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Dublin: 13 °C Wednesday 22 May, 2013

Migrant rights group says High Court decision leaves undocumented workers vulnerable

Today the court overturned a decision to grant Muhammad Younis an award of €92,000 in an exploitation case.

File photo of Muhammad Younis at an MRCI protest
File photo of Muhammad Younis at an MRCI protest
Image: Sam Boal/Photocall Ireland

THE HIGH COURT today ruled that a Pakistani worker who was awarded €92,000 for breaches of employment law, is not entitled to the money.

Muhammad Younis had been awarded the money after the Rights Commissioner found he had been the victim of exploitation by his employer, working long hours for just 55 cent per hour.

Justice Gerard Hogan found that the man, an undocumented worker, was not entitled to money awarded because his employment contract cannot be recognized.

Commenting on the High Court decision, Gráinne O’ Toole of the Migrant Rights Centre Ireland said;

A fundamental problem with the Employment Permits Act has been uncovered.  This is devastating, not only for Mr Younis, but for all undocumented migrants who are now left without protection against exploitation under Irish labour law.  It is a sad day for Ireland when a man who suffered extreme exploitation is denied justice while his exploiter walks free.

After the judgement Younis said, “I did nothing wrong and instead I am being further punished by today’s decision.  I am in a black hole and devastated by this news.”

Justice Hogan said he would send a copy of his judgement for consideration by the government.

“There must be some concern that this legislation will produce consequences which were not foreseen or envisaged,” he said.

“Specifically it may not have been intended by the Oireachtas that undocumented migrant workers should be effectively deprived of the benefit of all employment legislation by virtue of his illegal status…”

O’Toole said the law as it is now interpreted gives the green light to exploitative employers and the government must act immediately to guarantee undocumented workers are protected under employment law.

Solicitor for Younis James McGuill said his legal team “will examine all avenues including a challenge to the Supreme Court and the European Court of Human Rights.”

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Comments (92 Comments)

  • This decision will only serve to encourage business owners to hire and exploit illegal immigrants. Why should an employer be exempted from one part of employment law by virtue of the fact that he’s also braking another part of it?

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    • The employer will surely face charges or whatever the penalty is for illegally hiring someone that is not permitted to work here!
      Without sounding like I have no empathy with this man but why was he working here illegally in the first place?

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    • @Ted the employer in question hired him in Pakistan and brought him over.

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    • Seamus there sis an old expression which says …never argue with a fool as onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.
      The Judge has stated quite clearly that there is a defect in the law… Not as you are suggesting a deliberate one and he was constrained to issue a judgement in accordance with his legal and Constitutional obligations. This defect was not obvious at the time of drafting as you suggest. The paranoid idea you put forward is that the Houses of the Oireachtas conspired to deliberately implement a law with a built in defect to allow employers behave in this fashion. You can get treatment for the paranoia and the Dail can correct the defect but not in retrospective cases.

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  • The problem is that there is no anti-slavery laws in Ireland. If the money had been awarded it would have been appealed to the Supreme Court and overturned anyway. Judges can’t make up laws, they can only rule on the ones that exist.

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  • It’s not the Judge’s fault, it’s the fault of the legislature for not anticipating such an outcome!

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  • Ted, from what I can gather the man came to work here legally ie he had a work permit which was granted to his employer to bring him in, but his employer did not renew it. So he became illegal thru no fault of his own. Truly shocking indictment of our so called human rights laws.

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    • Surely he should have left the country as soon as he became illegal though. And why allow it to build up to such a a large amount that he was owed?

      Also was the employer Pakistani himself I wonder? The story is lacking in detail.

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    • Not 100% sure but I believe the employer held his passport. Open to correction but there have been similar cases.

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    • Alison you’re talking rubbish…his employer was his cousin and this probably originally started as a means of bringing family members into Ireland from outside the EU by advertising for a specific skill set that would not be available here and then insisting on a language proficiency that is non native and then voila…you can show the Department you have no local applicants so you get a work visa for the Cuz. Then having achieved the objective you take advantage of him because he doesn’t speak English and you have a hold over him because you don’t renew the visa.
      Given that likely scenario you all want to blame the judge or the Courts or the Oireachtas. Isn’t it about time that we started to think for ourselves. This case will probably go the Supreme Court and the European Courts and guess who is likely to be paying……yep you and I. And during all that time our friend will be a guest of the Nation. Great little country.

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    • Rommel, you are quite right. I remember the story at the time, the employer kept his passport and treated him appallingly. The employer should have to pay this man his money, he should be sent home if he cannot find similar employment, the money he is owed would set him up and more back in Pakistan. If an employer doesn’t renew a work visa, it should be followed through by the relevant authorities here. Surely it’s not that difficult? We all get our tv licence renewals promptly enough. It can be done if the state want to. Shocking story, this man just wants to go home with his money, where is the justice. Not the judges fault though, his hands were tied.

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    • Andrea

      I want to know how this man got to be allowed be in Europe in the first place, there are enough sham marriages between Pakistanis and Latvians and their cricket team skiving off when they landed here, without us being complete idiots for every other country in the world and allowing all and sundry to just plonk themselves here, whenever they feel like.

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    • Geoff,
      He came to work here with a valid visa initially, his employer sponsored him from Pakistan, in Pakistan. This employer then retained his passport, filled his head with a load of nonsense about our laws, police, immigration etc. The victim always believed he held a valid visa because his employer told him he renewed it and that he could have him deported at any time. I am far from a soft touch, believe me. It sickens me the way our immigration laws are exploited and abused but in this case, the worker is a genuine victim and deserves to be treated better than this. The employer should be punished and nobody else, this case is sending out the wrong message.

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    • Andrea

      “He came to work here with a valid visa initially, his employer sponsored him from Pakistan, in Pakistan.”

      Ok. So his boss Hussein is a Pakistani. So the system is, as I stated above, that Indian and SW Asian countries get to come here and set up restaurants.

      Next question, how are they allowed in to just set up. I can understand a few, like we had in decades past (most of them came over from UK and Europe) but how are Pakistanis just coming over here, like Hussein and setting up restaurants?

      Q2: How are they able to head off to Pakistan and bring over a worker for a restaurant? No Irish person would qualify as being sponsored to simply work in a restaurant in Pakistan.

      This immigration and multicult lark, is a con, to destroy European indigenous peoples so that the globalists can control a more manageable non-European world population. It is ruining Euro cultures, and it does nothing to help 3rd world countries, when are people going to wake up, this is not charity for less well of people at all.

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    • Mick Collins
      “his employer was his cousin and this probably originally started as a means of bringing family members into Ireland from outside the EU by advertising for a specific skill set that would not be available here and then insisting on a language proficiency that is non native and then voila…you can show the Department you have no local applicants so you get a work visa for the Cuz. Then having achieved the objective you take advantage of him because he doesn’t speak English and you have a hold over him because you don’t renew the visa.”

      Have to agree with Mick Collins here, this seems to be a very clued in reading of what is going on, it confirms what I have heard from official sources about ways they get in by using the Indian restaurant slant. Ireland really needs to cop on, we are going to have no country in no time at all. Even if one is all for immigration there is the simple common sense issue, that there are too many people for the size of the country. It is going to be ruined. If we want to help the 3rd world, concentrate on helping them at source in their own countries, we did that for decades and everyone thought well of us then. We weren’t called racist when we had strict border control and focussed on giving aid abroad.
      Of course the only reason we are called racist today is to push a multucult agenda and to want to be more pious than everyone else. Multiculturalism is the new church, new religion.

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  • Utterly baffling decision. Surely the employer broke the terms and conditions of the contract by not renewing the mans working visa so he should have to pay him the sum owed for his labour along with a sizeable fine for flouting immigration and employment law.

    Will Mr Younis have to pay costs?

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  • Lets hope the 50,000+ illegal irish in the states gets treated well.

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    • Mark

      No Mark, Irish descendants of Irish and other Euro-cousin ancestors to a country they helped found, build, design and died for, get kicked out with a life ban, never to return if found with no proper visa. And they certainly get no access to social services or health care.

      We here in Europe are so enlightened and civilised, problem is, when you import people who do not think like us or have a culture that has different values to Europeans, then Europe disappears and their culture and norms come out on top, that is what is happening right now. Others are too far down on lower levels of the skyscraper to see that far down the road.

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  • Exploitation is rife at the moment. It’s not just non irish workers who are being exploited. My 20 year old daughter has just finished college. She has applied for everything and anything. She’ s been offered various “trials” in various catering establishments. She has worked long shifts in a number of restaurants and for promotions companies etc. only to be told she’s not needed. What breaks my heart is that each time she gets a “trial” she calls me with the news that she really feels she has a job this time. Her latest experience has really knocked her for six. She worked from 5pm until midnight in a well known restaurant in city centre(Dublin) was called in the following evening at 5pm and at 7pm was told to go home that she wasn’t suitable. Her spirit amazes me as she says she’s going to keep looking.
    She is honest with all potential employers regarding her lack of experience but is equally honest when she says that she is honest, hard working and willing to learn. I can’t help but feel that many of these would be employers see her coming and know that they can get her to work for nothing and then move on to the next youngster and get them to do a “trial”.
    Each failed “trial” is knocking her confidence and leaves her feeling that she will never be employable. Perhaps she ‘s not cut out for these jobs but if these employers were serious about giving her a job would they not give a few days training and then a paid probationary period and then let her go if she’s found to be unsuitable? Sorry for straying away from the case in point, I do have sympathy for any worker who is exploited but I couldn’t help wearing my “mammy” hat on this topic.

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    • Am very sorry for your daughter. Keep the chin up and keep trying, never quit was one of the prime characteristics of our European race.

      Keep trying and network with other people, and others in the same boat, if nothing comes along perhaps she can get in with others and start up something with some good ideas and all pitching in.

      I am sorry to say it but this is the world of globalism and international bankers, this is what they have in store for us, one big mass of consumer cattle and cheap labour, while they get to be supreme tyrants on top. The only solution is for every nation on the planet to become national and patriotic and have the resources of their country for their people. This combined with international nationalistic solidarity in trade.

      Globalism hates nationalism, it gets in the way of their money collecting.

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  • That’s a terrible way to treat another human being…

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    • And a family member treated him this way, poor guy.

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    • Yes it is a terrible way to treat a human being.

      Also this man should not be here. How does a non-EU immigrant get to come and then stay in Ireland? He is illegal, he should not have been here in the first place. Who employed him, they should be penalised or sent to prison both for employing an illegal immigrant and for abuse.

      We need tighter borders in our country.

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    • He came to Ireland on a one year work Visa, He worked for his cousin in an Indian restaurant, he was supposed to renew his visa when it expired but failed to do so. Muhammad Younis worked up to 80 hours a week thinking he had a visa and got paid very little.

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    • Mark

      OK, obviously no-one should be treated like this. Obviously justice means he should be paid for the work he did.

      Justice would also mean, that Ireland does not pay it, but that his cousin boss Hussein pays him his fair share. Not only is that just, it will also deter other foreign restauranteurs from hiring their own natives, bringing them to Ireland and then doing the dirty on them.

      As said elsewhere, questions as to how Pakistanis or other non-EU natives can just come here and set up shop need to be answered. Are we to follow in the footsteps of other European countries where native European women are harrassed and abused on the streets that have become predominantly non-European?

      You cannot go trol-a-lol-lolling naively in the world thinking multicult is great and all other peoples and cultures behave and think like we do, if that were the case, you would have found little Europes all around the world, but there aren’t for a reason.

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    • Your the one trolling geoff with the same silly comments and his cousin was paying the fine not Ireland!!!! I think you should read more into the case before making a comment because you haven’t a clue what you are talking about…………….

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    • Markus

      I never mentioned anything about trolling, I meant troll-a-lol-lolling, meaning to wander off with ones head in the air all naive and gooey eyed.

      Take it easy, you must be a hot-tempered far-lefty?

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    • Markus

      Now can you tell me exactly what it is I do not have a clue about? What part of my statement is not allowed to be expressed, do tell us oh, thought police commissar Stasi person?

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    • yea like it wasn a scam…the court done dam right or we would have every non national beating a track for under payment

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    • oh before someone throws in the racist card as they do read this carefully IRISH NATIONALS DO NOT NEED VISAS HERE THEY GUY WAS NOT MENT TO BE IN IRELAND HE WAS HERE ILLEGALLY..

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    • Vinny, did you read the article ?

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    • I did I have also had a read of lots of other b.s
      he was wrong the law seen it that way or is the law wrong?

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  • This man deserves his money

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  • Absolutely embarrassing and a shameful decision .

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    • Seamus did you want the Court to behave outside the law? There seems no other explanation for your contribution.

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    • Seamus the only interpretation that can be made of your contribution is that you wanted the Court and the Judge to behave illegally. What kind of behaviour would that be. The problem is a weakness exposed in the legislation which can be corrected but please don’t demand that the Courts behave like those of Russia or Syria.

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    • Mick , perhaps you are wrong. There is well established law that any foreigner in Ireland is entitled to the same Constitutional rights as any Irish citizen . Let this one develop.

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    • @Mick Collins, That sort of exploitation was going on in hotels for years especially with workers from Bangladesh and Indonesia.And you are trying to tell me that the powers to be didn’t know about it .They had plenty of time to change legislation. But no they stuck their head in the sand and hoped it wouldn’t come out. That is why it is shameful and disgraceful.

      Judging by your reply and your level of sarcasm, lets hope your children are never exploited the same way that man was. Not on my doorstep not my problem eh.

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    • It is shameful, but for whom?

      Was it an Irish person who employed him, it could have been, but I also know that Indian, Pakistani and Bangladeshi restaurants have a little loophole scam going where they get to import their own native peoples giving the excuse that only their own indigenous people can cook authentic indigenous Indian etc cuisine. And so in they come.

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    • @Mick Collins, paranoid care to elaborate ??? Yes they did know it was going on. One wagers this will be soon forgotten about . Maybe you should read my post again in particular where one states, that they had plenty of time to change legislation, hence this case would never have gotten to court in the first place and that type of injustice would never have occurred. During the height of the boom that type of abuse was widespread within the hotel industry ( I worked in Hotels and saw it first hand) and no one gave a toss, even when the unions were reporting it.

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    • Can you make a good tikka masala or vindaloo Geoff? Didn’t think so. This loophole scam you say!!! If we want curry houses in Ireland/Dublin we need people like him. Paddy, Mick or Mary can’t do it.

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    • Markus
      “Can you make a good tikka masala or vindaloo Geoff? Didn’t think so.”

      You ask a question and immediately answer it for me?

      Actually I can make a near authentic(not really authentic as it is not made by said peoples in said countries) Indian, Chinese and Italian, and with a little on the job training so could any Irish person, and that is the point, there is no reason any Irish person cannot be emplyed in these restaurants, and it is our responsibility to voice that we look after the people already indigenous to these shores first before we go looking for celebrity clap on the back causes that seem more exciting and glamorous.

      ” If we want curry houses in Ireland/Dublin we need people like him. Paddy, Mick or Mary can’t do it.”
      We had curry houses, and all manner of take-aways in Ireland long before mass-immigration Markus, it is obvious you are an apologist for marxist no nations no borders anti-Irish sentiment. Otherwise you would have enaged in decent and calm debate without the faux question at the start.

      I doubt you would have used some Nigerian common names and say they couldn’t do x,y and z. The anti-Irish bigotry displayed by the far-left is astounding.

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    • Yawn im not going to feed you anymore…TROLL

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    • Markus

      Like all far-left marxists, you are unable to counter arguments that destroy your nonsensical world view, one that however plays right into the hands of the globalist super rich like Peter Sutherland (Goldman Sachs) and all the other international banksters, you picked the wrong horse buddy, and the far-left are puppets of the globalist elite.

      We are their debt slaves as well as our children and you are their unwitting go-fetch lapdogs. Shame.

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  • Geoff. You seem unwilling to listen to answers to your own questions. You repeatedly ask how the man got into Ireland. He came legally with a work permit and became ‘illegal’ only when his employer did not renew his work permit.

    You also repeatedly refer to tightening border controls. I presume therefore that you would chase, prosecute and deport all of the illegal Irish (sorry I’m meant to say ‘undocumented’ like RTE) in the US and Australia. Or is that a different case for you? If so please explain how.

    The reasons why Irish people have migrated in the past and now continue to migrate is the same as the other migrant workers- the ‘natives’ that you refer to. Interesting choice of words there.

    You seem to think that Ireland and/or the EU are economic islands disconnected from the rest of the world; that our wealth, despite the recession, is not based on the exploitation of foreign workers in sweat shops, utterly unfair trade practices and the legitimation of occupations. When people try to leave these countries and improve their lives, the West calls them ‘illegal’. At the moment we want it both ways: to benefit from exploitation on the one hand and to prevent the exploited from accessing this wealth by migration on the other. This is wrong in my opinion. No human being is illegal.

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  • I’d say he didn’t leave when he became illegal because the alternative in Pakistan probably wasn’t all that appealing! It’s easy to stand on your high horse and shout “well he was breaking the law” but when it comes down to it for a lot of third world and poor people, the law is just one more thing down a long list of things they have to worry about!

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  • Irish courts are joke if you want justice you won’t find it there. And I am not saying that just for saying, but I talk through personal experience. And I know of more cases when some complete chancers won loads of money, while genuine people were cheated and robbed. Its all lawyers game and what judge you get. I personally think jurisdical system is very biased and rotten environment hopefully I will never have to deal with them again. Poor man I feel for him.

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  • This man should take his case to the european court of human rights.

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  • That’s a terrible way to treat another human being!

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  • I green-thumbed Robbie O’Neill’s comment by mistake.
    I feel so sorry for this poor man, shafted by his employer and then by the justice system. Utterly disgusting.

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  • Tighten up our borders and tighten up our laws that allow employers hire illegals and abuse them too. If we really want to help the 3rd world we should be concentrating on helping the problem at source, it helps no-one by having them move to the west, in the end the west will also turn into the 3rd world and there will be no help for anyone then.

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    • Glad someone had the ball+ to say that…..look at the festering cesspits that have developed in other European countries due to unchecked immigration from places work no cultural connection to the host country….

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    • Marc

      You will find that the journal and other Irish media will delete your comments and block you if you mention that you are opposed to mass immigration, want tighter border control and state any facts that go against their agenda.

      And what is their agenda?
      They want multiculturalism, the majority of journos are far-left and are all for mixing up Ireland into something that looks like New York or Los Angeles.

      Why?
      Because they think that it will make for a more exciting place with news stories that look like something from the US, it makes them think they are in the big time. Meanwhile ordinary people have to live with the results of less resources to go around and more imported crime as well as feeling like a foreigner in your own country, alienation and the break up and break down of society, the end of Irish culture and ethnicity and the bonds of love and loyalty that that means.

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  • Wonder how much money the judge in the case is earning…

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  • He should not have been working here, so why should the taxpayer give him compensation! Deport him and make him pay for the flight.sponger!

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  • Colm

    “The reasons why Irish people have migrated in the past and now continue to migrate is the same as the other migrant workers- the ‘natives’ that you refer to.”

    Eh, the Irish migrated to lands that we helped found, design, build and spilled our blood in the making of. We have real blood (ancestral) and cultural ties with these countries. The Irish also fought, bled and sweated to make Ireland what it is, nobody handed to us on a plate. nobody came to Ireland and gave us billions and gave us our freedom or prosperity, the EU took 120 billion in fisheries money. They have also taken our sovereignty and our frredom as we are now debt slaves paying money we do not owe.

    We gave millions to the 3rd world in aid, we gave millions in man hours of aid work and volunteer work and time in medicine, education and engineering projects, we do not owe any of the 3rd world anything, nothing, we have given them millions, in money, time and care. It is time they made their countries as prosperous and workable as Ireland was made, God knows they have the resources to do that. We owe nothing, least of all our own country.

    “You seem to think that Ireland and/or the EU are economic islands disconnected from the rest of the world;”

    No, that is what you think I am saying. You are putting your own interpretation on what I actually mean. The reality is, the Irelands economy is not built on Nike Sweatshops, the foundation of our wealth was our educated populace which in the late 80′s we had a very high tech savvy work force which ignited a mini silicon valley in Ireland.

    You think I support capitalism, big business and swaet shops? Of course not, in fact I am opposed to them. I just on a higher floor up on the skyscraper and so can see a little further down the line than yourself. Here’s why, you support immigration and multiculturalism, well these policies are simply tools that the super rich use, people like Peter Sutherland (works for Goldman Sachs international bank and Chuck Feeney billionaire) they fully support globalism and have stated that nations must be got rid of, that open borders and free movement must exist for true prosperity.

    Now these guys are the guys who are involved with the banks who at this minute are robbing the ordinary people of the western world, their money, a collapse is coming and then a police state. And these guys want open borders for Europe because Europeans are the last hurdle, the only peoples who pose the greatest threat to them, once we are gone, they know they will be in control of far more manageable non-European peoples. This is the long-term reality that is coming, I understand it, and see the bigger picture, others do not because they do not possess all the facts or are too caught up in their smaller picture agendas of no nations no borders etc.

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    • Geoff

      I’d like to know your sources for the fisheries figures and your sources for the Norwegian attacks that you listed. I googled the Swedish one and only found White Nationalist references to it. Even if the incidents are true it proves little. From child abusing priests to Breivik we have plenty examples of evil done by white people.

      I never said that current economic order is capitalism. I said that it favoured corporations. Of course the banks led by white bankers were corrupt. Everyone on the planet knows this. They have always been so and thus require democratic oversight and control.

      Your assumptions about me are flawed. I live in a fairly mixed area. I have many African neighbours though I do not and would not choose to live in a ghetto. Furthermore I work with people of North and Sub-Saharan origin. Of course ghettos exist and that is often caused by employment discrimination and poor planning. The riots that you speak of have I suspect, more to do with alienation that the base racial explanation that you offer. Riots like these happen in Belfast too and in Dublin e.g. the Love Ulster parade which was mostly opportunistic violence.

      As for my experience, you know nothing about me. I’ve travelled in about 50 countries, mostly in poor ‘non-white’ countries and have only ever felt unsafe twice, once in Malay sia and once in Burkina Faso. Neither incident developed. The former certainly would have in a similar situation in Ireland. I’d imagine that you are the one with the limited world view. Reading stormfront neither equates to experience or education.

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    • Ps your Oz visa info just refers to the one year working visa not for those seeking residence…

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    • 1] Norway – Oslo
      In 2009 the Oslo police reported that rape statistics for the past three years showed that none of the rapes in the city were committed by native Norwegians — all were committed by immigrants. The video is from a report aired on a Norwegian TV news program.

      Oslo rape statistics shock:

      The study is the first where the crime statistics have been analyzed according to ethnic origin. Of the 111 charged with rape in Oslo last year, 72 were of non-western ethnic origin, 25 are classified as Norwegian or western and 14 are listed as unknown.Rape charges in the capital are spiraling upwards, 40 percent higher from 1999 to 2000 and up 13 percent so far this year.Nine out of ten cases do not make it to prosecution, most of them because police do not believe the evidence is sufficient to reach a conviction.Police Inspector Gunnar Larsen of Oslo’s Vice, Robbery and Violent crime division says the statistics are surprising – the rising number of rape cases and the link to ethnic background are both clear trends. But Larsen does not want to speculate on the reasons behind the worrying developments.While 65 percent of those charged with rape are classed as coming from a non-western background, this segment makes up only 14.3 percent of Oslo’s population. Norwegian women were the victims in 80 percent of the cases, with 20 percent being women of foreign background.Larsen said that since this was the initial study examining ethnic make-up there were no existing figures to put the numbers into context. “Meanwhile, it is our general experience that this is an increasing tendency. We note this by the number of time we need to use interpreters in the course of an investigation,” Larsen said.

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    • 2] Sweden

      Thomas Anderberg, responsible for statistics at the Malmö Police, says there was a doubling of the number of reported rapes by ambush in 2004, following what was already a decade of steadily increasing numbers of sexual crimes. – I think that’s great news, says Anna Gustafsson, head of the Domestic Violence Unit at the Malmö Police. She suggests that the increase is due to the fact that women who otherwise wouldn’t press charges for rape now choose to contact the police.

      In other words, Gustafsson claims that we are dealing with a “technical” increase, not a real one. However, national statistics reveal that reported rapes against children have almost doubled in Sweden during the past ten years:

      According to Swedish Radio on Tuesday, statistics from Sweden’s National Council for Crime Prevention show that the number of reported rapes against children is on the rise. The figures have nearly doubled in the last ten years: 467 rapes against children under the age of 15 were reported in 2004 compared with 258 in 1995. Legal proceedings continue this week in a case involving a 13 year old girl from Motala who was said to have been subjected to a group rape by four men. (Note: These four men were Kurdish Muslims, who raped the girl for hours and even took photos of doing so)

      The number of rape charges per capita in Malmö is 5 – 6 times that of Copenhagen, Denmark. Copenhagen is a larger city, but the percentage of immigrants is much lower. And it’s not just the rape statistics that reveal a scary increase in Malmö or Sweden. Virtually every kind of violent crime is on the rise. Robberies have increased with 50 % in Malmö only during the fall of 2004. Threats against witnesses in Swedish court cases have quadrupled between 2000 and 2003. During the past few decades, massive immigration has changed the face of Sweden’s major cities, as well as challenged the viability of the welfare state.

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    • Colm

      “Even if the incidents are true it proves little.” haha, that’s like saying just because i am in quick sand and appear to be moving downwards, it doesn’t mean I am sinking! Keep your head in the sand, such wilful ignorance, may be fine for you and any of your family wherever you live for now, but I guarantee you this, sometime in the future in about 20 years, you or someone dear to you is going to experience violence directly as a result of multicult immigration policy. This is policy that can and we have a responsibility to halt and reverse. People die and suffer as a result in immigration related crime and comeptition for resources. This is not some trendy fashion aesthetic for just a few privileged few like yourself to ‘enjoy’.

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    • Colm

      Such reports of the increase in crime due to immigration is in the swedish news paper aftonbladet and a myriad of other sources other than the only one you seemed to be able to find, going out of your way to smear, now that you cannot counter my facts. It is obvious you are an apologist for multicult and immigration and that you have a far-left agenda.

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    • Colm
      “From child abusing priests to Breivik we have plenty examples of evil done by white people.”

      Firstly these are people we did not import these are problems that are homegrown, EVERY country has it’s own bad apples, that is no excuse for importing more problems in the form of immigration.

      Priests account for 3-4% of child sexual abuse, there is as much outside of the Catholic church in normal society, it is interesting that you immediately choose to quote the Christian church though. Also such actions are not Christian and are condemned by Christianity. In Islam paedophilia is sanctioned for, their prophet mohammad married Aisha a 6 year old and had sexual intercourse with her at age 8, he also had many sex slaves taken from the raids on tribes etc. It is not seen as a sin in Islam.

      The majority of bankers are not white, they are Jewish. Jews are not white, they are semitic or ashkenazi, being turkic. Goldman Sachs, Lehman bros, bear Stearns, JP Morgan, Rothschilds, US fed reserve, all these major bankers and the wall street bankers are mostly Jewish, NOT white. IMF former director Straus Kahn is Jewish, present director Christine Legarde is Jewish.

      Stop putting the blame on Europeans for what others are doing.

      You need to stop your far-left multicult agenda and stop supporting policies like mass immigration that these self same bankers want implemented.

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    • Colm

      You were the very first person to come out with a judegment, calling me ignorant and prejudiced. I had to reply to that, as only a narrow minded person would come out and judge not knowing a thing about another person. And you continue to do so,

      “I’d imagine that you are the one with the limited world view. Reading stormfront neither equates to experience or education.”

      More inaccurate judgemental prejudice, and all from the self proclaimed world broadened traveller. I told you the sources for my info, all nothing to do with any so-called white nationalist source, yet we are to believe your pronouncements without a iota of stats or facts. I think you could travel the cosmos and only see what you want to see that fits in with your desired world view. Now that is the true definition of being narrow.

      I am well travelled and well off the beaten track, and have quite many harrowing experiences, and truly understand what civilisation and civilised bearing are about and after having thoroughly respected the non-European cultures and made every effort to be respectful and humble, to no avail. In many instances they see Europeans and their attempts at being respectful as being soft and weak and thus righfully open to them to take advantage of, one way or the other.
      It is clear to me, you are an apologist for anything 3rd world, but are the patronising NGO visitor, the ultimate in racist.

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  • John F 31/08/12 #

    Here’s a solution for ya’s………………… GTFO!

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  • The comment I’m quoting has been removed, but is still on the (cr)app so I’ll ask the question again, “who was to pay the 92k?”

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  • Geoff the Native American Indians where in America before any europeans. The America they knew disappeared from them when europeans arrived.

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    • Mark

      No, the Oriental Americans were not the first people on the American continent. White Europeans were, search for the Solutreans. And they were slaughtered by the arrival of the Oriental Americans.

      In any case as I have stated already, the political state known as the United States along with the constitutional FREEDOMS that the world seeks to emulate as the basic freedoms of humanity for countries the world over was founded, designed, built and fought for by Europeans.
      Europeans should have some right to go to the countries they founded, depending on numbers. But any comparison with non-Europeans going to Europe or European made countries is invalid. Our ancestors founded those countries and spilled blood sweat and tears in doing so.
      Non-Europeans have to do the same to make places they have as prosperous and fruitful. Allowing them jump ship from their own countries keeps the 3rd world as the 3rd world.

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  • Colm

    1) The person whom I asked the question to, had not answered, I asked it again of another. They have since responded and I have since replied to their response.

    You yourself have just done what you complained me of doing (a common trait on the internet)

    2)My 2nd question was, how does a person from Pakistan get to come here to an EU country, aren’t we supposed to source EU people first? (Yes, we are, so how does he get to come here, or more specifically, in case you do not get what I am trying to get at. Why do we have work PERMITS for people from outside EU, for a restaurant?)

    3) Irish people are not allowed go to Australia unless they have a substantial amount of money, and a job lined up. There are also age requirements. You must be under 30 or 35. Any people who break the rules, do not get an easy time, they are sent home packing and in some case can never return.

    However since you mention Australia. I will point out to you that the policital entities of the US and Oz were founded, designed, built and fought for by Irish ancestors, in essence these political states, are places part of the Irish heritage, so there is a much greater right and case for Europeans going to these descendant founded countries.

    Pakistanis or any other non-European has nothing ancestrally or culturally to do with Ireland or the Irish people, they have no right to be here, and any comparison with such peoples being in a country they have nothing ancestrally to do with and with the Irish who DO have ties to US and Oz, is invalid and void.

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    • Geoff

      You’re correct about the fact that you were replying to specific people. It was hard to see that on the phone app- this is the first time that i’ve visited the website on a PC….

      However:

      1. You speak in generalisations e.g. about the harassment of unnamed European women by unnamed foreigners in the streets of unnamed European cities with multicultural populations. This level of generalisation just suggests ignorance and prejudice. I live in a very multicultural European city with a large immigrant population- lots of people from both North and Sub-Saharan Africa in particular. I do not recognise the picture that you paint. I see that people of different back grounds have similar lives and concerns. They’re rushing to the creche or to work and they’re doing their shopping. Where is your evidence for such broad statements?

      2. Your Goldman Sachs theory is a bit bizarre. The current economic order suits corporations perfectly. They require cheap labour in certain countries to produce cheap products and they require wealthy markets in which to sell these products at inflated prices. Your theory suits you very well however because it removes your (and my) personal responsibility for the consequences of our actions. That is, in buying products that are unfairly traded we condemn workers and their families to live in poor conditions, with little access to education or health services. This responsibility is current. If you would like to find out more about these practices or about how aid from rich countries only amounts to a fraction of the wealth that is taken from poor countries, I suggest that you should start with a Junior Cert geography textbook.

      3. Re. OZ, you have some factual errors. You do not necessarily need a job before you go there, you don’t have to be under ’30 or 35′ and you do not need to have money- you need a bank statement that says you have money. There’s been many an emigrant had money on loan for a day, got the statement and then gave the money back! I don’t think you answered my question by the way- would you advocate the deportation of all illegal Irish from America and OZ?

      4. Your cultural connection argument is dubious. You state that the Irish founded, designed and fought for these countries. Firstly I doubt there were too many Irish at the high levels of planning in these countries. Even if there were, it would mean that they were the perpetrators of genocide and conquest? The Irish did not found or design Australia- they were sent there as convicts. Neither did they found or design the US- they were an underclass for the WASP aristocracy for a significant period of time.

      Regarding your question about work permits- it’s not a question for me. I don’t accept that the immigration controls surrounding Fortress Europe and the thousands of deaths that they result in are just.

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    • PS Where did you get your stats on the cost of lost fisheries?

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    • Colm

      You want me to give all the details and stats about the harassment of women in Europe from Islam and non-EU immigrants straight off, my article would have been far longer, I had to deal with your initial reply first, and mention as a statement of fact, the fact of this harrassment as another illustration of my point.
      Here are the facts:
      20 refugees rape an 11-year old girl in a public bath, Husbybadet Stockholm Sweden.
      Of the 111 charged with rape in Oslo last year, 72 were of non-western ethnic origin, 25 are classified as Norwegian or western and 14 are listed as unknown.Rape charges in the capital are spiraling upwards, 40 percent higher from 1999 to 2000 and up 13 percent so far this year.
      Nine Muslim men belonging to a child-rape gang in northwestern England have received hefty prison sentences for trafficking and raping young British girls. Many more have been convicted, this is a cultural phenomenon, and is epidemic.
      This is only a sampling from 3 countries in Europe, it happens everywhere the immirgant community grows and takes over areas.
      There are now no-go areas for indigenous Europeans in Europe,
      look up the video femme de la rue sexism on the streets of brussels. This kind of sexual harrassment is commonplace in the middle-east and now in Europe where muslim communities dominate, I have seen it in Ireland in areas of Dublin, the South Circular Road in particular. They come here, they grow in number and then they turn our country into the places they came from.

      People need to be more experienced about other cultures of the world, instead of taking an inaccurate idea from education, all education and no experience is a recipe for violence toward those who are naive.

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    • Goldman Sachs.

      This is not theory. The global recession was started and caused by wall st bankers, Lehman Bros, bear Stearns, JP Morgan, all gambling and speculating with levereaged derivatives, it was these people who took high risk illegal financial transactions and cooked the books leading to massive covered up debts. One individual, Bernie Madoff, was jailed, and the rest we are bailing out for debt WE DO NOT OWE.

      As for Goldman Sachs just research the comments they made in-company about the people who invested in them, sheer comtempt they had for the ordinary person. This is their culture and this is how they operate. In a true capitalist society, these banks would have gone to the wall, and new banks would have been in operation with new people, given a chance. Yet we have to pay for their illegalities, while they still have not learned and are still now back to trading illegally. Try listening to Max Kasier on this, a former wall street trader, he will tell you that these people are banksters, nothing more than criminals. Do not be naive, the results of naivety such as this are now being paid for by the ordinary person.

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    • Re:Oz
      http://www.immi.gov.au/visitors/working-holiday/417/eligibility-first.htm

      General requirements
      You must:
      be aged between 18 and 30 years (inclusive) at the time of applying

      Financial requirements

      You must have access to sufficient funds to support yourself for the initial stage of your holiday. Generally, AUD5000 may be regarded as sufficient, but the amount may vary depending on your length of stay and the extent of your travel. You should also have a return or onward ticket or the funds for a fare to depart Australia.

      You may be asked to provide evidence. Evidence may include a certified copy of a bank statement and an air ticket out of Australia.

      You play around the point, you need to show you have means, you need to meet strict criteria, many of which would stop many immigrants into this country even being eligible.

      Deportation of Irish:
      I told you that to compare the 2 situations is not correct. The question is invalid. There should not be such a thing as illegal Irish, it is logical and just, the US and such countries were founded by Europeans. The JUST thing is that certain amount of Europeans have a right to go ancestral countries that their ancestors founded and died for. The law as it stands is not JUST. Depending on what can be sustained in terms of numbers at any given time, then a categorised system should be in place that allows in Europeans, but has to disallow others. That answers your question fully.

      Non-Europeans have no such right or entitlement to come to countries they have no ancestral or cultural tie with here in Europe or America, or any other such political entity founded by Europeans.

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    • Colm
      “I live in a very multicultural European city with a large immigrant population- lots of people from both North and Sub-Saharan Africa in particular.”

      Sounds like Paris or Brussels. And we know the problems Paris has had in the banlieux. The Gendarmes are now afraid to go into many of the suburbs and to properly police them, rape is epidemic, and they are now effectively no-go areas for the police.
      Same is true of Malmo in Sweden, now a muslim ghetto.

      As for London, all we had to do is look at the London race riots, it is official that most of those rioting were not indigenous Britons, 92% of gang rape in London is done by those of African ethnicity as given by Scotland yard stats.

      I have had friends who used to live in certain areas of London, and when they went back to have a look at where they grew up they were chased out by non-european ethnic peoples. They were lucky to escape with their lives.

      Do you live in a less selubrious area, do you mix shoulders with people who are working class and street tough? I very much doubt it.

      I think your multcult experience is about going from your house, into your car, driving to work, in the office, back in the car, back in the house, the point being, you are one of these who experiences the cuisine, never really having to get into areas where you are on your own, as a white ethnic european in a predominantly African or muslim street part of town.
      Your multicult experience, has you frequenting fashionable Thai restaurants and the latest Carribean street food fest, with your trendy fashionable middle class friends, all full of education but not an ounce of experience worth a damn. And that my friend is where your real education is awaiting you, a harsh crash into the reality of what a lot of people not monied enough to live in the more leafy areas, have to deal with, and you do not. But it is coming, you will experience what I am talking about, and I say this:
      Never ever complain or whine that you had not been warned.

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    • Colm
      You asked “PS Where did you get your stats on the cost of lost fisheries?”

      STATISTICS BLOW MYTH OF IRELAND AS EU BENEFICIARY

      - Because of fish supply, nation is second biggest indirect contributor to EU coffers
      by Tom Prendiville, Daily Ireland, Wednesday 28 March 2006

      Official European Union statistics reveal that Ireland’s past image as one of Europe’s largest financial beneficiaries is largely a myth.

      Statistics indicate that, year on year off, Ireland has consistently been one of the biggest net financial contributors to Europe as a result of fish supply.

      Official figures from the EU’s statistical gathering agency, Eurostat, reveal that Ireland is second only to Germany as an indirect contributor to EU coffers.

      Although Ireland did well in extracting almost E40 billion (£27.8 billion sterling) in transfer funds from the EU, the fish extracted from Irish territorial waters has been worth almost E200 billion (£139 billion sterling) in comparison.

      The EU fish wars have raged in Irish waters for decades, and have now left Ireland facing a massive crisis with the prospect of the extinction of many fish species.

      Statistics covering the period from 1974 to 2004 throw some light on the true cost of Ireland’s EU membership to date, and the enormous financial contribution Ireland has made to the European Community.

      Since 1974, the accumulated value of fish taken from Irish territorial waters,”the second most important in the EU”, amounts to a E200 billion (£139 billion).

      The EU fishing industry is worth almost E20 billion (£13.9 billion) per annum.

      On average, more than five million tonnes of edible fish varieties, valued at E7 billion (£4.8 billion), are fished from EU waters every year, 40 per cent of which originates from Irish waters.

      The true commercial value of the haul, according to David Cross, who compiled earlier Eurostat reports into the fishing industry, is double that again after processing has been considered.

      He said: “The value of the output of the processing industry is nearly twice the value of the catching sector. In other words, for every euro generated in fish sales another two are generated in processing.”

      The most important fishery in Europe are the seas west of Ireland, the so-called Irish Box, which produce over 40 per cent of all the edible fish consumed in Europe. In monetary terms, the seas off Ireland are worth E8 billion (£5.5 billion) a year to the EU.

      Every year, roughly two million tonnes are fished in Irish coastal waters. However, Ireland’s share of the catch is miniscule and therein lie the current difficulties. While Ireland produces 40 per cent of the edible fish, the country’s fishermen are only entitled to catch less than ten percent of
      that. The rest is fished by foreign trawlers.

      In recent weeks, the government has been involved in a showdown with Irish fishermen, some of whom have been flaunting the conservation quotas. Meanwhile, in the midst of the acrimonious dispute, ten Dutch factory ships, each one the size of Croke Park, have been hoovering up fish with apparent impunity in international waters 12 miles off the coast near Cork.

      “The situation with foreign boats is even worse, as our naval service does not even know what the quota is,” said Eamonn Ryan, Green Party spokesperson for maritime and natural resources.

      “This flawed system has allowed what is in effect the open fishing of our waters. They are hunting to extinction most of the fish stocks in Irish waters.”

      In terms of importance, the once teeming Mediterranean produces less than 500,000 tonnes of fish yearly.

      The Irish zone which extends out 200 miles into the West Atlantic is also the second most important in terms of Europe’s edible fish stocks.
      Adjusted Eurostat estimates for all fishing activity in Irish territorial waters since the mid-1970s indicate that over forty million tonnes of fish have been extracted.

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  • He got here, on the strength of his relationship with the proprietor or purely on his gifts as a talented chef ?

    I am sure deptt of work permit must approve, purely on the grounds of non availability of chefs here in the first place.

    Any other cousins in similar situation, in some other restaurant ?

    I think not.

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  • Mark
    America was first discovered by Stone Age hunters from Europe, according to new archaeological evidence.
    Across six locations on the U.S. east coast, several dozen stone tools have been found.
    After close analysis it was discovered that they were between 19,000 and 26,000 years old and were a European-style of tool.

    Professor Dennis Stanford, of the Smithsonian Institution in Washington DC, and Professor Bruce Bradley of the University of Exeter, were the two leading archaeologists who analysed the evidence.

    They have argued that Stone Age humans were able to make the 1500 mile journey across the Atlantic ice and suggested that from Western Europe, Stone Age people migrated to North America at the height of the Ice Age.

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