their numbers doesn’t absolve MCD of blame. Guards are culpable but overall responsibility goes to the Principal orgsniser. MCD can blame whoever you want but it’s up to them to ensure adequate protection is in place and if they believed that the Guards weren’t providing adequate assistance they should not have gone ahead with the gig, simple as. Greed decreed otherwise

Yes they can but they’re always granted in the end anyway because the courts never support Garda applications least of all when they’re against wealthy as opposed to poor people

Your right on the money there man! Both parties are shite!

But yet when the Gardai do an excellent job of upholding the laws of this country they get grief when they catch people with drugs, Gardai can’t seem to win with some people I guess.

Ya rat

What a clown

I’d guess that Garda isn’t allowed leave his post at the GPO. Maybe he/she radioed details on to the drugs unit on duty.

Madel i do believe m.c.d. had informed the gardai that they had the relevant security to deal with any trouble and only a small garda presence would be required.

Exactly Les plus MCD would be exceptionally reluctant to have to fork out towards Garda costs on the day as it would eat into their substantial profits, shameless display of kicking the can down the road by MCD, God forbid they would even have the minutest degree of fault for the whole sorry mess

The more I read about MCD the more they disgust me.

Les i agree with you that mcd should take responsibility and should be hit with a massive fine, but i also believe that the garda have to take a share in it too.
Surly calls log before the gig started made it event there was a huge need for Garda presences,
Regardless of what they where told by mcd that they only needed a small presence, shouldnt the public safety not come before profit.

Firstly Madel is there any evidence of a large log of calls regarding trouble or leading Gardai to believe that trouble would happen?? Secondly the Gardai are not interested in profit, the budget for manpower and overtime has been slashed by the Minister for Justice and if MCD contributed to the Garda bill that day I doubt they paid enough to have sufficent manpower in place

Richie this is taken from an article from the Irish times,
http://www.irishtimes.com/blogs/ontherecord/2012/08/08/phoenix-park-a-month-on-the-gardai-vs-mcd/

The gardai mention pre-gig drinking by “concert patrons in the 17 to 25 age group” as a contributory factor to anti-social behaviour around the show, yet where is the mention of the equally excessive alcohol consumption at the Stone Roses’ show, for example? It’s all well and good for the garda’s big kahoona to say they are “aware” of plans by Minister for Justice Alan Shatter to bring forward plans to deal with this, but where was the garda enforcement of existing laws on the nights of these shows? Why is there nothing here about garda efforts to stop public drinking and attendant anti-social behaviour on the way to the concert site within the Park (is there nothing here because, well, nothing was done?) Remember that local residents were giving out yards about drunken, loutish behaviour on Thursday, some 48 hours before Swedish House Mafia even arrived in the city.

@madel yes the pre-drinking existed but not necessarily on the streets of Dublin. Let us not forget the thousands that came to Dublin for the event on public buses, trains and private hire. This is a serious problem that is never addressed, you can see it at any similar concert at the O2/Aviva/Croker, this demographic will sit on a bus or train from Galway, Cork, Waterford (not picking on these counties in particular) throwing drink into them then get off in Dublin and all of a sudden when they’re out in the ‘fresh’ air they’re banjo’d. It should have been the responsibility of MCD ‘security’ to refuse entry to these people. Maybe going forward breathalise patrons? Not to drink driving levels but an agreed level…..

Ian I understand what your saying and I agree with your point, The point im trying make is that I dont think Its just as simple as MCD are solo responsible, The garda, organiser (MCD) and other stakeholders new the three shows would attract significantly different audiences and that there would be a need for different policing and security plans for each of the gigs, none of which seemed to be put into place.
When I related to the Irish times article, I was more high-lighten that 48 hours before Swedish House Mafia even arrived there were issues.
I do believe too that it was responsibility of MCD ‘security’ to refuse entry to people as you said that weret “banjo’d” but I also believe that it was the garda responsibility to ensure that took place?

Another intelligent contribution to the debate, I worry about people like you

focka u cockaroach :)

And the point of that intelligent post is???

ya great comment dirt,… until you need them and then it be the same stupid comment form you
. if you think like that don’t every call them for their help as you’d be wasting their time and stopping them save or help someone that respects them. and needs them

2died of drug overdoses???

@Les exactly but they washed their hands of them! They stated that they did not die at the venue…… All MCD care about is there reputation, they’re terrified that if this bad publicity continues they may loose out on more profits as they won’t get the licences for future gigs

Ian i personally think they should be hit with a massive fine and have their licence on a probationary period for the next 2years.

@Les – It’s dreadful that two people died but MCD or anybody who puts on an event can not be held responsible gor the personal drug habits of people who buy a ticket to the concert. There is no indication as to when or where the unfortunately souls consumed the drugs.

Didnt they take boards.ie to court a few years ago because some users talked about them in a less than complimentary fashion.

Brian that was a response to ciarans post.

MCD slams Garda… Garda staggers to feet and drop kicks MCD following up with a headlock that forced MCD to submit…

MCD slams Garda… Garda staggers to feet and drop kicks MCD following up with a headlock that forces MCD to submit… Mud wrestling in the Phoenix Park…

Apologies for double post…. Snail broadband…. Refreshes more slowly than a sweaty baboon…